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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boris: [QB] You're again talking to me if as if my argument was "B5 had 100% realistic dialogue.", That's not my argument. Assume for a moment that a piece of dialogue is .05% realistic. What I said was that if you spend too much time on it, it becomes .04% realistic. And regardless of what Mike O'Hare says about how *good* the dialogue was (I was rather speaking about realism, i.e. "I ascended" vs. "I got up"), to that I can only say that B5 won two Hugo Awards in a row. Only TOS of all the Star Trek series had managed the same feat ("The Menagerie", "City on the Edge of Forever"), while TNG won two awards but not in a row ("Inner Light", "All Good Things"). Here are the candidates for 1996, when "The Coming of Shadows" won: Apollo 13 (Universal) Brian Grazer, producer; Ron Howard, director; William Broyles Jr. and Al Reinert, screenplay "The Coming of Shadows" (Babylon 5 Warner Brothers) J. Michael Straczynski, Douglas Netter, John Copeland, producers; J. Michael Straczynski, screenplay; Janet Greek, director "The Visitor" (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Paramount Television) Rick Berman and Ira Steven Behr, executive producers; Michael Taylor, screenplay; David Livingston, director Toy Story (Buena Vista) Ralph Guggenheim and Bonnie Arnold, producers; John Lasseter, director; Joss Whedon, Andrew Stanton, Joel Cohen, and Alec Sokolow, screenplay 12 Monkeys (Universal) Charles Roven, producer; Terry Gilliam, director; David and Janet Peoples, screenplay And here are the candidates for 1997, which is when "Severed Dreams" won, while two more B5 eps could've been nominated if JMS had wanted that: Independence Day (Centropolis Film Productions/20th Century Fox Film) Directed by Roland Emmerich, Written by Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich, Produced by Dean Devlin Mars Attacks! (Warner Bros.) Directed by Tim Burton, Written by Jonathan Gems, Produced by Tim Burton and Larry Franco Babylon 5 "Severed Dreams" (Warner Bros.) Directed by David J. Eagle, Written by J. Michael Straczynski, Produced by John Copeland Star Trek: First Contact (Paramount Pictures) Directed by Jonathan Frakes, Story by Ronald D. Moore, Brannon Braga & Rick Berman, Screenplay by Ronald D. Moore & Brannon Braga, Produced by Rick Berman Star Trek: Deep Space Nine "Trials and Tribble-ations" (Paramount Pictures) Directed by Jonathan West, Written by Ronald D. Moore & Rene Echevarria, Story by Ira Steven Behr & Hans Beimler & Robert Hewitt Wolfe, Executive Producers Ira Steven Behr & Rick Berman. Based upon the original series Star Trek episode The Trouble with Tribbles by David Gerrold. Note: Two Babylon 5 episodes, "War without End" and "Z'Ha'Dum," received enough votes to be nominated but J. Michael Straczynski declined. This is as objective as we get as far as the quality of B5 writing is concerned. While it probably isn't the best writing in the world, it does seem it's better than that of Voyager or DS9 at the time. DS9 wasn't even nominated in the following years, while B5 was, in 1999 ("Sleeping in Light") -- only "Insurrection" competed with this episode. Hence, I don't see a problem with saying that the VOY/ENT crew could learn a thing or two about writing from B5's crew. After all, that's what B5 depended on -- it never had enough money to match the other shows' visual effects or other aspects of production. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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