It's only "cruel and unusual" because they're "unusual and retarded."
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
It's good to know someone is still his usual charming self.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Well, this is good for the actually retarded, at least.
Just so long as "Me retarded" doesn't become the new "twinkie" defense.
Posted by DeadCujo (Member # 13) on :
Even a retard isn't necessarily beyond comprehending what murder is.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i think that being retarded should be a mitigating factor, but only if it can be shown that the individual is so under normal that they cannot understand what it was they did and why it was wrong. in other words, i think it should be approached in the same way that mental illness is approached.
Posted by The BWC (Member # 818) on :
I think that the death penalty should be carried out on any individual if it is serious enough, like putting a bomb in a building or other crimes of that level. Except for that, I agreee with EdipisReks.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: being retarded should be a mitigating factor...it should be approached in the same way that mental illness is approached
Maybe I'm missing something here...
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Yes, the space there, on the left side of the right... It then all equals out in the beginning....
retardation and a mental illness are different... like losing ones mind, which is a terrible thing to have..... as opposed to not having had said mind from the beginning.... and not being able to learn that you did not have said mind at any point in time....
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
what's not to understand? for those who are mentally ill, it generally goes like this: if you are crazy, but sane enough that you understand what you did and can tell between right and wrong, you can stand trial and get whatever punishment deemed correct by the court if you are convicted. if you are so crazy you don't know what the fuck you did and you don't understand right and wrong then you go to a mental institution.
i think that if you are retarded but are smart enough to understand what you did, and you understand right and wrong, then you should be elligible for the death penalty if there is a death penalty in your state. if you are so retarded that you don't understand what you did, and you don't know right from wrong, then you shouldn't be elligible for the death penalty. got it straight, now? mental retardation has degrees just as mental illness has degrees. a blanket statement that ALL people who are mentally retarded, regardless of the degree of that mental retardation, should be spared makes no more sense than saying that ALL people who are mentally ill, to any degree, should not be responsible for their crime.
quote:The BWC: Except for that, I agreee with EdipisReks.
NOOOOOOOOOO!i must change my opinion, and fast!
quote:Ritten: Yes, the space there, on the left side of the right... It then all equals out in the beginning....
retardation and a mental illness are different... like losing ones mind, which is a terrible thing to have..... as opposed to not having had said mind from the beginning.... and not being able to learn that you did not have said mind at any point in time....
dude, i don't think you are going to have to worry about being executed.
[ June 20, 2002, 20:18: Message edited by: EdipisReks ]
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh, my point is that retardation = illness, and a distinction between the two seems weird and unuseful.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Not entirely.
Retardation is something you're born with. You're born with downs syndrome or not. People can develop mental illnesses as a result of stress, or life. Multiple personality disorder, for example, is not something I believe you're born with -- you gotta go through a lot of shit to develop it.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
mental retardation IS NOT an illness. an illness is something that changes someones normal state biologically in a detrimental way. if someone was born mentally retarded then being mentally retarded is their normal state. mental retardation is no different than above normal intelligence, they are just opposite sides of the coin. i doubt many people would call genius an illness.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The way the terms are being used here, mental illness == instability, mental retardation == sub-par intelligence. That's he simplest explanation I can think of.
And, personally, I agree w/ this new ruling. But then, that's just because I don't think they should execute anybody, so I guess I can't contribute much.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I'm all for this, as, apparently I'll never get executed myself.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Canada has criminals?
Next you'll tell me they have a military! LOL!
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
No, we've got the mentally ill. Which are our military, but still. Sea Kings forever.
[ June 20, 2002, 21:40: Message edited by: Ultra Magnus ]
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
They're out military? What? Hoo-hah?!
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
To define "illness" in such a way that congenital diseases do not qualify strikes me as the ultimate in hairspliting..
