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Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :

When I placed the 24 hour ban on political discussions, I was assuming that the Florida Supreme Court would side with the lower courts and find insuffecient cause to overturn any results, or do something much different than they did.

The Florida Supreme Court has ordered that ballots that could not be processed by the machines be manually recounted.

Again.

Of course, the chances of counting tens of thousands of ballots by the 12th is nil.

What are your thoughts?

And please folks, let's not do personal attacks. It's just not nessecary.

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Well, it would seem that the Supreme Court is what we thought it was: Gore's lackeys.

Can't wait for the US Supreme Court to come down and spank them again.

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

I am sooooooooooooooooooo gonna avoid this topic.

Quatre.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

thank you for lifting the ban, but I agree with QW.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Igor was Dr. Frankenstein's lackey.

Igor fetched brains for Dr. Frankenstien.

The US Supreme court did not fetch brains for Gore.

Therefore the US Supreme court is not a lackey.

You will be unable to refute this.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

*L@UM*

Anyway, since, IIRC, it's a violation of federal law to change the rules of an election after the votes have been cast, this will be overturned immediately. Also, it can be challenged on constitutional grounds, in that a court is creating law. Again.

Another possible case, of which I'm not sure, is if it's possible to appeal a violation of state law, if the state SC is the one commiting the violation. Can a federal court handle such a case?

This entire thing is a PR move. There's no way to count the votes in time. The Gore camp is just trying to create what looks like a legitimate count (BTW, it isn't) to make it look like Gore actually won, and thus undermine the Bush presidency.

I have yet to make a dent in their seventy page decision. I'll return with further comments when I've finished.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

The state Supreme Court is the final arbitor of state law. I.E. interpreting Florida state law stops at the Florida Court.

However, tf the appellate can make a case that there is a federal law overriding a given state law or a Constitutional reason then the US Court can get involved.

Intresting thought though...if this is a Florida decision or a decision on Florida law, then all the conservative state's rights folks should be very careful about seeking redress in the federal system.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I think it's clear by this point that such issues aren't very important, with Gore's camp suddenly holding up the state as a supreme arbiter and Bush's running to the Federal courts. I really doubt that will change anything re: their overarching political philosophies, though.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

You'll notice that the FL SC decision was 4-3, meaning even THEY were divided on the idea. And from what I heard, the senior judge (who voted with the minority) wrote a very-well-written dissent.

Personally, I think this whole thing is another last-minute attempt to steal the election. The votes have been tabulated.. what, FOUR times, now?

The laws set up to limit recounts were created to keep just these sorts of things from happening.

Remember, during all the previous recounts, ballots were scrutinized, poked, prodded, bent, folded, packed, re-packed, ... and possibly punctured. Which means there were ample opportunities for sympathizers to... create... new Gore votes.

Then there's this whole nonsense about determining 'voter intent' on ballots which had holes for minor candidates, but not for president. What crap. No holes poked is a vote for "None of the Above," if anything. A vote for Buchanan is a vote for Buchanan, even IF the voter was so drunk/stoned he/she picked the wrong hole. That's his/her tough luck. Gore should grow up and accept that.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I hate politics.

Re: Omega's Earlier Question

I hate it when you expect me to reply in a thread I said I wouldn't type in anymore, Omega ...

Disclaimer: This is not meant to be a political attack

It was James Polk (not certain, but fairly sure), was the last president to win the Electoral College but not the Popular. He was known as "His Fraudulancy" and didn't get much done. George W. Bush was won the Electoral but not the Popular, therefore ...

George W. is the legal president. Doesn't mean he won't be known as "His Fraudulency", however.

If Al Gore does somehow get in, I'm sure he'll be called "His Fraudulency" as well, except for different reasons.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

"It was James Polk (not certain, but fairly sure), was the last president to win the Electoral College but not the Popular. He was known as 'His Fraudulancy' and didn't get much done."

James K. Polk did win the popular vote, actually. While I'm at it, please see this page...he was one of the better presidents, by far.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Whooops!

My bad! Rutherford Birchard Hayes, 19th President of the U.S. of A.

Won 4,036,572 popular votes. His opponent, Sam Tilden, won 4,284,020 ... but Hayes won 185 electoral to Tilden's 184 ...

Don't know why I thought it was Polk ...

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Actually, i'm not surprised at all any of this is happening. It goes to show you that we are LONG overdue to seriously start re-thinking how we elect people to the presidency in this country.

Quatre.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

None of this would be happening if Gore and the FL Supreme Court were respecting that system. The only reason this has all taken place is because the FL court saw fit to rewrite the law, thus displaying their contempt for it, and for the constitution they were sworn to defend. The problem lies not in the rules. The problem lies in those that ignore them.

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Uh-huh. What-ever.............

Quatre.

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Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :

I'd say what I'd normally say, but it'd just piss off certain people.

Needless to say, I don't agree with Omega.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Linnell would so lay the smackdown on you for that claim, Frank.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Charles, you said that wonderfully. I concur.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

I am going to be political about this, I am going to agree with everybody.... and nobody

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Ah, the battle cry of the moderate.

"Give me liberty, or give me... whatever would be mutually acceptable and agreeable under a bipartisan plan."

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I like moderates.

They'll actually listen to an argument, unlike the rest of us who remain firmly entrenched on one side of the issue or the other, and refuse to bend.

Of course, if Jean-Luc Picard was a moderate:

"The line must be drawn -- here! This far, no farther! Okay, we'll draw it here ... no, how about here? Look, we'll draw it here, and here it stays!"

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Well, it's more the fault of the Florida legislature because it's within their perview to have a statewide single voting system and they haven't one.

So, lay fault where it belongs and not with people seeking redress with court system.

And by the way, when one speaks of a supreme court it should be Court.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I think we should give Florida to Cuba ...

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

You mean SOUTHERN Florida, Jeff. As in Miami and everything else south.

Quatre.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I'll let you draw the new maps, Quatre

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

I'll take everything from Pensacola to...Ft. Walton Beach/Navarre Beach. Oh and I forgot. I'll take the Florida Space Coast. Which part do you want?

And if you don't want a piece of Florida, well either give it to Cuba or sink the rest.

Quatre.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Just give me a city where a lot of college girls like to party for spring break. I'll be quite happy

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Allright, fine. *hands you the keys to Ft. Lauderdale and Orlando*

Wait - is this constitutional? *L*

Quatre.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I'm sure the Founding Fathers wouldn't mind. Hey, Georgie, you and Tommy want those cute twins over there?

Yeah, they says it fine as long as I throw in a case of Sam Adams.

Now Sammy boy is mad -- guess he doesn't realize he has a beer named after him ... ::sheeesh!::

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

You can't get rid of Florida.

Florida is the index finger of the United States. It points out towards the horizon, the future. It calls us towards our destinies. It points out the foolish and the weak for us to laugh at, and in doing so manage to forget for a time our own woeful inadequacies.

Florida is the throbbing member of North America. It plunges into the sea and inseminates the entire world with our culture and our films starring Will Smith.

Florida is a land of swamps and alligators and Disney. A land where age sits, rubbing its arms and complaining about the weather, the government, the kids these days and their spandex and peer to peer file sharing systems. A land where golf is played, and rockets launched, where lives begin and end.

We are all going to Florida, someday. Our future is waiting.

Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

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It plunges into the sea and inseminates the entire world with our culture

I will always think of Florida in a new way from now on. Thank you Sol.

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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

LMFAO

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I love it!

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

I don't know weither or not to be insulted by that, Sol.

Quatre.

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