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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

...or not.

Where conspiracies never die

George W.'s Missing Year

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The initial page I examined is a chronological listing of Bush's service record. This document charts active duty days served from the time of his enlistment. His first year, a period of extensive training, young Bush is credited with serving 226 days. In his second year in the Guard, Bush is shown to have logged a total of 313 days. After Bush got his wings in June 1970 until May 1971, he is credited with a total of 46 days of active duty. From May 1971 to May 1972, he logged 22 days of active duty.
Then something happened. From May 1, 1972 until April 30, 1973 -- a period of twelve months -- there are no days shown, though Bush should have logged at least thirty-six days service (a weekend per month in addition to two weeks at camp).
I found out that for the first four months of this time period, when Bush was working on the U..S Senate campaign of Winton Blount in Alabama, that he did not have orders to be at any unit anywhere.

AND

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As an "obligated reservist," Bush was ineligible to serve his time in what amounted to a paper unit with few responsibilities. As the unit's leader, Lieutenant Colonel Bricken recently explained to the Boston Globe, "We met just one weeknight a month. We were only a postal unit. We had no airplanes. We had no pilots. We had no nothing."

Double U working to keep Charlie out of Texas and Alabama must have been a sight...at least when he showed up.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I'm not sure I see the point. Clinton hid in England during the Vietnam War. Gore was just a reporter, and wasn't that after her ran away to Canada and got dragged back by his parents?

If they kept themselves alive, more power to 'em. Hooray for draft dodging! And that's not sarcasm. :-)

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

The only point that I want to make is that that Herr Double U isn't all that he has painted himself to be.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

As if any others were.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Well, when the Republican Party slams Bill Clinton for dodging draft, and brushes over Dubya's playing hookey, it kinds of hypocritical.

I don't really have a problem with Dubya playing "hookey" like this. Just as I don't have a problem with Bill Clinton protesting the war and dodging the draft.

Okay, maybe I do have a bit of a problem with Dubya wasting the tax payer's dollars by skipping out on his time obligated after being taught to fly fighters, but it's not a real big thing. I think he should've been honest about what he was doing, and not using it as a shield to hide from not actually serving in Vietnam, but it's really a non-issue ...

And it essentially means we've got two draft-dodgers in a row in office.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Well, given Gore's history, (Canada, then cushy photog's job) we pretty much would have had that in any case.

Unless we'd all voted for Dole back in '96.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I've no problem w/ that. If they ever reinstate the draft, the Canadians can expect me to make a prolonged visit to their fine nation... :-)

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Yes. The land of the free. Where you MUST serve.

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Yup.

And if you object, they'll come and throw your ass in jail.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Depends on who your daddy is.

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

So I guess from what I'm hearing...or not hearing...Double U's actions are indefensible.

Hmm.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I just think now the Republicans look kinda foolish harping on Clinton's actions during Vietnam during the time period ... so, hey, that's always good enough for me

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

It's okay. Looks like we'll get Clinton on the Rich pardon anyway.

Didja hear they say Jessie J.'s got another love child? And another report is coming out about a THIRD woman?

No wonder Rainbow/PUSH took in 12 million, but only spent 47 thousand on education.

Jesse should have taken his own advice (and poor english skills): "stay out the bushes!"

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

From what I understand -- and I'm not defending anything here, just what I heard on CNN -- is that the evidence that could be used to prove that Rich paid Clinton to pardon him is largely circumstancial, and while it can be proven, it's extremely difficult (if not impossible) to prove.

So pretty much, Billy-boy just handed the Republicans another thing to bad-mouth him about while also keeping himself clear of any legal actions regarding the matter.

At least, according to CNN.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Have you ever noted the way Clinton talks his way around certain questions? Especially lately?

Very often, when accused of wrongdoing, he says:
"I don't believe there's any evidence of that."
"I don't think they'll find any evidence of wrongdoing"
"There's no evidence that I did anything wrong."

rather than "I didn't do anything wrong" or "I didn't do this." or even "I deny this."

Ever wonder why?

Certain semanticists I know seem to believe that what's going on here is a subtle turn of phrase: Clinton isn't SAYING he didn't DO it, he's just saying they won't find EVIDENCE that he did it, and covering himself against a lying charge just in case they do.

Crafty lawyerspeak, no?

Of course, this may show simply that he's learned since "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" to be a bit more circumspect.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

Yup, Double U's actions are bad so let's go after someone else we don't care for like Jesse Jackson.

Doule U's defense of Alabama against the Varment Cong includes not showing up so he can play politics, so what is our plan to defend his actions? Attack Clinton, our favorite person to hate.

Interesting.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Nope, just giving examples that all politicians are pretty much alike.. except that the Democrats are worse.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

It's funny though. A thread about UU's actions turns into a thread about how Clinton's base should be belong to no one.

But when a thread about someone else turns into a, say, Rush Limbaugh = bad thread, all of our current Mr. Righties endager their fingers by typing "Why must you liberals always bring up Limbaugh? He's irrelevant!" much too fast.

This is why American Politics should be set up you the bomb.

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Irony ensues.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Limbaugh isn't a politician, he's a pundit. And I find both Jim Quinn and Bill O'Reilly more enjoyable, anyway. (O'Reilly tore into a conservative guy last night about hate-crimes laws, because he -the guy, not O'Reilly- opposed them strictly on some religious grounds, rather than with real reasons. Tore the guy apart, it was great.)

