WOO HOO! Suck it, Republican fuckos! Suck it all night long.
McCain is gracious in defeat, Palin is so low class as to refuse any comment, much less congradualte Obama and Biden and even FOX News is calling it a "sweep".
I laugh much like Invader Zim anyway but tonight moreso than usual....and over the intercom at work.
My joy tomorrrow morning (after work) will be to watch FOX News make excuses, point fingers and cast about for a scapegoat. My guess is the villification of Sarah Palin.
Goood times.
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Comin' again to pretend to be a democracy yeah! I mean, uh, yeah, it's great, I'm sure we'll see a new freer America any day now.
Yes. I'm cynical.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
I'm too busy defending freedom atm to giggle in glee (yeah i voted for O, too). have to wait until we're underway again to really review the electricution results (She really didn't comment on O's victory? *shrug* She's alaska's c*nt then, not mine...)
Change bitches (hope for the better)...
change. Indeed. Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
"Palin is so low class as to refuse any comment"
You mean where, like Biden with O's speech, and according to the usual way of things, the VP-candidate didn't talk during the concession speech?
I'm sorry to interrupt, I'm just highly amused that someone who just said "Suck it, Republican fuckos" would call someone who was silent "low class" for being so, and doubly amused that they would do so from the supposedly- (read "faux-") egalitarian perspective of the Democrats.
In any case, Obama and his campaign staff (including the media) did a smash-up job. The race was his to lose, and while he still managed to falter in the polls at times, the economic trouble crafted by his Democrat comrades in the 1990's and maintained throughout the 2000's came to the rescue at the most opportune time in history.
Good show.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
In any election both of the losing party traditionally give some consolation remarks- McCain's were really very gracious considering the dirty campaign he's run. Palin refusing to even meet with press is just more of the obvious disdain (or is it fear?) she's shown toward the media.
If I seem a tad "low class" in my comments it's forgivable (as are anyone else's not actually running for the highest offices in the world) after all the slanders, lies and mud slopped against not only Obama himself but (locally at least) Democrats as a group- here in south florida -this morning- McCain voulenteers were passing out spanish language fliers warning how Obama is a communist. Fuck's sake- yeah, I say "suck it" to those kinds of bozos and all last eight years of their tactics.
quote: the economic trouble crafted by his Democrat comrades in the 1990's and maintained throughout the 2000's came to the rescue at the most opportune time in history.
Now you're high- seriously. There's so much blame to go around for the economic mess (least of which falls squarely on McCain's pro-deregulation stance or upon the Fed Chairman always lowering intrest rates to prop up an econemy grossly out spending any previous administration or Bush cutting taxes during wartime, etc.) to go around: to say the Democrats are responsible is both misleading and uninformed at best.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
In 1997 the Tories here in the UK would still answer any Labour criticsim of their economic policies by tabulating all the problems they inherited from Labout - in 1979. Eighteen years before. And we all know how well that worked for them.
Truth is, a lot of the current problems with the world economy stem from much further back, to the 80s and beyond. So you could just as easily blame Reagan or Bush I, but I suspect the name of a certain Man From Plains will doubtless be the first one to slip from your lips. . .
And, really, do you actually think McCain would be better? He was implicated in one of the bigger financial scandals of the 1980s, once which foretold the sure death of Reaganomics, and he only escaped untarred from that by, it's now suggested, actively-but-covertly briefing against the other members of the Keating Five, behind the scenes. Add to that his championing of de-regulation, and his idiotic "Campaign Suspension" to Save The Economy, only to sit in on a Presidential meeting and do and say nothing. . .
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
All in all, I hope Obama performs his job well. If so, he will be receiving my vote in the '12 election.
Now, we just have to put up with 3 more months of Bush...
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Ha ha ha!
Twas good news indeed. Now if only we can find an Obama figure to replace either Cameron or Clegg and we'll be laughing too.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Well.
I think the only thing you'll find me agreeing on is that it's good to finally end all the campaigning and political ads.
