JYAL XZNQYHDCQ BM V PLSFXVJ HHZ
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
ummmm
[ July 08, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
JYAL XZNQYHDCQ BM V PLSFXVJ HHZ
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X YZ
You got me man. I've have been spending the last 45 minutes trying to figure it out. I have failed.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
It's nasty, I won't deny that, but I still believe it is a valid code, or algorithm involving a specific mathematical property. I hope I haven't broken any 'unwritten rules' devising it...
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, assuming that this is a standard A=Z transliteration puzzle, then V has to be either A or I. But HHZ? What the heck could that be? The only word I can think of that starts with two of the same letter is "eel".
Posted by The_Evil_Lord (Member # 256) on :
Unless the word is written backwards - that would allow "All, Ass...". Obviously, there's more to this code than a simple swapping of letters. V = A doesn't lead to anything concrete; V = I seems equally useless. Yet V has to stand for one of these vowels... if only we could deduct one more letter, that would allow us to set up a matrix to crack it. Right now all we know is that 22 = 1, or 22 = 9.
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
I was having the exact same thoughts about this code Omega. I also considered the possibility that is is writtin backwards so HHZ might be ass or odd or boo. I suggest we concentrate on the 'BM' part. It can be, at, as, an, if, is, be, to.....
[ July 09, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
I've been a right bastard with this. But 'HHZ' will be translated into a word where the two H's represent different letters - yes different letters.
I'm sorry, this is a bit unfair, I don't know if it can be cracked unless you know 'where' to start.
Here is a clue. This is not a basic A-Z puzzle where certain letters replace other letters. Mathmatics is involved. But to such a degree, that anyone using this code to send a message would see different lettering schemes produced each time. It would of course work fine as long as the person at the other end knew the rules.
Posted by The_Evil_Lord (Member # 256) on :
quote:But to such a degree, that anyone using this code to send a message would see different lettering schemes produced each time.
You mean this message (so that, if I sent this to somebody twice in a row, the lettering scheme would not be identical)? Or different ones? There is no way (not without computers, anyway) to crack this message if your answer is yes to the second question, since the mathematics can be infinitely complex.
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
ohhhhh nice angel!!! hehe
Like the numeric representation of H is 8. H as the first letter of a word would maybe translate into 8x1 or 8 to the 1st power. The other H is the second letter and there for it would be like 8x2 or 8 to the second power. That way, one letter in a code can be translated into a number of different letters depending on it's position in the word. hmmmmmm facinating. I'm gonna continue to work on this.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Evil_lord: The answer is no on your question. 'This' particular message in the first post would be the same every time, but different messages would have entirely different code letter schemes representing the real letters. It sounds horrifically complex, and would be to crack, I myself wouldn't have a clue looking at it. But it was so very simple to devise, and would be equally simple to decode if one had the formula.
MIB: Yes, you're along the right lines absolutely.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Huh... so it probably has something to do with the location of the letter in the word or sentence...
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Yes, the first letter of the sentence is the key, in this instance 'J'
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
JYAL XZNQYHDCQ BM V PLSFXVJ HHZ
J=the number 10. It is the first number in a sentance that contains 26 letters. There are 26 letters in the alphabet, but that may be a coincedence.
J=10 there are 4 letters in the word, J being the first letter. Soooo I guess it would mean a set of numbers like 10,1,4 J is the 1st letter of a 4 letter word. I'm guessing you have to do some type of mathematical formula involving these numbers to get the correct letter. Simply adding, subtracting, multiplying, or dividing the numbers doesn't do squat. hmmmmmm.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
J does equal 10. 26 letters in the sentence/alphabet is a coincidence.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
So, the thing about different messages being coded differently... Does that mean that another message starting w/ the same letter as this one would not necessarily start w/ 'J' when encoded?
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
If for instance this first letter 'J' represented the letter 'X' (which it doesn't), any other message at all that started with an 'X', would also be represented in the code as a 'J'. But this though doesn't mean that all others 'J's' in the message refer to 'X'.
Confused? If this code were devised by anyone else so I would I be.
You got me man. I've have been spending the last 45 minutes trying to figure it out. I have failed.