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
a congenital disease, such as down syndrome, is clearly an illness. simple mental retardation is not a congenital disease. it's simply having a sub normal intelligence. do the gifted have a disease? afterall, their intelligence is not in the normal range. of course the gifted do not have a disease. the retarded do not have a disease if their below average intelligence is simply caused by the fact that weren't born "smart". if they are retarded because they have down syndrome then they have a congenital illness. if they are retarded because their intelligence falls on the low end of what is possible with a normally developed brain then they do not have an illness.
i don't think that the court really took into consideration the definition of the word "retarded", and i don't think that many people on this forum are either. to reiterate, if you are retarded simply because you are less smart than average but your brain and other physical attributes are healthy and normal for a human being, then you DO NOT have a disease.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh...I don't have the court documents in front of me, but I strongly doubt they're using, say, the Boston definition of "retarded." The word carries a rather stronger definition than just not-as-smart as smart people.
"Hey, Scalia, after the case let's head down to Louie's and get wicked retahded!"
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
hey, retarded simply means "lower than average" intelligence. if the court can't figure that out, then maybe they themselves fit the definition. just so you know, there are already very mildly retarded people getting ready to challenge their death penalty convictions in my state (Ohio). they are going to argue that since they are slightly retarded (ie, their IQ is less than 70), they cannot be executed due to the supreme court ruling barring the retarded from being executed. they don't have down syndrome. they weren't born with a femur in their head. they are simply of below average intelligence. looks like i know what i'm talking about, hombre. retardation=retardation, and this was a court ruling about retardation.
[ June 21, 2002, 01:43: Message edited by: EdipisReks ]
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
And I never disputed the underlying concern. But I still think your distinction is arbitrary, and that the legal definitions are likely quite precise, perhaps even overly so. Airplanes are not vehicles, for instance, in the legal definition of the term.
Posted by thoughtychops (Member # 480) on :
And of course, mental retardation can come from injury to the brain at any point in one's life. See: Regarding Henry with Han Solo as retard.
Now. I'm not sure that I agree with this ruling from the shit court. It will seem cruel to say so, but if an animal mauls a child, we put it down. If a man with a substandard intellect does so, we give him three hots and a cot, and cable tv? Why?
This ruling is saying that if I get killed by a retarded man because he wanted my Sega Genesis, it's not as bad as if he were a gang-banger and killed me because he wanted my car.
The arguement that says "Well, he didn't KNOW that what he did was bad" doesn't hold water with me. If he can't recognize that killing is bad, then he won't recognize that he's about to be put to death. Ignorance is bliss, and the punishment is not cruel and unusual.
If the killing is accidental, then none of that matters. But I don't remember the last time a man was sentenced to death for manslaughter.
Anyway.
Posted by thoughtychops (Member # 480) on :
Although I'm not going to delete the above because I don't like the idea of censuring myself: You should Take the above with a grain of salt. I'm in a bad mood.
Which is why I'll never be on the Supreme Court.
Posted by The Real Folk Blues (Member # 510) on :
quote:Airplanes are not vehicles, for instance, in the legal definition of the term
incorrect. they are still vehicles, but crimes involving damaging airplanes are simply different than those involving other vehicles due to the extent of damages possible with an airplane over, say, a razor scooter. mental retardation is, by definition, not an illness. it can be result of an illness, but it itself is not an illness. baldness is not an illness. it can be the result of an illness, but it itself is not an illness. mental illness and its treatment in the legal system is dealt with from a causality standpoint. mental retardation and its treatment in the legal system should be dealt with from a resultant standpoint. these treatments can be/(are) similar, but not the same. just as mental retardation and mental illness can be/(are) similar, but they are not the same.
what. do. you. not. un. der. stand. a. bout. that?
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
I think a person with intention to hurt someone, resulting in a manslaughter, or intention to kill, resulting in murder, should get the electric chair regardless of his/her mental state.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
But here's the problem: yes mental cases do have an awareness and even the ability to 'cure' themselves of their mental problems. However the ones who have some sort of mental diease (the brain which is not fully developed, missing parts, or even just not working properly) really have little to no hope of 'curing' their diease, unless someone comes up with a pill or a shot that can increase brain size, (might as well as for world hunger and war to stop), it'll never happen.
