During my hiatus from Solar Flare, I jump around to a few other places. One question that came up was, would you like to see James T. Kirk return for another movie. My answer was no. Even though I still prefer Star Trek to it's successors, I think their time is past. There are a lot of things they could conceiveably do with the cast members who are already in the right time frame, and I could even buy Sulu and his crew coming through time, but Kirk is dead, and bringing Spock back to life was, well one dead guy coming back is enough for me.
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Posted by Jedi Weyoun (Member # 110) on :
NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO MORE JAMES T. KIRK!!! NO MORE EGO INFLATUS!!! NO MORE WILLIAM SHATNER!!! PPUUUUUUHLLEEEEEEEEEZZEEEE??!?!?
*L* please?
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Posted by Jdogg on :
No, I would prefer Kirk stayed dead. Who I really want to see again in a movie is Spock. That "Reunification" people have been kicking around since First Contact actually sounds like a great picture. With the righ writers that could be a real classic.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
I like him, but he's gone. No future Trek there, in my opinion.
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Posted by Golden Phoenix on :
No, thank you. I think that today's Star Trek actors permit us to know and understand more profoundly their characters. A good example of this is the character Quark played by Armin Shimerman.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Well, that's probably because nowadays we get to see their characters develop for seven years straight, rather than over three short years followed by a 10-year hiatus, then two hours every 2-3 years or so.
If anybody, it would have to be Spock. Kirk's dead, De is gone, and nobody else is really viable (Okay, Scotty's still around, but who'd focus a movie around Scotty??)
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Posted by Jedi Weyoun (Member # 110) on :
*raises hand* James Doohan is cool. So is the Scotty character. I should know. I met him. Have the photo to prove it. hehehehehehehe. :-) I'll post it if i can get it uploaded.
hey.......that'd make a fun capcom....*LOL*
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Doohan: "Wait a minute; you look like that lovely yound lady I posed with a half hour ago..."
Weyoun: "No, no, no. That was Darth Weyoun, the pleasant Jedi! My clone!"
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
I am so sleepy at three in the afternoon, that I can't recall the name of the book at the moment. It's about the first voyage of the 1701-E. Captain Bateman, formerly of the Boseman, is in command, picard was sent on a mission to retrieve prisnors from Gul Madrid. The point to all this is that Bateman and Scotty are old friends, and Scotty is in the engin room of the E for this voyage. The book wasn't bad, but I didn't like the way Ms Carey portrayed Bateman. insert Ship of the Line /insert Diane Carey used to be one of my favorite Trek book writers, but I haven't liked the last two of hers that I read as much as the older ones.
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Posted by Jedi Weyoun (Member # 110) on :
*LOL@Garak*
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Posted by Chimaera on :
You're dead, Jim
My answer to having Kirk return would be the same answer I gave to the poll question asking whether Leonardo De Caprio should play Annakin Skywalker in the next Star Wars: NO NO NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO.
Actually, I recall seeing a book in a local bookstore that brought Kirk back, as a clone or something. The story on the inside flap sounded a little goofy.
Although I wouldn't mind Spock or Scotty coming back, if even for a cameo. Perhaps Spock with a Romulan story would work well.
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
The book you are talking about is probley The Return where Kirk was reanimated with Borg Nanoprobes. Not a bad book.
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Posted by Jedi Weyoun (Member # 110) on :
oh gawsh....PUHLEEEEEEZE tell me that was just a joke and Lucas is not actually considering casting DiCaprio???????????????????????? *squeals in horror*
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Posted by HMS White Star (Member # 174) on :
As well as I can recall is that Lucas said he could use Jake Lloyd, in his next movie because he is only going to be 13 and he needs a 20 year old person. So it is possible that Leonardo might be Anakin, but then I wouldn't watch Episode 2 and I would get really pissed, and well, it wouldn't be pretty .
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
I read somewhere the other day, that DiCaprio turned the role down. All I've seen him in was Titanic, and I liked that, as far as I'm conserened, he could have played Anikin.
I remember you, White Star. But we've gone through a board or so since you've been gone. Have you been around at all since SFCR? Anyway, welcome back.
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Posted by Jedi Weyoun (Member # 110) on :
Ugh...*shudders*
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Which book brought back Jim Kirk again? I read the one Bill Shatner wrote called "The Return" with the Borg and the Romulans joining forces. Is there another one I haven't read, maybe the aformentioned "ST: TNG Ship of the Line?"
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Kirk wasn't part of Ship of the Line, but there are some others. I don't know the titles.
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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :
If that Leo Moron is gonna be in Episode II, I'll boycott it.
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Posted by somms on :
original post:
quote:During my hiatus from Solar Flare, I jump around to a few other places. One question that came up was, would you like to see James T. Kirk return for another movie. My answer was no. Even though I still prefer Star Trek to it's successors, I think their time is past. There are a lot of things they could conceiveably do with the cast members who are already in the right time frame, and I could even buy Sulu and his crew coming through time, but Kirk is dead, and bringing Spock back to life was, well one dead guy coming back is enough for me.
Why not cast someone as Kirk's offspring many generations past...and make him have that old-school Starship Captian mentallity?
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
William Shatner has written three books following "The Return", both of which feature Captain Kirk, as chance might have it. "Avenger", "Spectre", and the new one, the name of which eludes me.
And my mom is the one who likes them. Honest!
