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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,5,17,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 05, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:49 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *Fade in to blackness. Faint Stars*<BR>*Chattering on comm frequencies is heard, much like during battle scenes in ST:FC*<BR>"...vessel is closing..."<BR>"..undred dead on the Exeter..."<BR>"Montana and Lexington destr..."<P>et cetera.<P>Silence.<P>Voice, similar to 'Riker' from 'Parallels': "The Federation's GONE! The Borg are EVERYWHERE!"<P>*pull back on a battered starship which has obviously seen much better days, limping through unknown star system.*<P>Voice-Over:<BR>"Captain's Log, Stardate _____._ (whatever, some years in the future). It's been two years since the Final Borg Invasion. Two years, since we lost it all.<BR> "We are, as far as we know, the last Starfleet ship in the galaxy. The sole survivors, of all our worlds."<BR> "These are the logs... of the Starship Endeavor. It's mission...."<BR> "TO SURVIVE."<P>*Heavy-Percussion military rush music, followed by plaintive french horn coda.*<P>So, how bad is this?<P>------------------<BR>Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,5,19,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 05, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Ooh!<P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://fabrux.virtualave.net" TARGET=_blank>Chris's Home Page</A><BR>"Look out, muppets!"<BR>-Sgt. Joe Friday, <I>Dragnet</I><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,0,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:34 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hm... It could be an okay idea, but the captain probably wouldn't make a log entry that sums everything up so nicely like that. :-)<P>------------------<BR>"...more people buy Harry Potter novels than the works of Alexander Pope, but that's no measure of their quality."<BR>-Tom Aylward-Nally, December 29, 1999 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Harry</b> <br /><small>Member # 265</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,4,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Federation can't be totally destroyed.<BR>It's a canon fact that it existed in the 29th century.<P>It is highly unlikely that (if the UFP was gone) they could have rebuilt it from scratch with only one ship.<P>------------------<BR>So small,<BR>So innocent, so young, So delicately done<BR>Grown up in your poison.<P>"Little Baby Swastikkka"<BR>-Skunk Anansie <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dane Simri</b> <br /><small>Member # 272</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,5,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This idea is beyond excellent! If Paramount doesn't make this into a series, I'll quit watching Trek forever. <P>First of Two, may I ask your permission to use this scenario as the foundation for an on-line RPG?<P>(Oh, and Prakesh, I've thought of about fifteen ways for the Federation to rebuild after an almost total defeat like this just since I read your reply... and I'm no Brannon Braga; those kind of things are his specialty!)<P>------------------<BR>Dane<P>"...and there was war in heaven..." The Bible, Revelation 12:7<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Dane Simri (edited January 06, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,8,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:24 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I too like the premise alot. If I may suggest a few amendments that might make it a little more like something Paramount (in its finite wisdom) might do.<P>Paramount will never wipe out the Federation or take it out of the show completely. After 3 years of no Fed on Voyager, they had to start doing shows with the Alpha Quad in it. I would suggest that the ship is way the hell out there, cut off from any other ships. I realize this cuts some of the dramatic punch your idea has. Maybe the ship could be one of the FEW ships left or be trapped in the alternate quantum reality where the long-beard Riker was from trying to get out.<P>Just some humble suggestions. I really like the idea.<P>Since this seems as good a place as any, may I post the opening tag for my idea? (I bet this whole thing is going to get moved to the Creativity Forum anyway but...)<P>*Female Voice*<BR>Space...the frontier.<P>And from its depths came the galaxy's most loathsome enemy...the Borg!<BR>* At this point the starfield begins to be filled by a slow moving closeup of the underside of a Borg ship like in FC*<P>They have killed and destroyed and brought terror to us all, and we have fallen back. Not again!<P>The stakes are laid, the line has been drawn, and we will make them pay for what they have done...<P>*A definant class with other ships close behind zooms in with cannons blazing and punches a hole through the Borg ships destroying it. From the fire and ashes appear the words...*<P>STAR TREK: COMBATANT<P>The series would be about a small fleet of ships lead by the Defiant class Combatant on a dark ops mission to seek and destroy all Borg activity. They're headed for the Delta Quad so plenty of opportunity for exploration. Also the Prime Directive and many other regs have been recinded as they relate to the Fleet's battling the Borg. Basically anything goes!