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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shik: [QB] I always wondered if [i]Ti-Ho[/i] was a phonetic misspelling of [i]Taiho[/i]. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,7,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:39 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Since we're having fun with Franz, how about Shane? Lots of us own "Mr Scott's Guide", and some, like me, dislike its deifying view of the Trek universe and liberal assumptions of its history and tech. No as much as James Dixon, though, who has written a lengthy nitpick list of the book:<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Crater/2077/shanes.txt" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Crater/2077/shanes.txt</a> <br /><br />I found much of what this document criticizes to be true, although a lot of it is just as objective as Johnson (not liking the drawing style, etc.). By the end, Dixon has grown quite disillusioned with the book and doesn't hesitate to express how rotten he thinks the book is. <br /><br />Whip out your old Guides, folks! Thoughts?<br /><br />Mark <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,8,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The historical and technical context of the accompanying articles was so ludicrous as to be completely worthless. The <i>Enterprise</i>-A had a transwarp drive? Ha!<br /><br />Overall, I thought that the drawings were decent, although there were certainly some oddities.<br /><br />Without knowing much about the other tech sources, but one thing I always thought seemed weird was having the warp core extending all the way through the upper neck of the ship... sure, it would explain the big crystal near the impulse engines, but why would they need the intermix chamber to extend THAT far?<br /><br />Overall, I would consider Scotty's Guide to be even less useful than FJ's publication, because there are so many more contradictions. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Peregrinus</b> <br /><small>Member # 504</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,9,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, Shane does use the FASA/Spaceflight Chronology timeline, which is way off from the official chronology, and even further off from mine.<br /><br />The original graphics on the bridge at the end of Star Trek IV were indeed labelled "transwarp". Between IV and V, they changed their minds and decided transwarp should be a failed project and the E-A only "ever" had conventional warp drive.<br /><br />In the refit, the impulse engines are powered by the M/ARA, along with the phasers and warp drive.<br /><br />His food dispenser is a little kludgy for the period.<br /><br />His hand phaser is inaccurate, but pretty good considering there's almost NO reference material for the actual prop they ended up using in the film. All the pictures of the prototype(s) aren't quite what we ended up with.<br /><br />His depiction of the shuttlecraft is just about spot-on to what Andy intended.<br /><br />And I give him high marks for trying to correct the mistakes of TMP (too-tall turbolift car, rec deck that won't fit in the saucer, torpedo launcher complex, etc.). But there's just nothing we can do about the corridor outside Main Engineering -- the one that goes shooting off out of the secondary hull somewhere in the sensor/deflector cowl.<br /><br />--Jonah<br /><br />P.S. His use of the name <i>Ti-Ho</i> for the ship that became the E-A was in tribute to a friend of his (who came up with the name and notion) who died, so I happily include it in my ship lists as one of the vessels considered for the new <i>Enterprise</i>, along with the <i>Levant</i> (Fandom) and the <i>Atlantis</i> (FASA). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,11,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:11 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I always wondered if <i>Ti-Ho</i> was a phonetic misspelling of <i>Taiho</i>. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>johnny otter</b> <br /><small>Member # 1841</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,11,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:47 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, I've always liked the book, ever since I spotted it a Barnes & Noble in the late 90's. I liked it so much, in fact, that I electronically transcribed it (correcting the dates to match Okuda's timeline and making small changes to mollify some of Dixon's complaints) and posted it to the old rec.arts.startrek.tech newsgroup. Looking back, I'm not sure why the hell I did it, but my postings are still there, archived in google's groups section.<br /><br /> <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.startrek.tech/msg/c7c790348e181b6b" target="_blank">part one</a> <br /> <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.startrek.tech/msg/c22d89742da9db31" target="_blank">part two</a><br /> <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.startrek.tech/msg/343127066a0ab02b" target="_blank">part three</a><br /> <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.startrek.tech/msg/10bcf91c4c37613c" target="_blank">part four</a> <br /><br />Overall, I thought the dates and role playing nomenclature were what hampered it most. Shane Johnson (unlike FJ) was a dyed in the wool Trek fan, and I think his love of the franchise shines through into the end product.<br /><br />Also, there is a great interview with Johnson in regards to Mr. Scott's over at <a href="http://www.trekplace.com/shanejohnson.html" target="_blank">trekplace</a> that may clear up some of your misconceptions. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,11,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:50 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">But there's just nothing we can do about the corridor outside Main Engineering -- the one that goes shooting off out of the secondary hull somewhere in the sensor/deflector cowl.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/245/engineering.jpg" target="_blank">Sure</a> there is.<br /><br />Also, the Rec Deck could be moved to the center of the saucer, its windows replaced by wiewscreens and the exterior windows now representing the lounge in which Kirk, McCoy and Spock have a few laughs. The turboshaft layout at Rec Deck would make more sense then as well.<br /><br />Auxiliary control also needs reworking in order to fit in, and some of the artwork could be accuratized. Okudaic dates, transwarp-be-gone, aft-torpedo-tube-be-gone, and we get a pretty valid manual.