Most people who kill are fulyl aware that they killed someone (even a really big part of the cases where they are proclaimed mentally unstable are fully aware). People with the mental disease (again smaller brain and such) will not be fully aware of that they killed someone and that's a seriously bad thing to do.
I remember 8 years ago, I visited the home for the Mentally Challanged, two of the 'residents' got into a fight and nearly killed each other because one person was eating. The others were even choosing sides which to fight as well. When they fight, it's extremely dangerous to break them up.
To kill someone because they have a smaller brain is just like saying we should kill the handicapped because they can't walk, talk, breathe, listen, and so on.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlueElectron: I think a person with intention to hurt someone, resulting in a manslaughter, or intention to kill, resulting in murder, should get the electric chair regardless of his/her mental state.
That alone could probably cause an energy shortage. And, given the cost and time to actually reach an execution, be prepared to watch your taxes skyrocket, and the criminal justice system implode, if all manslaughter cases would be considered capital crimes.
What ever happened to rehabilitating criminals, or the notion that a convicted man has a chance to "pay his debt" to society and then rejoin it?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
BE, I'm afraid an English chap named Eric beat you to advocating the prosecution of ThoughtCrime about fifty years ago. Or possibly not.
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
Yo, I didn't say you should be prosecuted for your tought or intention, I said you should be prosecuted for your captial crime resulting from your thought or intention.
And the rehabilitation stuff, in my opinion, it's total bull. All that "he can become a better man" catch phrase is absolute unrealistic crap coming from super goody goody "Nad Flander" type liberals who can't see what's going on in the real world. Face it, a murderer can never be a productive member of our society, and he will remain as a time bomb ready to go off at any time.
I think prison system are there to PUNISHED those guilt, and death penality is there to weed out the absolute garbages of our society, it will save society a lot of money in the short run and the long run.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
To kill everyone who is mentally retarded will bring Earth's population down to 3 billion.
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
I did not say we should kill all the mentally retarded people.
I said we should fry all the guilty murderer whether he's retarded or not.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Oh, what would constitute them being absolute garbage of society? I think if you killed someone and knew you did it, you should get the chair. Mass bombings, you should be shot on the spot. But thats just me.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlueElectron: Face it, a murderer can never be a productive member of our society, and he will remain as a time bomb ready to go off at any time.
:::blinks violently::: I could quite easily murder someone & have nearly done so on several occasions. I would still define myself as a "productive member of our society."
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Matrix: I think if you killed someone and knew you did it, you should get the chair. Mass bombings, you should be shot on the spot.
Perfecto! I couldn't of said it better!
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Fuck due process! Fuck your Constitutionally-guaranteed rights!
[ June 24, 2002, 20:36: Message edited by: Snay ]
Posted by Ultimate Magnus (Member # 239) on :
quote: crap coming from super goody goody "Nad Flander" type
YES!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
No-one's flanding my nads, I can tell you that right now...
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Well, there's your problem.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
What makes all the "Political Correctness" crap is really coming from the soccer moms of America. I do not know how it works in other countries, but when someone thinks that calling a black man is wrong, and should be called a African American, or calling a Library a Media Center, then calling a librarian a Media Assistant, that's whats wrong with society. Though I have to agree that there will always be one of you, and that's what makes life so precious. But in reality, its takes too much time, effort, resources, money, and generally patience to keep scum of society alive.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:calling a black man is wrong,
So, wait, it's wrong to call a black man? That's weird, because I see a lot of black men up around here carrying cell phones around. I guess they never get called.
quote:What makes all the "Political Correctness" crap is really coming from the soccer moms of America
You mean those "fat bitch housewives"?
quote:calling a Library a Media Center, then calling a librarian a Media Assistant, that's whats wrong with society.