Clinton, Gore, Jackson, Bush, et al. ARE politicians, however, and are therefore in the same target zone.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

And oddly enough they are not the same person.

Who here wants to defend Double U's individual alleged dereliction of duty?

Anyone?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

The thing that kinda bothers me is that he had strings pulled to get him into the National Guard so he didn't have to go to Vietnam, then didn't even show up for the National Guard!

And people bitch about Clinton's war-record.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Something about "the mote in my eye vs. the log in your own" would be appropriate right about now...

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Personally, I'd be interested to know if there were any other units like his that did no work, and who was in them. I like running down all possibilities.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Omega,

It's not that his unit didn't have any tasks to do. It's that he didn't show up at all.

Gen. William Turnispeed (CO of the Alabama unit) said "had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not. I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."

Col. Albert Lloyd, a member of the Texas Air National Guard (and Bush supporter) says there are no records showing Bush served in Alabama. "If he did, his drill attendance should have been certiefied and sent to Ellington, and there would have been a record. We cannot find the records to show he fulfilled the requirements in Alabama."

Even the claim that Bush made the time up after returning to his old post at Ellington, Texas, was refuted by that unit's former XO.

Bush's service in Texas isn't in question. Flight training is very dangerous, and he did his job. Then he vanished when on the campaign trail in Alabama.

"Back in the Second World War, a little private from Detroit didn't show up for duty. His father was not a powerful congressman, and his grandfather had not been a senator. His family did not have a majestic mansion on the surf-pounded cliffs on Kennebunkport. Private Eddie Slovik deserted. And Eddie Slovik was shot by a firing squad." - Paul Begala

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

So, as long as other people may have been derelict in their duty too that makes it ok.

Right.

Still turns out the Double U is derelict. Good for him.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

I like that General's quote...
He wasn't there because a guy who happened to be from the same state didn't remember him?

Yeah. *snort*

I went out to Philmont Scout Ranch in 1987, and I went on a 50 mile-hike with a group of other scouts from all over the country. TWO, who I associated with, happened to be from Pennsylvania. Now, I have a pretty good memory, but I couldn't remember their names or what they looked like if you offered me a million dollars. So how can this guy, with an even greater span of time to forget?

But it's true, at least Al DID Go to Nam, as the following actual picture of him there illustrates: http://www.warroom.com/goreinnam.htm

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

No, First, he wasn't there because there is no record ANYWHERE that says he was there. Gen. Turnispeed -- and his admin officer, Kenneth Lott, who also doesn't remember Bush -- merely serves to back up the facts. So does Col. Albert Lloyd, of the Texas Air Guard, who campaigned for Bush, says the records show Bush didn't serve.

The only person that anyone (including the Bush campaign) could find who said that Bush was serving at the Alabama National Guard unit was a girl he was seeing socially at the time. 'Course, if girlfriends are now proof of military service, Bill Clinton should get the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Bush didn't fulfill his commitment. No one remembers him serving in Alabama. There is no record (anywhere!) that he served in Alabama.

Nice pic of Gore. Hey, that M-16 is missing a clip! But, at least he was over there, in harm's way instead of getting poppy to pull strings to get out of it. Besides, did Gore run for "Office of Gun Safety Instructor?" No. How is that relevent, anyway? Misdirection!

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Misdirection? Hardly. It's just funny.

However, I believe that people who want to pass laws regarding weapons should at least me slightly knowledgeable in their use. That would include NOT getting into a position wherein the barrel of a dangerous weapon is pointed at one's cranium by oneself. (Yes, it's missing its clip. Doesn't matter. An educated person could tell you that many wepons are capable of holding a bullet ready in the barrel - a fact which is one of the main causes

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Something is wrong with the edit function.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Dang double posts...

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Thanks, First, but I read that the FIRST time ...

Cross-examination!

Is it not true that this photo was taken before Al Gore ran for any public office?

Isn't it possible -- very possible, in fact -- that he was reamed a "new one" by a more knowledegeable colleague, and in fact, is rather eductated in gun safety?

Is it possible this photo was taken at boot camp and NOT in Vietnam, thus, perhaps, his fist time being educated about the M-16?

Certainly, I don't see why a reporter would need to carry an M-16, although he would certainly be taught about it at boot camp.

But I digress. What does this have to do with Bush not fulfilling his time in the National Air Guard? I think he should go fly one of those F/A-18's on the next bombing mission into Iraq to make up for it.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

See? Liberals only have a sense of humor when they're telling Bush jokes.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

And Democrats never have a sense of humour.

*prepares handbag*

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Hey, I laughed at your Hillary clock joke, didn't I? I actually got some laughs when I told it at a party the other night.

BTW: First, you gotta go edit your post above (the one remaining of your triple post). You're missing your ending.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

"I think he should go fly one of those F/A-18's on the next bombing mission into Iraq to make up for it."

Yeah, that movie was great. Especially when that Randy Quaid was all like "Up Yours!", and blew up the bad guys, and then they all cheered and clapped, right in front of that dude's son.

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Irony ensues.

Free Jeff K

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Well, I'D have done it.

I dunno. seemed like last time I tried to edit the dang thing, it created two more posts. I'm leaving it alone.