<br /><br />Perhaps something on the up to four torpedo decks, too. <a href="http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/245/twintorp.jpg" target="_blank">Side-by-side bays</a>, and scaling be damned? <br /><br />Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,11,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:56 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The original graphics on the bridge at the end of Star Trek IV were indeed labelled "transwarp". Between IV and V, they changed their minds and decided transwarp should be a failed project and the E-A only "ever" had conventional warp drive.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Huh... I never knew that. And since the book was published after TVH but before TFF, this inconsistency is hardly the book's fault. I can accept that.<br /><br />Also, I've always wondered just where the hell any aft torpedoes would have to be in the first place? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Peregrinus</b> <br /><small>Member # 504</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,11,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> THAT'S IT!!! The Doctor helped the Federation design the <i>Enterprise</i> refit using Gallifreyan TARDIS technology!<br /><br />--Jonah <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,29,12,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:16 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Peregrinus:<br /><strong> The original graphics on the bridge at the end of Star Trek IV were indeed labelled "transwarp". Between IV and V, they changed their minds and decided transwarp should be a failed project and the E-A only "ever" had conventional warp drive.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, they weren't. Johnson confirmed in <a href="http://www.trekplace.com/shanejohnson.html" target="_blank">this interview</a> that he and Okuda altered the graphics and added the transwarp references for the book.<br /><br />-<b>MMoM</b> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>HerbShrump</b> <br /><small>Member # 1230</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,30,10,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 30, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I love how Dixon uses apocryphal/non-canon material to bash/contradict other apocryphal/non-canon material.<br /><br />What, the people who put out the FASA games were no less fans than the ones that put out the Trek Log Books?<br /><br />Sheesh. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,30,11,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 30, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> James Dixon is a seriously disturbed individual. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Peregrinus</b> <br /><small>Member # 504</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,30,13,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 30, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:06 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Peregrinus:<br /><strong> The original graphics on the bridge at the end of Star Trek IV were indeed labelled "transwarp". Between IV and V, they changed their minds and decided transwarp should be a failed project and the E-A only "ever" had conventional warp drive.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, they weren't. Johnson confirmed in <a href="http://www.trekplace.com/shanejohnson.html" target="_blank">this interview</a> that he and Okuda altered the graphics and added the transwarp references for the book. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Funny... He told me directly by e-mail that Mike chastised him in the public arena for "altering" his graphics, but that after Shane called Mike and basically told him to stop trying to revise his own work, Mike "remembered" that he had indeed originally created the graphics as saying transwarp. Watch the end of Star Trek IV carefully. Hell, you can even see it in the pictures in MSG. The length of the words exactly matches whats illustrated in MSG.<br /><br />--Jonah <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MrNeutron</b> <br /><small>Member # 524</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,6,5,16,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 05, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:20 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I've mentioned this before, but the suit up room (where Spock neck pinched the guy) as drawn in the book is fairly inaccurate, and you can tell this just by looking at the scene. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,6,6,21,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 06, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:53 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> While the book needs some work (particularly that annoying Transwarp nonsense), it was one of the first things that made me love Trek and so it's cool in my mind's eye.<br /><br />My Johnson has posted over at SSM on sevral occasions to get feedback on updating/expanding the old Guide and correcting the glaring errors.<br /><br />As to the (much needed but definitely <i>not</i> present) aft torpedo launcher, I always thought that useless bump directly beneath the shuttlebay would be a good place for one.<br />The aft/Z axis of the ship is poorly covered by only the "belly phasers" after all. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,6,6,23,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 06, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:<br /><strong> <br />My Johnson has posted over at SSM on sevral occasions to get feedback on updating/expanding the old Guide and correcting the glaring errors.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's a clever Johnson you have there! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,6,7,0,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 07, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:25 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, it sings and wags when it's happy.<br /><i>Always</i> getting me into trouble. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Guardian 2000</b> <br /><small>Member # 743</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,6,8,4,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 08, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:51 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Wrong book. That's from <i>Captain Kirk's Guide to the Enterprise</i>. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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