<P>------------------<BR>"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,10,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:15 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Dane: Yes, but if you do, I want to know what happens, as I'm considering adding this story to my own Trek RPG (non-online) arc. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>Prakesh: The future is fluid, not fixed. Who says that the timeline can't be altered?<P>Anyways, I also sort of objected to eliminating the Federation entirely. I suppose the seventh season could contain a story arc in which they finally return things to the status quo, but at some horrible cost.. but then, I hate reset buttons, too.<P>Or, they could always find a way to defeat the Borg, drive them out, and begin rebuilding. After all, the 29th-Century Federation never said how many planets it controlled or how many people were in it, or even if it were the same Federation as before. Funny how 29th century vessels only seem to pop up in the Delta quadrant...<P>------------------<BR>Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Alshrim Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 258</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,10,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:21 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I like it... but it should be an armada left .. not just a single ship.. KINDA like the Battlestar Galactica type of thing... There's like 5 ships left against them... that would be good.<P>------------------<BR>I feel more like I do now, then when I first got here!! :)<P>- Alshrim Dax<BR>The Other Dax;<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dane Simri</b> <br /><small>Member # 272</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,13,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:33 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Thanks, First... as I put things together, I'll keep you informed.<P>I really think this has a lot of potential. I'd agree that they're probably not the ONLY Starfleet ship left; there are still isolated pockets of resistance throughout what used to be the Federation, some planets that haven't been assimilated, perhaps even a Federation government in hiding... all of these things could be discovered throughout the seven-year run.<P>At first, it would probably be appropriate if they THOUGHT they were the only ones left... It would give them some time to search for other survivors, plus allow us to look at some familiar problems (such as the Prime Directive) from a much more desperate perspective. Plenty of possibilities.<P>As I thought about this today, it occured to me to put it, say, five to seven years AFTER Voyager returns to Alpha Quadrant... and have Seven of Nine as the First officer aboard the surviving ship. She'd be a perfect cross-over character for this concept.<P>------------------<BR>Dane<P>"...and there was war in heaven..." The Bible, Revelation 12:7<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Harry</b> <br /><small>Member # 265</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,14,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:20 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Let's call it the Federation Paradox.<P>------------------<BR>So small,<BR>So innocent, so young, So delicately done<BR>Grown up in your poison.<P>"Little Baby Swastikkka"<BR>-Skunk Anansie <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,14,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> These are some totally great ideas. I like the idea of Seven as a crossover character, and the Federation sort of being scattered. Neither the main ship in the story, nor any other ship or base would have the complete picture as to what's going on.<P>This would be a total departure from the Star Trek that we know, but I think that at the same time, it would give the writers a chance to explore the human adventure from a different angle. <P>------------------<BR>"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,15,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:59 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, yes, it was never my intention that they actually BE the only ship and survivors. That's why I made it "as far as we know" in the intro. That might change in later episodes. I was thinking about how they might later encounter other starfleet and alien ships, some of which might have taken different paths to get where they are, both in space and in ethics.<P>That was some of the question.. what such desperation, even worse than Voyager's, now that there IS no home to go to... what would happen to the Prime Directive, to Starfleet Protocols, to the chain of command, on a ship with a different captain?<P>What of the aliens?<BR>Did the Klingons all die a glorious death fighting the Borg, or are some who ran away still skulking around, and how would they react to being found?<P>What once-noble races might resort to piracy?<BR>How do the Ferengi deal with a race that doesn't deal?<BR>Whose side are the Romulans on?<P>Why didn't Q, or any other superrace, interfere?<P>etc.<P>------------------<BR>Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jaresh Inyo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,17,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:49 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Your concept is wonderful, similar to an idea I had several years ago for part of my series of stories. I argee that the number of possible stories are exciting, to say the least.