Next galaxy...or universe.....or reality. There's a lot of ground to cover
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
From a strictly practical point of view, the Borg will never obtain their goal until the entire universe is one giant collective entity. As this would probably take more time then the universe has left, it seems unlikely to come to pass. (Though I wouldn't bet on the Milky Way staying non-Borg in the long run. ) However, we have seen, in Trek, the ascendancy of some species into higher order lifeforms, whatever that means. The Q seem to think that humanity has the potential to evolve to Q-like levels, but it seems to me that, given what we've seen before, the Borg are even more likely. If V'ger could do it, etc.
Having said that, I don't think the Collective would choose such an existance. Part of their nature is this missionary zeal to convert the universe, which means staying within it.
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Posted by MerloMo on :
Mucus, I mean EVERYTHING, including all galaxies, all universes, all realities. EVERYTHING. Then what?
Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
They throw a big 'assimilated the universe' bash. You know them Borg, they're wwwwiiilllld and cccrrraaazzzyyy guys!
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Posted by warbird5 on :
the Borg would not assimilate the universe. They probably have 20-30% of the milky way under their control, but that's still a long way from assimilating the Galaxy. once they assimilate this Galaxy, they have to go against whatever empire that controls the Andromeda Galaxy, the one's that tried to conquer the Federation during TOS.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
There's still the Magellanic Clouds and the nearby dwarf galaxies like Sagittarius and Leo to consider before you get to Andromeda.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
*LOL@UM's SNL quote*
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Posted by warbird5 on :
The Andromeda is still the Local group, The cluster of galaxies the Milky Way is in. The Andromeda is the nearest large Galaxy near us. Plus, we already know there's a powerful race in the Andromeda Galaxy and we know nothing of the species in the Large and Small megelanic clouds
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
Kosh thinks MerloMo asks some tough questions, but as Sol said, to much universe, so littl time.
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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
I would have to agree with too much universe not enough time.
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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
Ok.. Now how can something that wants perfection, and claims to be the sheer fabric of perfection strive for something they should know is impossible !?
Not that they see the passing of time the way we do.. I suppose they wouldn't really worry about the passage of time .. BUT.... If the Universe is infinite, how can they possibly think they will ever cover the entire universe...
They are living an impossibilty ! And in essense, their philosophy is FLAWED !
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Jim Kirk would have a field day with that one.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Actually, we are only assuming that the Borg Mission stretches to every corner of the universe. This is based on what little we actually know of them and their motives. As to what such a huge hive mind really desires...*shrug* Contact with another similar entity perhaps? Though I doubt that the arrogence of the Borg would allow them to get along, even with another hive mind. Still, who can say what thoughts get thunk in such a mind?
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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
In Voyager ... The Omega was said to be the Ultmate Perfection. I wonder: What if the Borg get their grubby little, cybernetic paws on 1 stable Molecule of Omega ... They would worship it like a God, and maybe cease everything, because they have acheived perfection ! Or would it just stregthen their resolve to assimilate everything in sight !
*shrug*
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm imagining that said particle would merely be added to their toolbox.
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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
It would be a monumental task, with the Federation and the Dominion, but they probably will succeed to assimilate the entire Milky Way, in the long run. Then, the only thing they can do, is to go to other galaxy's and assimilate those. PS: The Universe isn't really infinite. It's like walking around a globe: You never reach the end, so it looks infinite to you. But to an observer, it's definetely not infinite!
I like the idea of another Borg-like collective. However, I don't think they will fight eachother. They will combine to be even closer to Perfection
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
How do you know the Universe is not infinite?
You should quickly tell all of the Astromomers ands Scientists and Physicists who've spent their entire lives learning about the Galaxy!
They'll probably want to know!
------------------ I bet when Neanderthal kids would make a snowman, someone would always end up saying "Don't forget the big heavy eyebrows." Then they would all get embarrassed because they remembered they had the big hunky eyebrows too, and then they would get mad and eat the snowman.
