What kind of possible future uniforms have we seen yet? I think 3. The first is the one from "All good things..." TNG and "The Visitor" DS9. The second is from "Relativity" VOY. And the third is worn by LaForge in "Timeless" VOY. (ok, this one is basicly the FirstContact Uniform with one of the future communicators) Have i missed one?
BTW, has anyone of you written a fanstory fitting in one of this timeframes?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Actually, I tend to think of the "All Good Things" uniforms as definate, not just possible. "The Visitor" established that those uniforms will come into use in a timeline relatively similar to ours. At least it was at the time of the episode. Now, however, there has been the Dominion War and the Klingons are our allies once again so things have diverged quite a bit more. At the time, though, I began to accept that those uniforms (odd as they are) are the future Starfleet look.
I don't know of any fiction, but you can see my tribute to the Relativity/ Future's End-style uniforms at my website shown below. It's in the Sci-Fi section.
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It wasn't a "real" timeline, but the alternative communicators/rank insignia (and lack of pips) worn in "Future Imperfect". Also glimpsed in an alternative timeline in "Parallels", although there they were with pips.
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
I don't seem to recall La Forge's from Timeless. I remember him having standard grey-shoulderd one.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
He did have the standard grey-shouldered one, but he had the communicator from "AGT..." and "The Visitor". Chakotay also had the same communicator, and it was on the box of that Borg unit.
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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
There were also some new uniforms made, but not used, for Generations, the first TNG movie. If I remember correctly, they weren't used because the producers didn't want to throw to much new stuff at the audience (i.e., our brains were too small).
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Posted by Savar on :
Masao stole my thunder... I too was going to mention the unused uniform design for Generations. I don't believe they were actually made, however. There were designs made and the Playmates Generations figures are wearing them. They looked to me to be a cross between the later TNG TV version and the Fletcher movie uniforms in that they seemed to be double-breasted with a flap that closed on the right side.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
IIRC, a few of the new, but unseen, Generations uniforms were made. I have seen pictures of them in either the Art of Star Trek book or the Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Continuating Mission book.
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Yep. They also had sleeve stripes as well as pips.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Can anybody scan these uniform pictures?
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I am SO glad they never used these unis. They are even uglier than the AGT unis. (although the AGT ones are starting to grow on me).
They just seem way over done. It also wouldn't have made sense. They already had the DS9/ Voyager uniform just out there but having never been adopted by the whole fleet. I was glad to see that bit of continuity between the series there.
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I just hope they won't change the current uniforms! I really like the FirstContact version. Although every future uniform we have seen can not really called furture uniform (except the ones from VOY "Relativity"), because every not so distant future was changed somehow. Q-future was changed by Picard, "The Visitor"-DS9 future was changed by the old Jake Sisko and the "Timeless"-VOY Future was changed by Chakotay and Harry. It seems only the really far future (in "Relativiy") remains the same.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
You'd think that but what about The Doc's 29th century holoemitter?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The discovery of the Holo-emitter will likely not have a major impact on events in the near future. I'mstill not sure how the 29th century Borg got all his superspecial technology from a holographic imaging device. I don't see the HE influencing weapon design or shielding or a whole lot else that would change the course of the Federation.
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I think the best duty uniform was the ones use in the movies by kirk and CO. But the best dress uniform was the one seen in insurrection.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
No way the best Dress uniforms have been the TNG ones...
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I don't like those TNG dress uniforms... Too silly looking to me.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Yeah, like kid's pyjamases. And the red suits worn from ST:II-VI was to prissy I think, and what with those dog-ugly pants sloping over their 1700-boots and all. No, I say modern FC-suits all the way!!! I love those , almost matadorian, sleeveless collars that kinda resemble the black Bab5-costumes.
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Posted by Savar on :
Personally, I think the dress uniforms in Insurrection made everyone look like waiters from some over-priced restaurant. I quite preferred the EARLY TNG frock coats. Then someone decided to cut them down to half their length and turn them into SMOCKS. Uhhg.
I am a big fan of Robert Fletcher's wardrobe design. His work really lent a realism to the Trek movies. Unlike the original TV series where everyone wore practically the same thing for every occasion, Fletcher created ranks, divisions, insignia, and every manner of uniform: class-A duty uniforms, off-duty fatigues, combat fatigues, a landing party jacket, etc. These uniforms remain extremely popular today, I think, because they were designed as UNIFORMS, not just costumes.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Then again, Fletcher didn't have to work for a TV show. The TNG-era movies can feature cool new stuff, but this stuff is used in parallel in a variety of TV shows with a great number of differently sized and shaped people. So to remain logical, a complex and comprehensive wardrobe would have to feature multiple sizes and cuts of *every* design to be available for whatever main character or guest star from whichever show needed it.
Personally, I think the TNG movie budgets would be well spent in such an effort. But Paramount might think otherwise. Especially if the TNG era is to be abandoned in the TV shows after Voyager folds, and a whole new era is to be explored in the fifth spinoff.
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Posted by Savar on :
Good point, but these various items only really have to be tailored for the main Star Fleet characters. Truthfully, TNG costumers have done a pretty good job of filling out the wardrobe and some of what we've seen echoes Fletcher's movies designs. Picard's suede jacket is an evolution of the "bomber jacket" seen in the movies and the division colored undershirt is back in vogue as is the occasional vest.
I keep remembering the TOS episode where Sulu and his landing party were freezing to death on some icy planet because the transporter was out and everyone was wearing their plain ole' tunics. Yes the budget was tight but this was laughable. They could have at least dug out the field jackets they used in the first pilot!
Posted by Phaser1 on :
Good point Savar..
Funny thing is...If you watch "Spocks Brain"..I believe that is the episode...Kirk tells the Landing party to adjust for enviorment..Supposedly..those tunics were designed to adjust to the temp..Now given the fact that they were awefully skimpy..LOL..I'd like to know how they achieved this?..why did Chekov need to phaser the rock and why did Sulu almost freeze to death ??...
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I think a built-in heater system was also mentioned in "Day of the Dove". I could see how it would theoretically work for the male members of the landing party, although their faces would freeze anyway. As for the females - well, perhaps they just aren't allowed on cold planets?
Curious how none of the recent or future uniforms have featured skirts any more. Even the dress uniforms have moved completely away from the wraparound style to the masculine tuxedo. I wouldn't mind a skirt variant of the current design, be it unisex or female-only. If it was good enough for TOS and TNG, separated by a century, then how come it's no longer in fashion in DS9/VOY?
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Posted by Savar on :
Well, the skirt or "skant" as it was called during TNG's first season was VERY unpopular. Troi wore this at the beginning and it led to her being dubbed the "cosmic cheerleader." Both men and women wore these and they were dorky in the extreme.
Wardrobe for TNG and beyond is really only lacking a good field jacket. The movie era jacket was really cool. I would love to have one of those even though it would cost a fortune.
On the other hand, the movies never featured a dress uniform, even though there were opportunities to use one. Slapping ribbons on the breasts of the regular duty uniforms like they did in ST6 was rather dumb, in my opinion.
Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :
Don't know, i found the movie uniforms glamorous enough.
But how could that movie dress uniforms looked like?
The difference between the first contact uniform and the insurrection dress uniforms is too great. One completly dark and the looks like it has been boroughed from Love Boat.
I really like the first contact vest! I wonder why they haven't used it for a doctor, but only for captains. Would look cool!
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