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[QUOTE]Originally posted by PsyLiam: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Peregrinus: [qb] Well, golly. Forcefields instead of spacesuits, and even more distinctly alien crew members I thought [i]did[/i] kind of represent a noticable shift from the previous three years...[/qb][/QUOTE]That's not shaking up a series. That's making minor tweaks that don't amount to anything at all. There were no story avenues that the forcefields allowed that would have been prevented if they'd have used spacesuits. And having alien crew members would have been interesting if they'd actually had personality. They didn't. They were eye candy, such as it was. The "status quo" remained well and truely static. [QUOTE][qb]No, dippo. By jumping 75 years forward from the time period we'd [i]been[/i] mucking about in. By giving us a ship over twice as long and many times more massive than the one we were familiar with, that held a crew of over a thousand instead of the ~430 of the original. With families and children and so on. Jesus.[/QUOTE][/qb]Yes, and all that was done in the pilot. But, again, you're listing stuff that had no relevence on story. If the ship had been half the size, would it have affected a single story of the seven season run? No. If it had had a crew of 430 instead of 1014, would it have made a difference to a single story? No? Hell, even the families only provided, what, about 7 stories in total? That's hardly earth shattering for a series that numbered over 150. Especially since most of the kid ones were, well, crap. [QUOTE][qb]And I think the introduction of the Borg, and their later abduction of Picard, were a bit beyond "refinement of concept".[/QUOTE][/qb]No. It was a story element. Picard was a borg for two episodes. It was mentioned again in "I, Borg". It was touched upon in "Decent". That's it. 5 episodes. That's not shaking up the status quo. Not like the Dominion, who were in a large number of episodes, and who eventually ended up shaping the course that the series took. Season 6 of DS9 would have been very different if the Dominion hadn't been introduced. Season 6 of TNG would have been identical without the Borg. Shaking up the status quo would have been killing Picard. Shaking up the status quo would have been devestating the Federation (and no, a handful of mentions of a weakened Starfleet in season 4 don't count). Shaking up the Status Quo would have been having Riker turn evil for a season, turning Troi into a witch while making her have a lesbian relationship and then making HER turn evil, or introducing Picard's sister who is actually a key to, er, something or other. [QUOTE][qb]And while getting home was indeed an important consideration, and something to keep in mind -- didn't these retards join Starfleet in the first place so they could explore? The mood needed to be more "We're on our own... Cool!" rather than "We're on our own... Angst!"[/QUOTE][/qb]Are we watching the same show? Because a large number of ones I saw didn't even mention the fact that the crew were a billion quillion miles away from home. And everyone seemed to be pretty happy, too. [QUOTE][qb]Yes. I don't like the new [i]Enterprise[/i]. I hate the new Borg. I hate the Borg Queen. I don't like the new uniforms. I hate the way they portrayed Cochrane. I hate the bad narrative jumps. I liked the Phoenix, the spacesuits, and the phaser rifles, and that's about it.[/QUOTE][/qb]*shrug* You have different taste. I'd point out that the Borg were scary and the uniforms were much cooler than the old ones, but it's just a matter of taste. Obviously, yours is wrong. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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