<P>I propse a slightly different twist, however. I just don't like the idea of the Federation being destroyed. It just doesn't sit right. With what the Federation represents, it's utter destruction would probably not be a good message to send to the world. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>What I propose is that the ship, or ships, or small Armada, or whatever the hell we go with here, is part of a small division of Starfleet, the division that deals with mirror-universe crossovers. They operated far from the Federation core, since their research was hidden. After the Borg sweep through the Federation and assimilate it, the people begin trying to find a new universe. Meanwhile, the Borg are closing in on the, eager to assimilate the technology to travel between universes.<P>Their ultimate goal will be to make it through to the universe that we've been seeing, without bringing the Borg with them. If they succeed, we could have lots of neat moments, not unlike the one where happy, clean-shaven Captain Riker is confronted by desperate, wild-eyed Riker.<P>?<P>------------------<BR>"I promise you, Wilma, that not one man on this force will rest until the criminal scum that did this are behind bars. Now let's go get a bite to eat." - Frank Drebbin, Detective Lieutenant in Police Squad <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jaresh Inyo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,17,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:51 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I just remembered that happy Riker wasn't clean shaven, but at least his beard was well kept!<P>And great idea First!<BR><P>------------------<BR>"I promise you, Wilma, that not one man on this force will rest until the criminal scum that did this are behind bars. Now let's go get a bite to eat." - Frank Drebbin, Detective Lieutenant in Police Squad <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dan</b> <br /><small>Member # 129</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,6,21,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 06, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Ummm, this sounds a lot like Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda that in pre-production with Kevin Sorbo. Robert Hewit Wolfe is helping to develop the series so it should be pretty good. Let's hope it doesn't fall into the cursed Roddenberry 2nd Season that seems to plague all his series in the 90's.<P>------------------<BR>Daniel Henderson<BR>Senior Babylon 5/Crusade Editor<BR> <A HREF="http://www.myrkr.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.myrkr.com</A> <P>Contributing Writer<BR>Beyond Babylon<BR> <A HREF="http://www.b5mg.com/Beyond_Babylon" TARGET=_blank>http://www.b5mg.com/Beyond_Babylon</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,1,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Jaresh: I think you've just recreated <i>Sliders</i> in the Trek universe. :-)<P>------------------<BR>"...more people buy Harry Potter novels than the works of Alexander Pope, but that's no measure of their quality."<BR>-Tom Aylward-Nally, December 29, 1999 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,4,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:39 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's certainly an intriguing idea. But how do we get it to last longer than five minutes? It seems to me that if the Borg can overcome the Federation, a single ship or group of ships is doomed.<P>------------------<BR>"20th Century, go to sleep."<BR>--<BR>R.E.M.<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Harry</b> <br /><small>Member # 265</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,4,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:54 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe the Borg regard them as irrelevant.<P>------------------<BR>So small,<BR>So innocent, so young, So delicately done<BR>Grown up in your poison.<P>"Little Baby Swastikkka"<BR>-Skunk Anansie <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Montgomery</b> <br /><small>Member # 23</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,6,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:53 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> They probably wouldn't bother chasing down every last ship. They'd only assimilate it if they happened upon one and felt a bit bored.<P>But the Borg are perhaps too invincible a foe to be a recurring presence. It certainly means there'd be no "cackling villains" to steal scenes.<P>This is a mesh of Sliders/Star Trek/Battlestar and Andromeda.<P>A fifth series, realistically, cannot focus on a dismembered or destroyed Federation. Messes up the franchise too much. A cross-over character as a REGULAR would be a cop-out as well. I think series 5 should be stand-alone as TNG virtually was. A new time-frame would be nice, a new section of the galaxy too if possible. Voyager's Delta Quadrant only failed as an interesting theatre for drama because it was initially only full of (urgh!) Kazons.<P> <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"I cannot live out that life.<BR> That man is bereft of passion... and imagination!<BR> That is not who <I>I</I> am!"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dane Simri</b> <br /><small>Member # 272</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,12,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:23 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh, Montgomery... "A fifth series, realistically, cannot focus on a dismembered or destroyed Federation." Who ever said realism had to enter into the picture? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>Crossover character as a regular is a cop-out? There was this great little show called Deep Space Nine that had a crossover character from Next Generation for several seasons... Or do you think that was a cop-out too?<P>What class of ship would be best as the central ship here, do y'all think? I thought perhaps something completely new and state-of-the-art, OR something old, brought back into service, like an upgraded Ambassador or a variant.<P>I think to make the constant Borg threat constantly interesting, perhaps allow them some "quantum leap" technology-wise that gave them the strength to send the Federation reeling (perhaps even assimilate Earth!), but then, over time, let the Federation (with some outside help, perhaps) develop a defense against them. Spend the last two or three seasons in an arc that has the Federation regrouping for an offensive to take back their space. (I don't think this keeps writers from introducing new bad guys at any point, by the way.) <P>------------------<BR>Dane<P>"...and there was war in heaven..." The Bible, Revelation 12:7<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Saltah'na</b> <br /><small>Member # 33</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,12,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Dane: You posted the message three times....... May I remind you to hit the Post button only once, and it will do its work. It will take some time for it to go through, so be patient. Constantly hitting the Post key is only going to make things worse.<P>2 duplicates of your post have been deleted. Keep this in mind the next time you get a bad connection or something..... Thank you. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>I can resist anything.......<BR>Except Temptation<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Tahna Los (edited January 07, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,14,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:02 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Further conceptual visualizations, submitted for your approval.. or amusement...<P>I was thinking about a ship that hadn't been seen, that would have been brand new at, say, the time Voyager's 7th season ends, but by the time of the new show, has already seen a Year of Hell or two. Something not very large, but big enough to carry a sustainable crew population (assuming some will be killed off). Say... 300-400 or so. I would think the ship's tech should be an outgrowth of lessons learned during the Dominion War, as well as the previous Borg invasions. If we give a few years after Voyager (we assume) returns, there might even be time to incorporate a slipstream drive or minor aspects of Borg technology (adaptive shielding, etc).<P>I don't think the Borg would need to make a 'quantum leap' in technology to stomp on the Federation and its' allies... just send a half-dozen ships instead of one.<P>------------------<BR>Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TerraZ</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,14,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, as stated earlier, this would never make it on TV because of the major changes to the franchise. That's what fanfiction is for!<P>By the way, if the Borg becomes the main vilain, please don't bring back the Queen... I want machine-like Borgs whose main interest is assimilation period. No stupid Queenie searching for a mate, no plot to use a former drone to assimilate an insignificant planet (Earth in "Dark Frontier"). I want to see a Collective who thinks it's doing the galaxy a favor by "improving" it, just like it was represented in "The Best of Both Worlds"<P>------------------<BR>-If you ask me, I think continuity is highly overrated...<BR>*Brannon Braga*<P>-Where were you when the brains were handed out?<BR>*Sonic the Hedgehog* <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dane Simri</b> <br /><small>Member # 272</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,22,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> :: Dane feels stupid ::<P>Sheesh, Tahna Los, you could have sent me an email or something? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Dane<P>"...and there was war in heaven..." The Bible, Revelation 12:7<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>KXZ</b> <br /><small>Member # 119</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,23,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:29 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe in a future episode of Voyager, the collective will see an error in having a queen and absorb her into the rest of the collective.<P>------------------<BR>All hands, abandon ship! All hand, abandon...<BR>BOOM!<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,10,9,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 10, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:20 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This is gonna get us way off the subject, but I think the Queen is already absorbed into the Collective. I think she is a manifestation of the Collective's consciousness that exists within the Collective. She can be anywhere she wants with in the group. When she wants to witness something first hand, she has the drones constuct a body for her. This would explain how Picard could kill her and then she shows up again in the DQ to harass Janeway.<P>------------------<BR>"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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