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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jubilicious</b> <br /><small>Member # 99</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,16,11,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 16, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Read. Discuss.<p>From: Traditional Values Coalition<br /><tvcnews@traditionalvalues.org><br />Reply-To: Traditional Values Coalition<br /><tvcnews@traditionalvalues.org><br />Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:10:46 -0500<p>Subject: Is Harry Potter A Harmless Fantasy Or Wicca<br />Training Program?<p>Traditional Values Coalition<br />Opinion Editorial<br />For publication on or after<br />Wednesday, August 15, 2001<p>Is Harry Potter A Harmless Fantasy<br />Or Wicca Training Program?<p>Rev. Louis P. Sheldon<br />Chairman, Traditional Values Coalition<br />Washington, DC - The popular "Harry Potter" series by<br />J.K. Rowling has sold 100 million copies worldwide and<br />this November, Warner Brothers is releasing "Harry<br />Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone."<p>With a lot less fanfare and a significantly smaller<br />budget, California-based Jeremiah Films<br />(jeremiahfilms.com) has just released a documentary on<br />Harry Potter: "Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged."<br />The video, narrated by author Robert S. McGee, and<br />occult researcher Caryl Matrisciana, takes the viewer<br />on grim journey into the world of witchcraft, goddess<br />worship, and occult symbolism-all messages conveyed in<br />the Harry Potter books. <p>Christians are rightly concerned about the spiritual<br />messages being conveyed through the Harry Potter<br />books. Wicca or witchcraft is clearly condemned in<br />both the Old and New Testaments as an abomination to<br />God. Practitioners of Wicca worship mythical<br />goddesses, including the goddess "Gaia" (the earth),<br />and incorporate radical feminism and homosexuality<br />into their practices.<p>According to feminists Monica Sjoo and Barbara Mor, in<br />"The Great Cosmic Mother," "The original witch was<br />undoubtedly black, bisexual, a warrior."<p>Daniel Spencer, a professor of philosophy and religion<br />is author of "Gay and Gaia: Ethics, Ecology, and the<br />Erotic." Spencer argues that homosexuality and earth<br />worship must be synthesized to create a new<br />eco-homoerotic moral ethic to rule the world. He also<br />condemns Christianity as an oppressive religious<br />system and a threat to this new world religion. As<br />theologian Dr. Peter Jones has written in his book,<br />"Spirit Wars: Pagan Revival in Christian America"<br />(spirit-wars.com): "While not all homosexuals are<br />overtly anti-Christian-indeed some claim to be<br />Christian-one may not underestimate the role of<br />homosexual theory in the normalization of paganism in<br />the Christian West."<p>In addition to worshipping the earth and advocating<br />homosexuality, witches also believe in abortion as a<br />sacred act. "The Sacrament of Abortion," by Ginette<br />Paris applauds the goddess Artemis for justifying the<br />taking of human life.<p>While the themes in Harry Potter's books do not<br />expressly advocate homosexuality or abortion, these<br />are philosophical beliefs deeply embedded in Wicca.<br />The child who is seduced into a Wicca through Harry<br />Potter's books will eventually be introduced to these<br />other concepts.<p>Regrettably, corporate America has now joined the<br />Harry Potter juggernaut. Companies like Sears and Coca<br />Cola are providing the Harry Potter movie and<br />marketing empire with millions in advertising revenue<br />and spin off products. Christian customers should make<br />their displeasure known to these companies.<p>Both Christian and non-Christian parents would be<br />well-advised to take a long, hard look at the Harry<br />Potter series before allowing their children to<br />read them. Two good starting points would be: "Harry<br />Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged," and Dr. Jones' "Spirit<br />Wars." Parents and pastors should be deeply concerned<br />about Harry Potter's influence over children by<br />introducing them to a pagan religious system that<br />promotes abortion, homosexuality, and earth worship.<p>Churchgoers should encourage their pastors to show<br />"Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged" to their<br />congregations. And if a pastor discounts the danger of<br />Harry Potter to his flock and refuses to show the<br />video, attendees may want to prayerfully consider<br />finding a church that is more serious about spiritual<br />warfare.<p>-30-<p>Traditional Values Coalition is an<br />inter-denominational public policy organization<br />comprising over 43,000 member churches. For more<br />information call Steve Aiken at (202) 547-8570. TVC,<br />139 C Street, SE, Washington, DC 20003. Web address: <a href="http://www.traditionalvalues.org." target="_blank">www.traditionalvalues.org.</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,16,11,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 16, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Idiots.<p>Bring back the Lions. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>My Publically Displayed Name</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,16,11,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 16, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>He also<br />condemns Christianity as an oppressive religious<br />system and a threat to this new world religion.<hr></blockquote><p>Hear hear.<p>Don't like the books? Don't read them. Tough luck. Find something more important to waste your preaching time with. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nimrod</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,16,11,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 16, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:39 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "Practitioners of Wicca worship mythical goddesses, including the goddess "Gaia" (the earth), and incorporate radical feminism and homosexuality into their practices."<p>Oh yeah? Every one of them? Huh.<br />Not...*cough* generalizing, are we?<p>A guy I know is freechurch and has two children that IIRC read Harry Potter. My entire grasp of reality is crumbling as we speak.<br />Oh yes, indeed. