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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Yet another school shooting. This one's credited as being "accidental". Yeah, right. As accidental as showing the toilet your ass and then shitting down it.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20010103_2761.html

Yeah, your guys' guns and gun systems are just so good. I can hardly contain my eagerness to move there.

I can't believe it's only the 3rd, and this is the first shooting. Wasn't there like 6 this time last year? You guys are getting sloppy. You need to keep up your prestegious record.

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Oh wow, its the first shooting that the media decides to report. Thing is, school shootings happen almost daily. Just any inner-city student. Why don't we ever hear about those?

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Okay, so there's many shootings a day. It still sucks on you.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Actually, this sort of thing is rare in "inner city" schools, largely because they take extreme measures to prevent them.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

It was an accident, a stupid one but that's what happens people parents don't supervise and teach better, and even then it still happens.
Want to make something of people owning a weapon? It's only the oldest right in the free world. After the right to freedom of course.

People who own guns get all this shit from those who don't, and pretend they actually know something about it.

I don't own a gun, and I'm not advocating anything, but stating this bullshit attitude that guns are bad because this happens is like saying sex is bad because women get preganant by accident sometimes. It's their own fault 9 times out of 10.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"Want to make something of people owning a weapon? It's only the oldest right in the free world. After the right to freedom of course."

I'm sorry, but WHAT?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

You know, many many years ago, rocks were the only weapons around. But I don't think that's what you're talking about, is it?

Actually, even in the US, most people didn't own weapons until AFTER the Civil War, it's a popular myth that everyone had a flintlock in the closet before hand.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Then where, praytell, did our army to kick Brittan's butt come from?

There was a facinating discussion on local talk radio sometime last week. Guy named Phil Valentine was reading off various newspaper articles from around the country, during a discussion of the whacko in MA. Apparently, on the same day that seven people died (in a situation that could have been avoided completely by one of the other workers having a gun), at least twelve people were reported by major papers as having their lives SAVED by private citizens with a gun. And that's just in a quick-n-dirty search of major cities. The media only report the bad stuff that happens.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Actually JK there is a certin yes and no about that statement.

Those who did or did not own firearms can be divided...pre-Civil War at least...into those who lived in cities and those who lived in more unsettled communities or in frontier areas.

In either of the later cases, owning a firearm, perhaps one or two per family and not with the current prevalence, was almost a necessity.

Cost precluded all members, or at the very least all male members, of a large family from owning individual firearms...I should imagine that shotguns would have been the most prevalent...and would have been used for hunting or whatever forms of protection from natives that was necessitated by stealing, er, settling land away from the East Coast of the United States.

Living in a large eastern city required a lesser need for an individual firearm. Although again, there may have been that famiy musket hanging about, then again clerking in New York or Charleston offered a lower chance of Indian attack.

But now because of the lowered cost of firearms and because we are no longer limited more to the longarm of the Civil War and pre-Civil War era...it seems that everyone owns a weapon and some of us take our pistols to class to show our friends.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Then where, praytell, did our army to kick Brittan's butt come from?

Fraance. Don't you EVER read history? Or a spelling book?

Just because our citizen-soldiers were armed doesn't mean they were armed with their own weapons. The British under General Gage were marching to sieze a rebel store of guns and powder when the first shots were fired ... you know, the 'shot heard round the world.' Anyway, if everybody had their own rifle, why would the rebels need to store a bunch in one place? Answer: lots of people DIDN'T have their own rifles!

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"Then where, praytell, did our army to kick Brittan's butt come from?"

Hnnnnggg.

Anyone remember a conversation that went like this?

Omega: Ad HOMINEM, you lingually challenged twit. It's spelled H-O-M-I-N-E-M. You could at least do yourself the favor of seeing how the word is spelled by looking at the times First and I have used it. Maybe you could even look it up.

Liam (that's me, duh): Great BRITAIN, you lingually challenged twit. It's spelled B-R-I-T-A-I-N. You could at least do yourself the favour of seeing how the word is spelled by looking at the times I and everyone else have used it. Maybe you could even look it up.