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Somms: First, Welcome. I don't think a Kirk decendent would work. For one thing, the only offspring we know of died. And I'm afraid it would be cheesey. I wouldn't mind seeing the Enterprise-B crew once in a movie.
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
In the Role-Playing game I run, I play a never-mentioned-on-screen other nephew of Kirk, who happens to be a security officer / intelligence operative, and who is cursed with a variation of J.T.K.'s famous "luck" (in this universe, "luck" is a viable factor, that has actual influence: some people are lucky, others are not. AFAIK, nobody has negative luck, but I might be wrong about that.),
This Kirk is constantly having disasters occur around him (of rather, he "happens" to be where they happen. Anybody he's physically with, however, stands an excellent chance of survival. People he becomes emotionally attatched to, on the other hand... tend to drop like flies. He's a championship-level player at poker and virtually all games of chance. He knows he's lucky, somehow, but not why or what it means.
I came up with this character almost immediately after listening to Sting's "Shape of My Heart" off the Ten Summoner's Tales album. Good song.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
He sounds like Domino.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Sting. . . Captain Kirk. Sting. . . Captain Kirk. *in entranced by the sheer brilliance of this process of logical extrapolation*
(NOT!) 8�
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
(sting mode) I WILL KILL HIM (/sting mode)
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
I am reviveing this thread, because I was pokeing around Trekbbs and happened into a Bring Back Kirk thread. These people have totally lost it. They not only want Kirk back, they believe it will happen. If you disagree with them, you get toasted. I did some toasting of my own, "Get A Life", "Kirk is Dead, live with it", that type of thing. While it was good to get some of that off my chest, I painted myself into a corner, telling them I would stay out of the TOS forum there, which is the reason I went there anyway.
Just Ranting!!
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
"Just once, I would like to spit...on DiCaprio's royal head! Just some spittle, in his face... What a luxury..."
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Yes, they're over the deep end in there. I told them. They paid no attention.
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Their toasting you, when you were being reasonable, even almost agreeing , was one of the things that got me started, then I went into full power mode. I didn't say anything to get me kicked off the board, but I've had enough of the BBKers.
Nice quote Nimmy!
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Posted by TerraZ on :
DiCaprio as teenage Anakin? Over my dead body, but the worst thing is, I actually see a resemblance between him and young Ani... Am I going crazy?
By the way, "The return" s*cks big time! I bought it after a positive review in a magazine. Well, you can tell I'm never gonna trust anyone over novels ever again. As for the (post-mortem) continuing aventures of our good captain, it seems Shatner is desperatly trying to get his character back to fame. Well Will, it ain't gonnna happen.
On a side note, does anyone know when the "Enterprises" book is coming out?
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Never heard of that one, but I'll be looking now!!
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Is is all right I don't want to talk about DiCaprio?
I always liked the young Kirk, especially back in the 70's when I was a child and always wanted to be like him (rather than Spock). The older Kirk is okay too, if we forgive him his work for ST V and a few overly pathetic moments.
Nevertheless, I don't want to see Shatner again. Old Kirk is dead, maybe the young Kirk could be featured in some kind of "Flashback" episode, but the plot must be very original.
Kirk can't come back because they already killed him but he didn't actually die because he was in the nexus but then they killed him on Veridian 3. He can't come back.
Spock is gone too - so much so that Nimoy's doing adverts for Time Computers now.
Let them rest. They've given us great memories of Trek, but it's time to look to the future and what they're going to do about the next incarnation. I still think that after Voyager, they should have a break of about 2 or 3 years to create new and original storylines.
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
It is established that Spock and Scotty are in the right time to appear with the TNG crew. I could handle one of them being in a movie, or even both. It would be a great chance to use Sela again as well.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I would definately like to see Spock again. He's literally a living legend.
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I think Spock should be in the next movie, too. Since it'll probably be the last one with the TNG crew, I'd say they should go out with a bang. Something like ST6. Give them one last chance to save the Federation and reshape the political landscape in the quadrant. Something with the Romulans and the Reunification plot would be great, and give the producers an opportunity to bring in Spock AND maybe use Sela as the villan. It'd be nice to see Denice in at least one movie. Of course, if you eliminate the Romulan threat, you'll need to bring in the Borg more often. Gotta have at least one classic villan left.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The next TNG movie simply has to be the return of Q in all his mischevious glory.
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Yeah, but what can Q do, short of threaten all Humanity? Been there. Done that. Twice.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Seeing as how Q is an ommipotent being, I'd say the answer to that question is "anything".
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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
As much as DeLancie has meant to TNG, he deserves a movie.
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Posted by Dan (Member # 129) on :
Back to the original subject, I'd love to see Kirk back in Trek X, XI, XII, or whatever. The problem is does anybody know anyone who can do it right? That's the main concern. It worked great with Spock in Star Trek III because of that last scene in II and they had a writers in Nimoy and Bennett. So with Trek's curent roster, who's left? That's the problem. There aren't any more Harve Bennett's or Nick Meyer's that can truly make it work.
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Personally I think the movies really need someone like Nick Meyer (or hey, how about Nick Meyer himself). The next gen movies have not been particularly strong in the writing or directing departments. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Frakes is a bad director, I just believe that someone like Meyer could do a hell of a lot more with the weak scripts they've been churning out (or just write a better one- he did that fairly well too).
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