From Sweaty Hispanics In Kansas, I've been made aware of this. Looks like they're starting to groom children. Discuss.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Because as all Soviets know, one must be "Politically Correct"
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I'm not sure I understand the leap from that survey to "Oh my god, they're grooming our children to be Parsons!" It doesn't say who exactly is responsible for the survey. For all we know, it could be research that a graduate psychology student is doing on comparable attitudes towards morality and politics across generations. I mean, I certainly got surveys like that to complete in high school, dropped on me in the middle of a lecture the subject of which had nothing to do with the survey.
I think the realization of Bush's domestic spying program and just plain suspicion of the Bush Administration is making some people overly eager to see phantoms where there are none. I'd be willing to bet that I probably filled out a similar survey at some time in high school, and that was during the Clinton Administration.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
What are those A's and D's doing there, on the right hand side of the paper? You can't grade opinions, there's no proofs section for universal justice.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Maybe the "correct" answers?
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
So what happens if you fail this test? The SS comes to take you away?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Pah, garbage.
Posted by Lexa Sudani (Member # 1785) on :
Very interesting...
In one sense I have to agree with Siegfried in that without knowing who gave the survey/test and why, it's difficult to gauge the intent behind it.
However, with "answers" written off to the side, where a professor's comments are usually inserted, it does tend to lead one to believe that a student's perception of their environment is being graded or analyzed.
I suppose there always is the off chance that the answers to the side could also be a comparative of the 'national average' to the student's work.
It is all the little things like these that lead me to believe this country may be closer to a civil war than a world war. Especially when you take into account how many residents of Washington State act around election time, and all the discrepencies (sp?) during the last governor's election.
'Tis sad to think our opinions may become our downfall....but, I digress.
Go Colts! Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
"She has a GPA of 3.75 and uses her brain." Well that's good. No more coma students is what I say!
What it looks like to me is that they went through the thing afterwards and gave the "correct" answers. Note the little hashmark next to each number the student got "wrong" like they were making a note of which ones they got incorrect, and then what the "right" answer was.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"I certainly got surveys like that to complete in high school, dropped on me in the middle of a lecture the subject of which had nothing to do with the survey."
Were you required to fill those out, though? Because the first thing I'd do if someone shoved a form like that under my nose without explanation to check and grade my patriotism level would probably be to tear it in half.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
That article doesn't give anywhere near enough information to reach conclusions as to the purpose of the survey. It certainly looks the kind of surveys that I've done for psychology or sociology students.
Also that website doesn't look to be an entirely neutral source.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: Were you required to fill those out, though? Because the first thing I'd do if someone shoved a form like that under my nose without explanation to check and grade my patriotism level would probably be to tear it in half.
No, I was never required to complete one. The website isn't working at the moment, but I don't remember the article saying whether or not the student in question was forced to take it or not. Another thing that make me a little suspicious is that the student apparently got the survey, graded and all, back from whoever administered it. I've never heard of anyone taking a survey and then getting to walk away with the answer sheet, but I do suppose that it is possible.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
If this were some sort of tool of the administration, and if those letters on the left represented the "right" answers, I would be very surprised by some of them. Particularly the first and fourth ones.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Waht if she just wrote "Fuck you" in each slot? I'd like to see a student get expelled for something so obviously out of line.
Hmmm...I wonder how factual this is though: anyone get a link to a Washington newspaper covering the story? I'd imagine it's news over there.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Why?
Student thinks killing is no good, admin may think that it is good to kill for the 'right' reason. Who determines the right reason?
Student disagrees that absolute power corrupts absolutely, admin may think that it does. I do to, look at the current US Admin to see what a little bit of power does and how it corrupts a lot.
2 is screwed, well, not really, after all politicians would never go against the people...
6 is screwed, comprimise what ever for the state.
7 is screwed, although it does show that more indoctrination is required.
If all students answered in such a manner then the scholls would have to really crack down, if that is the admins thinking.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Here is what I would have said if I had to take this test in high school.
#1: Disagree. There are circumstances when the death of one is required to save the lives of innocents.
#2: I'm torn on that one. Since most politicians may do what's best for the state, They also have thier own personal agendas that in the long run may or may not be benificial to the people.
#3: Agree. If a politician does something wrong, then they should lose thier job, just like the pizza boy who f*cks the order. If the politician is keeping power through force or the fear of force, or refusing to relinquish that power, then they should be removed by whatever means neccessary.