Omega: When did I say I was a superior speller? I simply stated that your spelling was incorrect, and has been for the couple dozen times you've used the word. And that's even after you'd been corrected by Rob. If you REALLY want to compair to me, then look up how many times I misspelled "Britain" after I was told it was wrong.

*cough*
I've counted one mispelling out of one so far. That gives you a 100% error rate. So I say to you, nyah! (Oh, and "compare".)

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

*opens one eye*

Somewhere in the deep recesses of the reptilian area of that mind of yours, there HAS to be a glimmering around the concept of "a running joke."

Britain. I mean, doesn't he ALWAYS misspell it?
(I may start to, just to annoy you and poke fun at any brutish -- er, british -- claims of non-nationalism.)

Or does he perhaps frequently double strike the T, similar to the manner in which those of us who are fast hunt-and-poke typers frequently type "teh" for "the?"

In any case, your point is irrelevant, moot, and unworthy.

The guy who shot 7 people? He didn't legally possess ANY of those guns. He had no permits. Check in to how he got the guns. Destroy those responsible. THAT will serve justice.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

OH, and how the **** does ANYBODY "sneak" an "assault rifle" into their place of business? I mean, he was there two hours before he shot anybody.. Didn't anybody see anything? Rifles are BIG!! Lee Harvey Oswald's "curtain rods" excuse isn't really acceptable in this day and age...

Inside help?

Questions on the new school incident:

1 Did the kid get the gun legally? I doubt it, it's already illegal for 15 year olds to own handguns. It's also illegal to concealed carry them without a permit (and he HAD to have had it concealed, or he'd have never gotten in the door), or to bring them on to school grounds, usually even if you HAVE a permit.

2 What kind of parents did this kid have, (IF it was THEIR gun) who weren't smart enough to teach him about safe gun use? Or to simply keep him away from it?

3 What kind of kid is this that he's this stupid / ignorant / inconsiderate / disrespectful to laws and civilized behavior?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Well, I could probably smuggle a rifle under a long coat. Did it have a collapsible stock? That would help a lot.

As for the kid ... you know, teenagers don't neccessarily understand a lot of stuff. They're at that stage where they're immortal (well, they think they are) and they can do anything they want and not feel the consequences. It's not so much disrespect, as it is just not fully knowing what they're doing.

I'm reminded of a case where a 2nd grader was expelled for bringing a gun to school. In his case, his father was a cop and over the weekend had borrowed his son's bookbag to take his gun somewhere. He forgot it was still in the bookbag, and his son packed up the bookbag and went to school. The kid found the gun during class and took it to the teacher, who called the office, who called the police, etcetra. Anyway, hopefully more info on this will come out, but I think the kid's parents are going to be in a LOT of hot-water ... the kid who got shot can probably sue if the gun belonged to the parents.

This is why trigger-locks are a good idea. Sorry for beating a dead horse, but ...

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Damn you JeffKarrde! You've ruined the best post of the day, which would have been:

"Then where, praytell, did our army to kick Brittan's butt come from?"

Fraance.

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Wait, you're telling me that he thought that a bunch of farmers organised themselves into an army and beat the British forces. UH huh.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Well, they did! Not alone, of course...

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

The Freench helped

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

France didn't show up until after Mel Gibson had fought with the British for several years, though.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

The Freench did have Patricc Steeart though.

Fortunatly for us, we had Keevin Coosner to supply a convincing Brittish stiffff upppppppper lipppp.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Nooo, nooo, Keevin Cossner's been in no Revolutionary War films. Unless you count the "Poostman" ...

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

It's always so much fun to see people mock Oomega... :-)

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Sorry. I meant ot add "and he wore greeeen tighhttss too".

Except he didn't. Bryan sung a bit though. And he also spells his name wrong. So there is connection.

You know, we really make it easy for him. Knowing that some people have trouble with Britain, we go and get Ireland to join us, so that you can have the easy abbreviation of "UK". And yet he goes and ignores our generosity.

Tsk. Damn USSA.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

United Socialist States of Amerika

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