My "library" has, in addition to books and magazines and microfilm: DVDs, VHS and music CDs. Calling it a "media center" isn't too much of a step. But, er, is this even a PC move? I don't think so.
quote:Though I have to agree that there will always be one of you, and that's what makes life so precious.
I feel all warm and lovely!
quote:But in reality, its takes too much time, effort, resources, money, and generally patience to keep scum of society alive.
Did anyone else completely lose track of what Matrix is trying to unclearly talk about?
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Him am NOT Bizarro Coherent #1. Me love him very little.
I am a librarian. My library has many sources of information, including books, newspapers, audio, video, and electronic. These things together are called...
Wait for it...
MEDIA.
I help people use these resources. I ASSIST them.
This makes me a...
And in reality, the degree is know known as Library and Information Science, and the people are usually called Library Media Specialists. (because they're specialists in the types of media you find in a library.)
You am so SMART!
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Well, I assume our intellectually-challenged friend was, in referring to the calling of black men, bringing up the old argument that the excessive use of "politically correct" terminology does in fact lead to a blurring of the issues that make the original, non-PC, terms so contentious.
As I remember it, the classic argument revolved around the word "nigger." By demonising this word - which many African Americans do/did apparently use in everyday conversation - and using other, PC, terms, you are in effect avoiding the actual issues and history of African people in America which makes the word so incendiary.
Or something like that. I must admit it never made a lot of sense to me. Personally I don't like the word "nigger," I find it ugly.
Of course, maybe we're reading too much into what Meatheaddirx said, and he just likes the idea of calling them "niggers," and thinks the whole dressing-in-sheets, carrying-crosses gig is his idea of a fun time. 8)
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
Wait, Wait...
Would a "white" rapper or "wigger" be justified to use the word "nigger' in their everyday conversation, or rap lyrics?
If not, are we saying that it's okey to be a racist as long as you're directing the racism toward whichever race you belong to?
[ June 25, 2002, 16:49: Message edited by: BlueElectron ]
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
You fucking people never lay off do you. You must insult my intelligence at every chance you get, you must insult my obivious lack of typing skills. Does this make you fell all good inside insulting someone that you cannot face in person? Does it make you feel all good inside? Does it?
Don't give me the bullshit that you kidding around anymore. Because I don't buy it anymore. What you all have been doing for the past few months, maybe I have been ignoring it before I rejoined a few months ago, but have been insulting every single non-regular you lay eyes on.
I might be banned or this topic closed. But at least I have had my say.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Tabling the latest oeuvre from the incoherent one for now, I'll answer Bluey's question.
No, and no. Did you get that from what I said, because I certainly didn't mean that. What I was saying was that by trying to remove racist terms from 'everyday' language, PC'ers actually try to deny the racism exists at all. But it does. It shouldn't, but giving it inoffensive names doesn't help to eradicate it at all. Where the issue gets confused is that if black people call each other "niggers," it's not a racist term, but if a white person uses it it is.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Matrix: You fucking people never lay off do you. You must insult my intelligence at every chance you get, you must insult my obivious lack of typing skills. Does this make you fell all good inside insulting someone that you cannot face in person? Does it make you feel all good inside? Does it?
Don't give me the bullshit that you kidding around anymore. Because I don't buy it anymore. What you all have been doing for the past few months, maybe I have been ignoring it before I rejoined a few months ago, but have been insulting every single non-regular you lay eyes on.
I might be banned or this topic closed. But at least I have had my say.
*clap clap clap clap clap*
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
A lack of typing skills makes one misspell or screw up one's plurals or tenses. It does NOT make one post rambling paragraphs which make no grammatic sense nor have any internal consistency whatsoever.
Posting while stoned or otherwise cerebrally impaired does that.
[ June 25, 2002, 17:57: Message edited by: First of Two ]
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
I find it charming.
Ted Bundy was charming.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: :::blinks violently::: I could quite easily murder someone & have nearly done so on several occasions. I would still define myself as a "productive member of our society."
