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Posted by Trinculo on :
 
Timeline
Series begins in
Sept 2002
Sept 2000 (fasttrack)

Berman says: "I'm sure whatever we do next will be different, because we want the ability to do something that challenges us, and that takes change. Whatever the next television series, we hope its dramatically different but still embodies all the visions of Gene Roddenberry's idea of the future."

From I have been reading, Voyager is sinking fast and according to one rumer cancelled by December. I believe this is why there is a fasttrack date.
 


Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
Voyager is only sinking fast because of the lack of UPN primary affiliates.

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Posted by Trinculo on :
 
Voyager is sinking for many reasons. Elim Garak stated one. Another is the quality of the writing.
 
Posted by Simon on :
 
If they create a new series will it be able to avoid the curse of being on UPN?
 
Posted by Trinculo on :
 
To answer Simon's question, there is a debate among Mr. Berman and his associates wheter the show will syndicated or on a network.
 
Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
Quality of writing is a matter of opinion; the fact that they're losing affiliates is not. If Voyager was seen as much as DS9, it would have the better ratings, and not only because it's on network television.

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Posted by The Excalibur (Member # 34) on :
 
The writting has been bad at times, and pretty good at others, like the episode were it crashed into the Ice(class M) planet, and Chacotay says "Looks like they hit the planet at full Impulse". if they had hit at full Impulse, there wouldn't have been anything to find.

When The Rod was running things, they made mistakes. Now it seems they just don't care. Like the fact that they should be in the Beta Q by now. They don't want them there yet, so they ignore all that they themselves have written, and keep them in the Delta. I'm just glad Krenim went to the trouble of doing all the math.

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Posted by Trinculo on :
 
There are at least two camps on the Voyager issue: those who really like the show and those who really don't like the show. I happen to fall in the latter. However, out of respect, I will refrain from making snide and vicious remarks about the series, even if they are justified.

[This message was edited by Trinculo on June 03, 1999.]
 


Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Damn, I work for the stinkin paper and I didn't see it!

At any rate, they ran another article on DS9 which you can read here: Deep-Sixed 'Nine' Runs Out of Space.

And you can read the entire article that Trinculo mentions here: Keep On Trekking.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Our one person inside the organization, and he's behind. Don't let it happen again.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Indeed Master.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Excalabur, that's not a good example of poor writing. Saying they hit the planet at full impulse. That's not even the writers fault, that' Okuda and Sternbach's fault for not correcting the script.

Bad writing is not getting (what are essentially) unnecessary picky science details wrong. Bad writing is writing dull and monotonous stories.

One area DS9 has at least tried to improve is to cut down on tecnobabble. Behr has admitted to hating it. And ignores it when necessary. Look at 'Far Beyond the Stars'. A great episode, with almost no explanation given at the time. Does that make it bad? No.

Look at Cause and Effect (TNG). The shows premise, that getting blown up somehow brings everyone back to life and resets the ships clocks to 30 hours ago, is scientifically ludicrous. But its still a great story.

And on the distance thing. How many times in TNG did the Enterprise get out of communications range of Starfleet? To get out of communications range (enough so that replise would take a week)would require them to travel from the edge of the Federation for a good couple of months at maximum warp, which they obviously didn't do.
Likewise, has it ever, ever, EVER beed said (apart from the hints in STVI) that the Klingon Empire and Romulan Empires are actually IN the Beta Quadrant? In fact, has their ever been an official on-screen map showing where Voyager's actual position is? Their exact entry point in the Delta Quadrant? Until there is, you can't be exactly sure where they are. They haven't been travlelling in a straight line, they've gone back on themselves more that once, they've been hit by enough blue anomalies for them to start their own collection. Are you REALLY sure you know where they are?

And in the end run, none of that matters. Voyager's situation is a means to an end, telling good stories. Judge the stories for what they are, not on whether they've remembered that travelling at warp 7.1 is impossible within 1 light-yearof a subverton quardenar.

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Posted by JC2astro on :
 
Actually, in Year of H*LL, there WAS a map of Voyager's progress to date shown on the new Astrometric's lab.

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Posted by Cargile (Member # 45) on :
 
Common sense tells me that if you want to write a sci-fi story, know some freaking science. Or quit.

Full impulse, whether that be a quarter or half the speed of light, would not have only utterly vaporized Voyager, but cause grave damage to the planet it crashed on as well. For a line of dialogue to indicate such is blalant lack of attention to detail and should not be tolerated for a SCI-FI show at all. Incredibility is not favored upon.
 


Posted by JC2astro on :
 
Sorry for yelling....

First off, FULL IMPULSE IS NOT REAL! The only thing, which says what this phrase could mean, is the Tec manual, which is fan fiction, after all. (Ok, the guy works for the show, but he wrote the book as a FAN for a FAN. Personally, I could ramble and ramble about all the bad science in that book, like the author's "scientific explanation" for "full impulse," etc.) If the first officer said, "Looks like they hit the planet at 100,000 Km/S," then I'd be angry. The reason they used "full impulse" is because they don't know that much about science. That's why the writers used an ambiguous term.

Secondly, if the first officer said, �Looks like they hit the planet hard,� then none of us would be talking about this. The writing can be bad at times, but then the only person I know to be a good writer is good old Billy Shakespeare. Pesonally, I enjoyed the episode in question.

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
 
Nice to see you have returned, JC!

The "full impulse" line is a bit nit-picky.
what's unforgivable would be boring storylines, although thankfully recent efforts have been generally good.

*lone Voyager appreciator*

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Posted by JC2astro on :
 
Thanks Montgomery! Nice to know I was remebered.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
Monty, I appreciate Voyager, too!

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Posted by The Excalibur (Member # 34) on :
 
I still like the show too. I just don't think there is enough attention to detail. In an episode that was as good as "Timeless" that line stuck out . Voyager started off well with "Caretaker", "Parallax" and "Time and Again".It's low points have been really low points.

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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
 
*hopes new Trek is more like DS9 than TNG or Voyager*

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