And that's all I'm going to say on the subject, because I don't like being dog-piled on.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I watched it live. I watched Obama's speech. It was inspiring.
McCain's speech was quite gracious.
I was trying to think about what makes Barak Obama different to other presidents of the last 40 years. I think it's easy to say - he's INTELLIGENT.
No more morons, clowns, creeps and movie stars.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Some observations from a Canadian:
1) During McCain's concession speech, each time Barack Obama's name was said, a chorus of boos erupted. McCain did his best to quiet them and tell them now is not the time to be jeering your opponent but it goes to show how big (and bad) the political divide is.
2) CBC caught some shots of some people waving the Soviet Union Flag at an Obama rally at the White House (the rally was jeering at Bush to get out of office). Looks like the work of some McCain supporters out to decry Obama as a socialist/communist/anti-American/insult of the week.
3) There is agreement among my fellow Canadians that while we approve of Obama becoming President, he picked a really bad time to be one. What with the US economy going down the tubes and PR of the USA at an all time low, Obama will have a real tough time pulling his country out of the deep trench. Even with progress made, the Republicans are sure to label Obama as ineffective come 2012. He may well be a one term president, and it will be a tumultuous one. I don't mean to be racist but if Obama is unable to overcome these obstacles, it is highly unlikely that the USA, with all its political and racial divides, would trust the presidency to another member of a visible minority.
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
lol @ CNN's "hologram" effect.
It's just a form of motion control using multiple cameras.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
I personally would not be surprised if there is a second Civil War (or War Between the States if you prefer) in this country within the next decade. There are a lot of people out there who may very well be feeling like William Foster 'D-FENS'.
Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :
I wanted to share this email message from an online friend who lives in the black ghettos of NYC.
quote: What I was trying to say in my long night of emotional ups and downs was that only in the past two days did I realize exactly what it meant for Obama to win. I mean, I get it intellectually; I get it emotionally. I get it in all kinds of ways. But I only got it within the past two days what it means for every person who is NOT WHITE (Caucasian). This was especially moving to me because of where I live. I complain about, and get so frustrated about, the isses that plague the Black Community where I live and I just don't understand why there seems to be no effort to rise above the history of oppression. I mean, as an objective caucaisan, I could relate to oppression and struggle from only so many angles, and I really thought I was doing a good job of empathizing... but I wasn't.
In the past couple of days with the election on the horizon, I felt something change in my community. I felt what I never felt before, which is the anchor of oppression that isn't just an artifact from the past, as I had always seen it, but a deep wounding that was handed down from generation to generation as if it was the only option for defining the Black race. But see, I knew this... but I didn't GET it.
Today, as I started feeling the energy moving in more and more alive ways, I suddenly felt this implosion and I realized just how powerful it meant for us to have a Black President. And then it really REALLY hit me... I mean, if I think that's such a moving thing... my god, how were other races feeling about this. I mean, centuries of absolutely NO positive models, NO positive representation... nothing. Just the options for thugs and sidekicks and mockeries of themselves. I can relate to it to some degree as a gay man having had our sexuality and effort to love mocked and punished, but... it's not the same.
So my tears tonight were all about my shame in realizing just how ignorant I have been about that reality, and about this incredibly beautiful relief that washed over me that I finally found the empathy and the utter profundity of this election. I have so much excitement for how my community might begin to change now. This anchor of historic oppression as an identity no longer has any valuable weight! It's OVER. Sure, it's not going to change over night, but the efforts to make a difference together will be heightened and the enthusiasm was palpable in my neighborhood tonight. When I walked my dog tonight, my Black community LOOKED AT ME... in my eyes, and smiled and I could tell I was being seen differently. The weight of what I represented was lifted from me, too! I feel it. And I know it might seem silly, but you have no idea how heavy that weight has been for me to live under as I recovered over the past year. To know that the division is potentially tipped in a direction away from history and color defining our possibilities and divisions... Well, I wept. Still weeping...