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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
UM: I think he could have a point.. How do we know it is infinate. THo' I think it is !! (always the devil's advocate)
Ppl .. for millions of years thought the earth was flat !! Who's to say the universe isn't a type of planet in itself part of a great Extra-Universe??
Interesting concept, eh?
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, by definition, the universe is all there is. "Uni"-verse as opposed to, say, polyverse.
Of course, recent thinking in physics suggests that there is the possibility of other such structures, all adrift on the quantum sea of possibility. (To be flowery about it.) But in this case, it isn't so much a problem with our understanding of the universe, but merely with our semantics. Personally, as grammatically incorrect as it may be, I suggest we stick to universe, as polyverse suggests a reality totally dominated by Pauly Shore.
Ha ha!
Of course, in comics it is always called the multiverse, which lacks the rather poor pun.
At any rate, as far as I know, current thinking says that the universe is indeed a finite, closed system. But it is finite in such a way that if you were to travel in one direction, you would never hit the end. Though you might eventually return to where you started. For example, imagine a tribe of adventurous cavemen, who decide to travel to the edge of the Earth. They would never find it, no matter how many times they went around. They might conclude, after having traveled so far, that the Earth must surely be infinite. Today, we have the advantage of a perspective they were unaware of.
Hmm, I get the sense that I'm running away with the topic.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Well, they'd probably notice eventually. "Hey, didn't we go through that ocean a few months back?"
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
But they're cavemen.
------------------ I bet when Neanderthal kids would make a snowman, someone would always end up saying "Don't forget the big heavy eyebrows." Then they would all get embarrassed because they remembered they had the big hunky eyebrows too, and then they would get mad and eat the snowman.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Yes. Cavemen would never say "Didn't we go through that ocean a few months back?" They'd say "Ooga-booga thag walla bok dok bunga doo". :-)
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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
Sol .. You make a very interesting point .. So .. Perspectively speaking .. the universe could be round !!
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Posted by warbird5 on :
the Borg are not all that powerful, I'm guessing a Voth city ship probably can take on 10 or more cubes. The Federation can stop a full scale invasion of 600 cubes, assuming that Starfleet could organize all of their 30,000 or so ships and 50 ships to one cube. The doiminion could stop a Borg invasion of over 2100 cubes assuming that the Doiminion uses around 65,000 ships and 30 ships per cube. but after invasions of that scale, the Federation and Doiminion will cease to be major powers. realistically speaking, the Borg should be able to conquer the Galaxy within 2000-5000 yrs if they continue picking off 1 race at a time. A major coalition involving most of the races in the Galaxy should be able to take on the Borg easily.
Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
Problem is .. you kill one cube, another takes it's place .. and so on, and so on, until all 50 ships per cube are destroyed ... then more cubes come !!!!
The Borg have more cubes than ships of the Federation. The Federation had to send a full fleet to defeat ONE Borg Cube in FC ... Borg could send a fleet of its own, one cube for every ship. The Feds would be toast !
I'd love to see a movie about that !! A whole fleet of Cube comes to Alpha Quad - invades the Federation/sub-plot Voyager comes home in the midst of the war - contact Species 8472 - ally up with the devils .. and the Fed/8472 win the day !!
Cuz without 8472, the Feds would be the El Aurian all over again !
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Posted by warbird5 on :
i know the Borg have more cubes than the Federation have ships. Maybe not, i think the Borg habve somewhere between 10,000-15,000 cubes. Anyway the first Contact fleet was around 20-25 ships and most them were advanced ships
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
If the Borg use those temporal rift tricks more effective, the Feds wouldn't even know they were toast! Fly right back to WW2 for example, and assimilate the whole Earth. About the "what's-the-technologic-advantage-of-that" arguments: They would wipe out the most important member of the Federation! Maybe without us humans, the UFP would never have been formed!
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
The main problem is the Borg ability to adapt. Send fifty ships per cube, and you just give them that much more information to adapt with. One shot at each cube, and they'll have adapted to all your weapons. The key is to interrupt the collective consiousness. It's the only way to keep the adaptations from spreading from one ship to the rest of the collective.
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