#4: Agree. Ceasar, Napoleon, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Hussien. Perfect examples of power = corruption.
#5: Disagree. The laws are there in the first place for the "good of the country". Bending the rules i can live with. But breaking them all together is something no one should be allowed to do, not even the leader of that country.
#6: Agree. Ones ideals and beliefs are really the only thing we have nowadays that we can truly call "ours". I'm speaking of course of ones own personal moral code and ethics, not of religious or political beliefs.
#7: Disagree. Blind loyalty is destructive. Blind loyalty is what started both world wars. Blind loyalty is what is driving people to strap bombs to thier bodies. Loyalty is all well and good. But if it blinds you to the fact that your leader may not be working in your best interests or may even be working to bring pain and suffering to others then your no better than he is.
#8: This one i'm also torn between. I believe that no political or religious cause is worth dying (or killing) for. But Dying to protect others from harm is a cause I would die for. especially if it were a loved one being threatened with harm.
#9: Agree. There's a fine line between rational fear and abject cowardice. If your too afraid to stand up for what you believe in, then you have no right believing in it.
#10: Disagree. a persons good deeds are still remembered.It's just that people seem to like bringing up the evil deeds more often. Even Hitler did some good. In the years following the first world war Germanies economy was in ruins. The German government printed billions in D-marks to pay for reparations fro mthe first world war. Guess what happened to the exchange rate for those billions of fresh crisp D-marks? The exchange rate crashed to the point where they were literally burning D-marks to heat thier homes. It took about a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread. It was practically a third world country from an economic standpoint. They had all this money, but it wasn't even worth the paper it was printed on. Hitler rejuvinated the economy and made Germany into a prosperous nation. He just went on to use that prosperity to further his own evil agenda.
If I had taken this test in high school. my answeres probably would have labelled me as "un-Canadian". This test is generic enough to work well in just about any country. When in reality I'm really more anti-political in my views. I dislike politics, and I dislike politicians. I especially hate politicians who spend all thier time bickering and pussy-footing around problems important to the people while they're sitting in thier big offices squandering tax money on "business" trips. For those who don't live in Canada there's been quite an outrage over our politicians use of federal funds over that last few years. I'm no expert on the current political situation since i tend to skip the news columns concerning it.
Anyways, there's my weekely rant. Enjoy!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Of course, the letters at the side could just be the most popular answer of the results that were attained, and might just be there to allow the university student to compare the results for his thesis on the nature of patriotism in today's children.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Or it could be c omplete ands utter bulshit as nothing I've seen on the AP/CNN/my Shining Trapezohedron has mentioned such a provocative story.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Jason, you're one of those people who don't believe there was anyone behind the grassy knoll, and think that all the similarities between Lincoln and Kennedy were NOT in fact evidence of supernatural intervention, aren't you?
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Jason WAS on the grassy knoll.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
No, that was Kenedy himself (from an alternate timeline) on the knoll. Don't tell me you never watched Red Dwarf.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
It had to have been the russians who killed Kennedy. It was the Cold War who else would have done it? Certainly not us Canadians. Nope. *Whistles Innocently*
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It was the Spanish.
Nobody expects the Spanish.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by WizArtist II: Jason WAS on the grassy knoll.
Jackie killed Kennedy- there was a derringer built into her hat.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Ha! You've all bought the offical line! There was no knoll. It was Tim.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Are you saying Tim had disguised himself as the grassy knoll?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
A grassy mountain, at the very least.
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: ... and think that all the similarities between Lincoln and Kennedy were NOT in fact evidence of supernatural intervention, aren't you?
Aren't those similarities mainly complete bollocks?
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Nope. Those similarities are entirely complete bollocks.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, both were fucking Marylin Monroe. You cant dent that!
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I deny everything.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: I deny everything.
You can't deny that you wrote you deny everything.
Touch�!
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Jackie killed Kennedy- there was a derringer built into her hat.
So Jackie was like a preliminary version of Inspector Gadget.
Besides, "J" already told us that JFK is living on some vacation planet.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jay the Obscure: You can't deny that you wrote you deny everything.
I deny that as well.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by WizArtist II:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Jackie killed Kennedy- there was a derringer built into her hat.
So Jackie was like a preliminary version of Inspector Gadget.
Besides, "J" already told us that JFK is living on some vacation planet.
But without most of his head. They just hooked him up to a tricorder and walk him around via remote control moaning "Brains!!!"
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