But then, I'm a big baby, I guess.
And it's NOT about Obama, neccessarily, it's about the entire symbolism and everything involved with that. Like the fact that WE did this... WE put a Black man into our White House! WE DID IT!!
In every future vision of our country, science fiction has a non-White or a woman as President.
We are now living in that future of possibility and everything connected to that fantasy of our future is now rooted as tangible possibilities.
Star Trek... Gene Roddenberry... Here we come!
Along these same lines, my roommate, who is half black and from Kansas, told me about the phone message her dad (who is white) left her. He said that he kept having to pinch himself to make sure he wasn't dreaming, because when he married her mother, interracial marriages were still illegal in 25 states. Her parents worked in the civil rights movement and used to get all kinds of death threats from both whites and blacks.
It's pretty hard not to feel emotional to see how far we've come.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
WoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooHooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon: Ha ha ha!
Twas good news indeed. Now if only we can find an Obama figure to replace either Cameron or Clegg and we'll be laughing too.
Indeed. As overjoyed I am at America's choice for president, it just highlights how uninspiring our politicians are over here.
If there was a British election today, I really wouldn't want any of the candidates to win (although I'd inevitably vote Lib Dem anyway). We really need an Obama-like figure to stir things up and rise above the pettyness and corruption that dominates British politics.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:If there was a British election today, I really wouldn't want any of the candidates to win (although I'd inevitably vote Lib Dem anyway). We really need an Obama-like figure to stir things up and rise above the pettyness and corruption that dominates British politics.
Wasn't that what Blair was supposed to be? Funny how that sort of thing can turn out.
As for the yanks, I'm glad they've elected someone less likely to drag us into another oil hunting expedition, though I dare say I suspect he'll be a bit of a bullet magnet for a while. I hope he stays away from Dallas and plazas altogether.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Y'know that was a thought in the back of my head. We might have store him in Fort Knox. Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, the way I look at it, either of these choices for President have a pretty good chance of dieing in office. Obama, heaven forbid, from an assassins bullet, or bomb, or McCain, from plain old age. So, I think to a certain degree, it came down to who they chose as VP's. In the event of a tragedy, I'm sure that Bidden is a lot more qualified to helm this country than Palin would have been.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: Well.
I think the only thing you'll find me agreeing on is that it's good to finally end all the campaigning and political ads.
And that's all I'm going to say on the subject, because I don't like being dog-piled on.
i can't help myself...
1) is your fear due to previous dog-piles?
2) had those dog-piles involved hard-ons?
3) has those previous said dog-piles involve a. your erection facing up? [resulting in bent shaft syndrome?] b. your rection facing down? [resulting in either admantine erections as the sheer pressure of the hard dirt resisting the sudden downward thrust trasmorgaphied your erection or creating a huge hole with sesmic damage from the sudden displacement of dirt that your erection forced dirt aside?]
well?
*howls in giggles* don't feel bad. i hate being on the bottom, too, normally LOL
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I'm done with you. The increasing crap and verbal filth that spews forth from your insipid posts tells me that you're on the same mental level as a challenged middle-school student.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
P.W. : Stop trolling. Really. It hasn't ever been interesting, but it is irritating.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
...sometimes the joke doesn't get it, either...
:/ t'was JUST a joke, k?
what ever. O won, that's all that matters...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
From Salon.com
quote: Deep thoughts from Sarah Palin Part of Sarah Palin's response, when asked Wednesday about her political future: "2012, that sounds like years away."
Profound.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: As for the yanks, I'm glad they've elected someone less likely to drag us into another oil hunting expedition, though I dare say I suspect he'll be a bit of a bullet magnet for a while. I hope he stays away from Dallas and plazas altogether.
