personally i condone it since they have done worse shit to us so if we piss on their worthless hides (after all the hard work sending them COD to their god)?
HOWEVER, they were retarded by videotaping it of course so the epic fucking that everyone will do to us in return... sucky.
Desecrating the dead is never something we should condone, lest we prove to be no better than the enemy we fight- how much farther removed is this than beheadings?
And, of course, while the west shuns imagery of it's fallen soldiers, the terrorists use this kind of thing as recruiting posters- "See the evil Americans defile your brothers!"
Yeah they'll get some martyrs out of this bad business.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
No, the "it's OK because they did much worse to us" defence is not a valid excuse but the product of a weak, immature and feeble mind. NOT doing this kind of thing is supposed to be what separates *us* from *them*. Once you remove that distinction then any pretence at the moral high ground is lost. Not that there's a shred of that left in this decade long misadventure or anything.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
If you condone that, Pensive, you also condone the same behavior being done to your brothers and sisters overseas. It's not the same as "they will do worse things to our boys ANYWAY", this means you actually legitimize captured allies being drowned in a latrine or crushed slowly under a vehicle while alive, any way they'd want to take the desecration. If you throw the rule book out, you throw the rules defending you out, leaving only animal behavior.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Easiet game on the planet: Kick Dirt in your face.
Yes, those Marines will fry, because politics demand their flesh. Sure the planet will 'celebrate our fuck-up'. why? because kicking dirt in your face happens in the backs of schools, online on FB (resultling in week feeble minds committing suicide), on the front pages of newspapers and on TV ontop of the hour. Humanity loves to take a giant dump on other humans when they fuck up.
Im still standing by my condonance. why, oh partioners of High Morals? your morals dont mean shit when its war. think about it. Murder is immoral yet people still do it, drop of a hat. Folks smoke their own poop, drop of a hat. even the high minded, rich folk do weird shit, drop of hat. only they are smart enough to hide their tracks, better than the feeble-minded lower cases...
keep thinking that we are better than that. ill keep thinking that we have not gotten quite as far above animals as others would hope to think otherwise. for every Mona Lisa, there's Two Girls, One Cup...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No one's going to fry- or even see a cell over this. Maybe dishonorable discharges...maybe.
Pissing on a corpse is wrong, but not any crime I'm aware of....but on the other hand, Bradley Manning is in jail forever for maybe leaking mostly nonclassified shit, so anything is possible.
Embarassing the conutry will get you more time than causing the economic colapse or lieing to congress under oath.
I blame Sarah Palin. No reason, I just kinda miss her Real American brand of unintentional humor.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Im still standing by my condonance. why, oh partioners of High Morals? your morals dont mean shit when its war."
Congratulations. You just condoned 9-11.
Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"Im still standing by my condonance. why, oh partioners of High Morals? your morals dont mean shit when its war."
Congratulations. You just condoned 9-11.
How does urinating on the dead corpse of an enemy fighter that was trying to kill you relate to the mass murder of 3000 innocent people or the barbaric castration and decapitation of our own troops?
It doesn't.
War is brutal, and any idealized notion of a "moral high ground" is completely lost when you're on the ground and getting shot at. Do you know what happens to the bodies of those guys after we kill them (sans piss)? Nothing. We leave them where they're at and let them bloat and rot of their own accord.
Were they idiots for video taping the act? Absolutely. But people are definitely overreacting to what should really be the least of our concerns in the scope of things.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Nice Shik. Couldnt say it better or nicer...
actually i can at least clarify things.
i do NOT condone all the types of acts, that i'll just call the blanket term 'Rape & Pillage'. All that nice stuff that happens in Africa, the Former Yugoslavia, Viet Nam... some prisons in Germany & Poland during the last World War... that kinda thing. oh, forgot to mention those nice men & woman in Mexico (you know, the country who's flag is the headless body, covered in white)
am i being hpyocrite if i condone one war attracity and yet say 'Fuck No' to everything else? Sure thing! when OBL did his evil, i totally turned my dislike of things islam to 11. the more that die on that part of the world, the less that can be a threat to me (and everything important to me). Do i feel sorrow when i see images of woman with mutilated limbs?
oh yes. Sorrow for towelheads, however?
not a chance in hell...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So if they start pissing on our war dead it'll be okay with you? tit for tat and all that.
Guys, consider that thsi was not some act of war in battle- not some guy emptyng a clip into an enemy or whatever- these guys are in danger in the video- they're horsing around and having fun with it, even videoing it for posterity!
They're morons, and they disgrace both the United States and our military for doing this- and any argument of "well they do worse" falls flat: wrong is wrong. Period.
That being said, embarassing the country is not a crime unto itself and the focus on this pushed out more important news- like the US possibly kiling Iranian scientists withvia terrorist methods....of course, there's a lot of voices in Congress just salivating at the notion of invading Iran. It keeps their campaign contributors and their lobbist pals happy to feed the war machine.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"How does urinating on the dead corpse of an enemy fighter that was trying to kill you relate to the mass murder of 3000 innocent people or the barbaric castration and decapitation of our own troops?"
I was referring to the claim that "your morals dont mean shit when its war". If morality is not applicable as long as you think you're at war with someone, then those things must be okay.
"actually i can at least clarify things. [...] Sorrow for towelheads, however? not a chance in hell"
Ah, you're just racist. My mistake. I thought this was an entirely different sort of discussion. Never mind.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
I guess i should know better than to try and post honest Flameable topics without firefighting PPE at the ready. Racist? No, and leave it at that. Prejudicial? Yeah but so are you, to someone, some group, some nation. dont deny it because you can't, if you think logically and calmy about it.
Just lock the thread. I got more important things in my life (My fiancee, her minions) than worry about accusations. a bunch of marines managed to throw dirt on their country (again) is what i wanted to discuss, not why i dislike a group of people who changed my (portion of the) world and thus i hold forever in contempt....
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Bye, Pensive Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Even our enemy is useful to us because, in order to practice compassion we need to practice tolerance, forgiveness, and patience, the antidotes to anger.
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