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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shik: [QB] The token Mexican crewman shows the Chancellor of the Council how to make nachos. In lieu of finding a cheese grater, he uses the Chancellor's head. Chaos & hijinks ensue. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>HappyTarget</b> <br /><small>Member # 670</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,0,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:09 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> might be that after we rescue them and return them to their home world, we send them a get well basket filled with those adroable, ravenous balls of fur, TRIBBLES!!! This causes a major diplomatic incident and causes a cold war to develop. Feel free to post your own ideas as to what causes the animosity between the Feds and the Klinks. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Siegfried</b> <br /><small>Member # 29</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,0,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:44 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think it all comes down to some poor human admiral accidentally asking the Klingon chef for some ketchup to put on his g'agh. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>David Templar</b> <br /><small>Member # 580</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,0,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:57 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think the Federation applied the "speak softly and carry a big stick" philosophy when dealing the Klingons... And you know how Klingons reacts to being talked to softly. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> <br /><small>Member # 38</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,1,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:18 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Porthos took a leak on the floor of the Great Hall.<p>[ July 18, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]</p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,7,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I thought that in Ent, we didn't HAVE a 'big stick.' I thought the Klingons were supposed to be much older than us and, like, a shitload more powerful! As in, like, Empire??? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,8,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:44 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The token Mexican crewman shows the Chancellor of the Council how to make nachos. In lieu of finding a cheese grater, he uses the Chancellor's head. Chaos & hijinks ensue. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>HappyTarget</b> <br /><small>Member # 670</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,11,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:28 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> All very funny replies. Keep em comin! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Ryan McReynolds</b> <br /><small>Member # 28</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,16,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:<br /><strong>I thought that in Ent, we didn't HAVE a 'big stick.' I thought the Klingons were supposed to be much older than us and, like, a shitload more powerful! As in, like, Empire???</strong><hr></blockquote><p>What is it about the term "empire" that implies age or strength? England controlled the "British Empire," yet I don't recall them conquering planets in powerful starships... The Klingon Empire could easily consist of one planet alone, even in TNG (not that I'm saying it does, but it <i>could</i>). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,17,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:31 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> At the time of Enterprise, Earth is an extremely young and fragile civilization. We are only just beginning to explore deep space. We are only just beggining to step out from behind the shadow of our savage, war-torn, barbaric past, and the shadow of our teachers and mentors, the Vulcans. We are weak and untried in the interstellar forum. We are newcomers, explorers, and students.<p>The Klingons have always seemed to me to have been much better established in the Galaxy than us. They were a great empire centuries before we even developed warp drive. They are warriors, hunters, and conquerors.<p>The Klingons have always been portrayed as our one truly worthy opponent. The only dudes who could stand up to us, and give us a real run for our money. Up until STVI, they could have kicked our asses anytime! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,17,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "The Klingons have always been portrayed as our one truly worthy opponent."<p>And the Romulans were what? Chopped liver? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,17,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> P.S.<p>The term 'Empire' implies a kingdom in which a highly-developed governmental and heirarchical (sp???) system has evolved. It usually implies a state in which one nation controls several others. It often implies rule by an Emperor and/or Empress. Pre-revolution Russia was an Empire. Ancient Japan was an Empire. Rome was an Empire. Napoleon's France was an Empire. Great Britain was an Empire. (And was powerful indeed. Ever heard "The sun never sets on...?" Well, it was true. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> )<p>P.P.S.<p>PsyLiam: No, the Romulans too. The Klingons and the Romulans. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"><p>[ July 18, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]</p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,20,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:10 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Of course, many of those nations are called empires because their leaders said "Hey, guess what? I want to be called emperor from now on." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,18,21,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote>"England controlled the 'British Empire,' yet I don't recall them conquering planets in powerful starships..."</blockquote><p>No, but they conquered countries in powerful seaships.<p><blockquote>"And the Romulans were what? Chopped liver?"</blockquote><p>Up until TNG, yeah, pretty much... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,19,5,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:54 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I dunno. They seemed pretty powerful in The Enterprise Incident. They had ships that were as good as the Klingons, and could cloak. And ladies captaining fleets, while poor old Starfleet still hasn't given a female captainship of a measly little starship. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,19,11,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 19, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:04 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Romulans have always been a powerful Empire as well. They just keep to themselves a bit more than the Klingons. They sort of play it low key most of the time. <p>But, suppposedly are first Interstellar war was with them, though I don't know how that little event will be mutilated by Ent...<p>Actually, right from TOS, the Rommies were supposed to be our main opponents, NOT the Klingons. However, since TOS Klingons required less makeup (=money) they beefed up the Klingon's part in the show. (Kind of ironic, isn't it, that the only reason Klingons BECAME major characters in Trek was because they didn't require heavy makeup. Now look at them!)<p>But anyways, the Romulans are certainly not chopped liver. It more just a difference in foreign policy. They're kind of like the Imperial Japanese, who isolated themselves and their culture while still remaining powerful. The Klingons are more like the Soviet Union, which made many conquests over along period of time, growing to be extremely powerful, and then eventually collapsing from sheer excess of political, governmental, and financial burden.<p>By the movie era, and continuing on into TNG, the Klingons had sort of had their day, and were therafter sort of 'watered down,' not so much a threat anymore. (Of course, they later became our allies.) But Ent should show them in their prime, in their heyday when they were just about the baddest mother f*ckers in the Galaxy.<p>IMHO, of course. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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