That worries me too, especially since the people who didn't want him in office are also the people with all the guns. Still, the secret service, or whoever's job it is, managed to stop Bush from getting shot and he's one of the most unpopular presidents for a long time, so Obama ought to be fairly safe.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Popular leaders are always the most likely to get knocked off, not by lone nutters but by powerful people who stand to loose out from whatever they're doing to make themselves so popular. Of course a lone nutter is often blamed. As for unpopular leaders, they're easier to protect because they know better than to expose themselves to oppertunists.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Johnny, you need to clarify: it's the wackjobs who have the guns and who hate Obama. The wackjobs loved Bush, and the normal people hated him. Unfortunately, normal people wouldn't even think of offing Bush whereas the wackjobs would to Obama.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
Good point, Obama will no doubt hold a lot more public speeches and with bigger crowds than Bush did, because people will actually want to see them.
Posted by Vanguard (Member # 1780) on :
Pretty much all I got to say on the subject. Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Johnny: Good point, Obama will no doubt hold a lot more public speeches and with bigger crowds than Bush did, because people will actually want to see them.
There's a lot more at stake then. political 'off-ings' is something not heard much of in the media (good thing? bad thing? i dunno...)
*watchs around for a Flare-Dog-Pile cautiously*
Let's just hope that the wack-jobs who do try DON'T. America needs success, America's wack-jobs need to be dead'ed, legally or wack-job'ed in house. any other situation is JFK all over again (how different our world would be had he...)
*sigh* I voted O. MY. VERY. 1st. TIME. in the 18 years that i could vote, i only voted this year... and it was cool.
*skids the topic side-ways a bit*
i'm surprised nobody's taking about the shite in Colorado (Affirmative Inaction) and Cally (Yes on Prop-8: Yeahhhhhhhhh, Christianaity taking another step backwards towards Islamic evil-ness [Intolerance]. Equality for all? LOL. yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh)
even when we think we win, we lose....
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
Pensive: Yeah, but CO Amendment 48 (fetuses are people too, and inherently more valuable than the uteruses they're made in, so let's prosecute women for miscarrying!) died by a huge margin.
Posted by Vanguard (Member # 1780) on :
Yeah, 48 was really bad.. even if you're against abortion... terribly written.
The affirmative action bill, sorry, but I agree with it. If skin color should never matter in getting your job, then, well, skin color should never matter in getting your job. Why is there a problem with that?
Prop 8, in Cali, is a messy kettle' of fish. It's more an example of escalation out of control than anything else.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Thank God Allmighty that 48 died- it would have meant the end of all kinds of research- as well as invitro fertilization techniques that have allowed so many couples to become parents.
As California had it's dumb Amendment 8, we in Florida had Amendment 2 - which is twice as stupid in nature as gay marriage was already illegal in Florida- this change to the state constution also does away with Domestic Partnerships- even between hetrosexual couples. Small wonder the proposition was started by and fully funded by far right religous groups with many moderate religous groups railing against the measure as it limits everything from hospital visits to shared insurance coverage for couples living together.
The cash-strapped state will likely spend millions defending the legality of it for years to come.
Strangely enough, it's the record number of African-Americans Obama's campaign got to the voting booth that likey passed Amendment 2- even though Obama himself was against it's passing: a lot of those same voters come from a religous/conservative POV regarding marriage rights and there was massive advertisment for the amendment's passing- as well as some frankly unlawful pushing from the pulpit in many churches.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Ok, I might come off sounding like an evil ignorant foreigner, but how can a marriage be valid in one part of the country, but not the other? I realise you lot a certain laws for certain states but the legal recognition of a marriage seams like a "biggie" to me.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Ok, I might come off sounding like an evil ignorant foreigner, but how can a marriage be valid in one part of the country, but not the other? I realise you lot a certain laws for certain states but the legal recognition of a marriage seams like a "biggie" to me.