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,16,14,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 16, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Y'know, I've READ "Harry Potter" (something I highly doubt that any of those idiots have even tried.) <p>It has about as much connection to Wicca as basketball has to fishing.<p>These lunatics must be REALLY insecure in their faith, to shout so loudly about so little. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,0,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:53 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'd be interested to see a group condemn Rowling's books for their blatant support of Christianity.<p><blockquote>"Practitioners of Wicca worship mythical<br />goddesses..."</blockquote><p>While Christians worship a mythical god. I fail to see the difference... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>targetemployee</b> <br /><small>Member # 217</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,1,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:35 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I believe very strongly that using the Bible as a source material for beliefs is a very slippery slope. There needs to be at least an iota of intelligence and reasoning when reading these ancient books. I fear that many of the members of the Traditional Values Coalition lack that iota. They should be searching for that iota and placing it back into their brains. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vogon Poet</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,7,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:13 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>While the themes in Harry Potter's books do not expressly advocate homosexuality or abortion, these are philosophical beliefs deeply embedded in Wicca. The child who is seduced into a Wicca through Harry Potter's books will eventually be introduced to these other concepts.<hr></blockquote><p>I'll see your "idiots," Firsty, and raise you a "what the fuck?" 8) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,7,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:31 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And what they're REALLY saying here, whether they know it or not, to all their members is:<p>"You and your children are very very stupid and gullible. You are all so stupid that you will take any work of fiction and apply it as fact. You are so stupid that you cannot tell fantasy from reality. You are so stupid that you are incapable of using reason to tell a bad idea from a good idea. You are easily led, and will follow blindly anything that anybody tells you. Therefore, we must protect you from your own stupidity for your own good, and tell you what you are allowed to read and know and think."<p>(Which, when it comes to the followers of this particular organization, may not be all THAT far from the truth.) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>My Publically Displayed Name</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,9,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>You are easily led, and will follow blindly anything that anybody tells you.<hr></blockquote><p>Ah, the irony... this happens to be the <b>exact</b> same character weakness christianity exploits as well!<p>[ August 17, 2001: Message edited by: My Publically Displayed Name ]</p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MeGotBeer</b> <br /><small>Member # 411</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,9,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>You are all so stupid that you will take any work of fiction and apply it as fact.<hr></blockquote> <p>Sounds like some Star Trek fans I know. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vogon Poet</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,9,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:38 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Handbags! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael_T</b> <br /><small>Member # 144</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,10,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:28 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It could be worse...the group could be screaming and yelling about the way Star Trek fans are and the message the franchise is sending to young and old alike. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Tahna Los</b> <br /><small>Member # 33</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,10,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes, about how Star Trek teaches the forbidden science of Evolution.<p>Sorry, Omega, but this HAS to be said. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,13,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:26 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Star Trek contains a LOT of things that would be seen as evil to these people... if any of them watched it, which I doubt.<p>Evolution.<br />Racial equality.<br />Tolerance.<br />Other religions/spirituality.<br />Artificial life.<br />Extraterrestrial life.<br />Sexual tolerance (the Jnaii episode, especially).<br />The idea that Gods might be simply aliens.<br />The Idea that Gods might be unnecessary. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Stingray</b> <br /><small>Member # 621</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,17,20,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 17, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:15 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Funny thing is, A LOT of religious people, especially priests enjoy Star Trek immensely. I just don't see how people can gloss of these punch in the face super contradictions in their beliefs and observations and actually think (for lack of a better word) that everything gels together without problem. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,7,18,6,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:20 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, people who believe in the metaphorical and spiritual and loving 'spirit' of Christianity tend to have a better time dealing with such things as Harry Potter and Star Trek than those poor folks who insist on taking every word of both testaments as literal and mandatory.<p>Except Omega, who is just living a contradiction. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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