Define nearly. Do you mean you thought "really, really hard" about it, or do you mean you "beat someone to within an inch of their life"?
I get Lee's point though, and it does confuse me slightly. If you take the term "Pakis", everyone (apart from George Bush and Omega) finds it offensive, including people from Pakistan. They don't walk around saying "Yo, we duh tough Pakis, and we're gonna rap on yo ass!" Actually, no-one walks around saying that, but you get my point.
Some words that are offensive though, such as "Nigger", or "Queer" have been appropraited by the groups that use them to describe themselves. While this is interesting (I believe it's a form of defense against the term. They use it themselves as a way of putting a finger up at those who use it offensively) it does confuse the issue. You can say to a kid "don't say 'coon2, because it's racist, but if you tell him not to say "nigger", they do sometimes respond by saying that they've heard black people using it. It's slightly double standards.
I've also never heard that the term "black man" is offensive, and that "African American" should be used. What happens if they are not from Africa? And what happens if they are not American.
No, wait, ignore that last one. It's silly. Everyone is American.
Posted by Ultimate Magnus (Member # 239) on :
"coon2?"
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
God is an American. United we stand, Divided we fall. See?
As for the rest: Calling somebody a "Shit-toothed Cumwad" is usually taken as an insult, whether they're black or white or even asian, if you get the tones right.
It is therefore a PC thing to say. It's Equal Opportunity, and I'm all for that.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:You fucking people never lay off do you.
I guess you're just jealous that you sleep alone every night.
Dude, everybody gets teased. I get teased about killing deer, Rob gets teased for plotting world domination. Do I even need to mention what BWC gets teased for? You get teased for your lack of comprehension in your posts.
And, frankly, often some people are wondering just what the fuck you're typing, because you ARE hard to understand. Either take more time typing, or deal with people trying to figure out whether you're saying you "agree with me" or "don't agree with me." Or, whether we "feel" or whether we "fell" ... frankly, everyone here feels emotions. Maybe some fall on occasion, but not regularly. With you, it's a full time job.
[ June 25, 2002, 20:24: Message edited by: Snay ]
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Define nearly. Do you mean you thought "really, really hard" about it, or do you mean you "beat someone to within an inch of their life"?
Yes. I've intentially caused severe pain to people & I've come one conscious thought away from the taking of their lives.
Knowing exactly what you can do & actually doing it are 2 different things.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Yes, but...
quote: Face it, a murderer can never be a productive member of our society, and he will remain as a time bomb ready to go off at any time.
quote: Yes. I've intentially caused severe pain to people & I've come one conscious thought away from the taking of their lives.
The phrase "ticking time bomb" does seem to apply quite readily.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Not at all. I would have loved nothing more than to simply remove my ex-roommate's head from her body, then scatter her organs & flay the skin from her body. But I didn't. Remember, responsibility of power comes with it the knowledge of when & when not to use said power. Jim Kirk used the Gorn to make that point to the Metrons.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Snay: Do I even need to mention what BWC gets teased for?
Please quit for a while!
...screamed the dust speck.
[ June 25, 2002, 20:56: Message edited by: BWC ]
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
Nevermind, Flare performed another odd reaction
[ June 25, 2002, 20:55: Message edited by: BWC ]
Posted by Ultimate Magnus (Member # 239) on :
*killing himself. verily*
"God is an American."
Oh, now we're talking about David Bowie and his Drum Machine?
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
No getting a thinly veiled pop culture reference by you. You're like a speed trap in Hazzard county.
Posted by Ultimate Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Thin veils are the only reason I appear to have any knowledge about anything at all. I can't read or write.
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
????
....Which bring me back to my question...
Can a white rapper (such as Eminem) use the word "nigger" in his lyrics?
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
Like I said: You're like a speed trap in Hazzard county.
"goodgoodgoodgood"
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
The white rapper can, but he'd be wise not to.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Can a white rapper (such as Eminem) use the word 'nigger' in his lyrics?"