50 people, saying 50 different ways how you can fist a chicken. and depending on which of those 50 people you talk to, not all those different means of fisting that chicken might not be legal to those particular individuals...
not exactly the correct answer but it's not politically correct an answer i'll provide.
it gets better when some of those 50 people are religious bigot fucks with NOTHING better to do but legislate the means of how you can fist that chicken (thus why frn'ech fisting might be legal to one person but a felony to another...)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Ok, I might come off sounding like an evil ignorant foreigner, but how can a marriage be valid in one part of the country, but not the other? I realise you lot a certain laws for certain states but the legal recognition of a marriage seams like a "biggie" to me.
Marriage rights are handled at the state level with slight vararitions from state to state- there are slight diffrences in divorce laws as well. In this case, a contraversial California Supreme Court decision that had recognized same-sex marriage in California as a fundamental right.
In response, The Mormon Church of California and aligned church organizations attained enough signatures to take up a ballot amendment to the state's constitution to trump the sate's supreme court's ruling- which they did and it sadly passed....possibly invalidating the thousands of same-sex marriages performed since the supreme court's initial ruling.
Also, the Mormon Church made contributions to the fund supporting Prop 8 mandatory- thus possibly imperiling their tax-exempt status by useing religion to influence voters and the state's political process.
It's amazng the passion some people feel to take away other people's right to be happy. Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
If it helps, think of America as 50+ diferent little countries with their own government etc, all held together by a single central government.
That's also why the election has to be run in the way it is - 51 individual elections that need to be put together to decide the next step.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I guess the best way to think about it would be to consider the US as an analogy to the EU; each state of the US is somewhat like each member country in the EU, but not to that significant a degree.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
But we all speak the same language and out money always fit nicely in a wallet. Hmmm...imagine a european country where the capital was Las Vegas. They could all speak "lounge" and the national anthem would be a big band jazz number.
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
Heh. I have a Big Band version of the European Anthem.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Hey, if they can make the crappy old 1960's Iron Man cartoon theme music sound swingin' anything's possible.
Maybe a nice jazzy Anarchy In The U.K. is not far behind...
I have a CD called Loungapalooza with all "lounge" music (which I only bought for a great Poe original song) that features a lounge version of Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fabrux: I guess the best way to think about it would be to consider the US as an analogy to the EU; each state of the US is somewhat like each member country in the EU, but not to that significant a degree.
Except, you know, that we ARE separate countries, despite what the Germans and French keep trying to forces us into.
quote:Originally posted by HopefulNebula: Heh. I have a Big Band version of the European Anthem.
There's an anthem?
Anyway, getting back to marriages, I still fail to understand how each state has different can have different laws governing what must be one the the most basic and probably one of the oldest human rights. I can understand churches and various religious groups refusing to have the ceremonies at their places of worship, that's their business, but a marriage is essentially a legal contract, so why should the courts even pay attention to their demands is beyond me.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Anyway, getting back to marriages, I still fail to understand how each state has different can have different laws governing what must be one the the most basic and probably one of the oldest human rights. I can understand churches and various religious groups refusing to have the ceremonies at their places of worship, that's their business, but a marriage is essentially a legal contract, so why should the courts even pay attention to their demands is beyond me."
It's certainly up to each state to decide to whom they will issue marriage licenses. Over the years, different states have imposed different regulations on things like minimum age without parental consent, degrees of consanguinity, race, etc. But, theoretically, the full faith and credit clause of the constitution should mean that, even if a state wouldn't allow two people to get married, it still has to recognize their existing marriage if they marry somewhere that does allow it. Which makes all these states' amendments unconstitutional. It's just a matter now of getting the courts to declare that.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Anyway, getting back to marriages, I still fail to understand how each state has different can have different laws governing what must be one the the most basic and probably one of the oldest human rights. I can understand churches and various religious groups refusing to have the ceremonies at their places of worship, that's their business, but a marriage is essentially a legal contract, so why should the courts even pay attention to their demands is beyond me.
*warning* HUGE HUGE Flame *Flee now! NOW!*
Alex! I'll take religious bigotry and intollerance for $800!
Bedop! Bedop! Bedop!
Congratulations, Rev! You got todai's daily double-entre:
"This religious~political institution has been fingering fucking underage individuals, local, state and federal goverment's rules and regulations, religious settings during the holidays and generally being a royal noisance for the lawful notion of 'Separation of Church AND State' for as long as those puritan assholes have been in the americas.
Alex. Who is the Christian far right?"
with 50 states and (perhaps) 50 ways of doing things, means you like to do something and you get grief over it here? you just move somewhere else (U-Haul 4TW). it's why business move thier HQ's, (up until the 90's+ where going overseas to save money, avoid taxes, etc 4tw), people themselves move (a friend's sister and her family moved to Florida simply because they hated the cold winters of Cleveland), the few professional sports teams moving and closing (example: The Baltimore Ravens, who USED TO BE my Kardiac Kids, the former Cleveland Browns.
Kosar. Bynre. Slaughter. what once i beloved and now scorn with regret.
The Ravens moved because of Ohio's tax laws that tend to fuck people up when they die (a issue for individuals as well as private/public corporations) with huge penalties to the survivers who inherate the remainder funds. that isn't the only reason teams do that but that was Modell's main reason when he took the team to Balitmore.
It's even better when your in a commonwealth like Virgina (i'm told that if you don't have a will to ensure wealth tranfer, somehow your property (a % at least) will go to the state automatically).
now for marriage. marriage has always been.... i had a very long rant on this and scorn for organized religion in general but i'll shush up (it's sunday and it's football time) *rant overwith*
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
...wow, i get really bitchy when religion is discussed or accused/used/abused. but it can't be helped since religion tends to be the ones who abuse/use/accuse (besides me here, as example).
the one thing i Wonder is Will O. pander to the religious farts like someone else has frequently the past feW years? :/
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
What, Nader lost? Crap!!!
With Obama having pick a hardliner Demmie for his Chief of Staff it appears that it will be polyticks as usually.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Surprise, surprise. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
PW: I read your post but I'm still clueless as to what the bloody hell you're going on about. Does anyone have a Gibberish to English dictionary?
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
There's a "Babble"fish pun just waiting to be made here, I know it.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
...ships.... navy life. AIR-DALES...
do i really need to explain any more than that? i'm usually tired when i think/type...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ritten: What, Nader lost? Crap!!!
With Obama having pick a hardliner Demmie for his Chief of Staff it appears that it will be polyticks as usually.
Oh, I dont know- he did just fine in Clinton's old crew and plenty of democrats owe him favors- sounds like a shrewd move to me. So the minority leader (Republican) is already bitching about his selection: so what? Give the guy a chance to even start his job before he gets bashed around: the republicans could not even wait a day after the election before whining how "partisan" Obama's administration will be. Coming from people that blatantly broke the law in their hiring only republicans (in the Justice Dept for irony) such cautionary cries of what the democrats will do in two months rings very hollow indeed.
Most press corps people think that this new Chief Of Staff will allow Obama to handle people in his own party that might try to get over, or at least let Obama play "good cop".
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Most press corps people think that this new Chief Of Staff will allow Obama to handle people in his own party that might try to get over, or at least let Obama play "good cop".
That's what it looks like from over here. As I recall that's exactly they dynamic JFK had with Bobbie Kennedy, though I realise the actual position is quite different. Still, evey good leader needs a pitbull.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Speaking of Nader, he is giving a lecture at Hilbert College, which is maybe 5 minutes away from my high school, tonight, I think it is. I have no idea what he has to talk about though...
Oh, and apparently, Obama is so popular, that he gets his own action figure...?
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
Sean: That's nothing. You should have seen here around the DNC. There was Obama everything.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
There's also a Mccain action figure- looks only vaguely like him though. There's of course, several Bush figures- including a special GI Joe doll of him in flight gear from his "Mission Accomplished" moment on the aircraft carrier (or, if you prefer, from his Texas Air Guard days). There was a Kerry bobble-head as I recall.
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