Certainly. Unless you mean w/o being laughed at and/or beaten/shot...
[ June 26, 2002, 00:11: Message edited by: TSN ]
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Please, do get insulted because of your intellect? No? I didn't think so.
Typing and writing are totally different things. I am an incredible writer when I write. I do not make alot of mistakes when I write, and when I do they are very rare. Typing on the other hand, was never my strong subject. I cannot think and type as well as I can think and write.
Do not insult, my intelligence, or my typing again. I have been real nice about how I handle things. If you want, I'll show how good I am at Psychology. If you don't get what I mean byt that then...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm pretty sure Eminem has used the word "nigger" in his songs.
quote:Remember, responsibility of power comes with it the knowledge of when & when not to use said power. Jim Kirk used the Gorn to make that point to the Metrons.
Oh no! You have used Star Trek to prove your point! I am defeated.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I AM WIN!! YOU ARE SUCK!!!
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Do not insult, my intelligence, or my typing again. I have been real nice about how I handle things. If you want, I'll show you how good I am at Psychology. If you don't get what I mean byt that then...
Have I ever insulted your intelligence? I think I mainly limit myself to insulting your tping, and your complete lack of anything resembling a thick skin.
Oh, yes, I'm trembling in the boots that you are such a wonderful amateur psychologist. If you're even half as good as Frasier Crane, I'm sure I'll be messed up for life. Yes.
*snort*
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
quote: I'll show you how good I am at Psychology
quote:Oh, yes, I'm trembling in the boots that you are such a wonderful amateur psychologist. If you're even half as good as Frasier Crane, I'm sure I'll be messed up for life. Yes.
OOH, can I get in on this game?
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Okay. You get to wear the pink tu-tu.
[ June 26, 2002, 13:48: Message edited by: Snay ]
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Snay: I mainly limit myself to insulting your tping,
Made one yerself, Mr. Jeff-who-can-dish-it-out-but-cant-take-the-volleys-himself.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
I mostly get teased for running over deer and playing with Lego, but if you want to tease me about my typing mistakes, be my guest. You'll notice I don't flip my lid and threaten people with my "vast psychological knowledge" when I am.
So where are you getting this "can't take the volleys himself" BS from?
[ June 26, 2002, 16:13: Message edited by: Snay ]
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I'll wear the pink tu-tu if you'll wear the viking hat and fish tie.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Okay. But only if we hang Matrix upside down by his toes and lower him into a pit of curdled milk.
Posted by Ultimate Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Then he'll show you how good he is at Calciology.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Just one question... is red or white wine appropriate with the meal?
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Blue wine!
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Romulan Ale it is, then.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
My typing varies with my time limit.... and, when I make a typo, which doesn't happen very often, they are well done.... I don't even eat my steak rare....
Now, back to my marketing plan for the carpet cleaner I work for....
Yes, you too can have fun with billboards, radio ads, direct mailers, and other tools of the trade....
All you need to do to really get 'them' going is to ignore puncuation and capitalisation.....
Always use a very sharp knife, with a thin blade, to flay someone....
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Please, do get insulted because of your intellect? No? I didn't think so."
Does this make some sort of sense in your mind? Please say no...
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Actually it wasn't supposed to scar you, scare you, or do anything to harm you in any way.
For awhile I have been making small mental notes on how everyone types, and your mannerisms. Unfortunately, because of the rather lack of in person exposure one could get from typing back and forth through the internet, it's harder to read soemone's personality than in person. Because in person you are there, all your flaws, all your habits is wide open for all to see. You can see the way the person stands, listen to the way the person talks, watch how they walk, how they write, how well they can talk if in a hurry, if they look you in the eyes or not and so forth.
I could care less if you insulted me or not Snay, if you say I have a so called "lack of thick skin". Because for thing I do know what you are, and its far from being thick skinned.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Uh, yeah. Listen, you want to go clean up your post or should I do it?
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Is there a need to have everything perfect Snay? Is it life threatening in any way to your surivial?
Besides either way or another, CC will contact will shortly and it will prove my point, that I will make soon.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
quote:For awhile I have been making small mental notes on how everyone types, and your mannerisms.
Here's a hint... most of us type as though we passed third-grade english.
Most of us also read what we've typed before we press "Add Reply" to make sure that it bears some resemblance to human speech patterns.
Most of us, upon completing that review, if we notice that words are missing, extraneously added, misspelled, or used in an incomprehensible way, change the post.
Here's an example:
quote:CC will contact will shortly
Who is this "Will" that CC will contact shortly? Most of us would have deleted the 2nd 'will,' because leaving it in makes no sense.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Doesn't matter Snay, you get the drift. Regardless of my horrible typing or not.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
quote:Originally posted by Matrix: Doesn't matter Snay, you get the drift. Regardless of my horrible typing or not.
Now, not being a "regular," I try to stay on the sidelines of any arguments amongst them. However, as an "objective" observer, I must step in and say Matrix, the post you believe Snay got the drift of is, at least to me, incomprehensible. Mind you, I think the criticism of your typing skills (or lack thereof) is old and overdone, and one can often interpret the intended meaning of your posts, however, the post you are referring to in the above quote makes absolutely no sense. But that is just my opinion, as an "objective" observer.
As for the original topic, I still believe the justice system was established to serve the ideal of its name and not to serve only as an instrument of punishment and vengeance. If the point of the system is only to hurt people who hurt other persons/people, why have a system at all? Individuals could take care of exacting revenge themselves (saving the government a lot of money). In fact, I might prefer such a system, because then those of us who do not subscribe to Old Testament, stone-age notions of "justice," and hope we would not succumb to the desire for vengeance when hurt, would be able to show mercy to those who hurt us.
I guess I just want to believe the justice system is based on more than the basest of human emotions. And, having that belief, I do not think it is "liberals" who want to reform criminals who are perverting the justice system; the true perversion lies with those who think some of their fellow men are garbage, and want every man who has killed another killed himself.
Lastly, and I wish I did not have to point this out, my beliefs do not mean I want a psycopath roaming the streets. Those who are "beyond repair" should be "locked up," for everyone's safety. (Of course, if a person is truly psycologically "wired" to kill, should he be killed just because he himself is an uncontrolable killer? Would not segregating him from society for the rest of his life take care of safety and security concerns? And should such segregation be unpleasant? After all, most psycopaths probably did not desire their condition.) However, is a person involved in a drunken barroom brawl resulting in another person's death beyond reforming? Is it not possible he made a mistake, albeit a terrible, tragic one, and could learn from said mistake, "pay his debt to society" (and the "victims"), and resume a normal, productive life?
[Also, none of my words were written as a personal attack on another poster. I have very strong beliefs, and I might vehemently disagree with you, but that does not mean I do not respect you. Thus, if you see any phrases and/or words lifted from your posts, understand, please, that I am "attacking" your idea, not you, your intelligence, etc. (many intelligent people have stupid beliefs/ideas )]
[ June 27, 2002, 16:16: Message edited by: Raw Cadet ]
Posted by Ultra Magnus Pym (Member # 239) on :
quote: For awhile I have been making small mental notes on how everyone types, and your mannerisms. Unfortunately, because of the rather lack of in person exposure one could get from typing back and forth through the internet, it's harder to read soemone's personality than in person. Because in person you are there, all your flaws, all your habits is wide open for all to see. You can see the way the person stands, listen to the way the person talks, watch how they walk, how they write, how well they can talk if in a hurry, if they look you in the eyes or not and so forth.
Holy shit. Holy shit. Holy shit. GO OUTSIDE! I have never been more scared in my entire life. Not because Matrix knows what shoes I wear with his incredible psychology prowess, but because. Just because.
Sad little man.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
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