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Posted by Alpha Centauri (Member # 338) on :

After reading the thread about big lifeforms, I wondered about the size of something completely different: the Borg "cities", as seen in "Unimatrix Zero" and errr... (wasn't it "Dark Frontier", or "Collective"? I can't seem to remember.)

So, how big do you think they are? My lucky guess, without taking screen comparisons, I'd say about 1000 km.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I think it's more in the lines of 10000 km or something like that.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Yeah, 10 000 km would seem more logical. After all, the city built around the Guardian of Forever, Oyya, was something like 2000 km�.

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Posted by Alpha Centauri (Member # 338) on :

Yeah, sounds OK to me. And don't forget the Dyson Sphere from "Relics"... I can't rememember if the size was mentioned, but the original theory of Freeman Dyson speaks in terms of MILLIONS of kilometers diameter. I figure out that the Borg are probably capable of building Dyson Spheres.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

You need to figure that the inner radius needs to be 1 A.U., if the star was Sol like.

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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

An AU is 93exp6 miles or ~150exp6 km. I think that the Dyson Sphere was built primarily for energy gathering as I couldn't imagine the population required to justify such a surface area, plus the nightmare task of trying to maintain all the life-support stuff.

If the Dyson Sphere was designed to gather energy, then you'd have as small a radius as possible in order to reduce the amount of material needed, as the energy harvested is independent of the radius if you're covering the whole lot.

The main factor would then probably be the amount of punishment the material could take from the star, radiation, particles, etc. The radiation pressure could be a problem in the long-term. (Radiation pressure is,IIRC, due to the electric component of the radiation causing an electric field and thus a current, in metals especially. This current has an associated magnetic field which interacts with the magnetic component of the EM wave. The effect is of the radiation "pushing" the material.) Although the radiation pressure is small, if applied over a long time period it could cause tension forces that could tear apart material. However, I don't think the radius affects this, either.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

I thought that Data had scanned for life and found everyone had dead from the radiation.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

No it was deserted. The star was found to be unstable when they were inside.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

I remember that ep now. Wow it feels like forever. I ddin't know much about the Trekverse at the time, but from what I can remember, that was a huge sphere (did cover a star afterall) so the Borg "cities" would really be larger than most planets right?

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

The Dyson sphere had no connection to the Borg. Indeed, it seems contrary to their purpose. Building one is the ultimate in nesting behavior.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

"Oh, I'll play your game, you rogue. I'll take 'Borg Titties' for $500."

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :

Judging bu the size of the Cubes and Spheres flying about I eould have to say that the Borg City was the size of a Planet.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

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Nimrod: It was, "famous", right?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Not a fan of the ladies, are you, Trebek?

I have no view of how big a borg city could be. I guess, if they want more and more space, they just add structures, it could prolly take up half a planet-size of floating complexes. But it's very easy to underestimate the size of a planet.
If we could see through the ground to the other side we would be pretty impressed.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Call me dense (and many do!), but what exactly are we talking about? The Borg complex from "Dark Frontier", the Dyson sphere, or some other structure, real or imaginary?

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Posted by Alpha Centauri (Member # 338) on :

This topic was intended to be about that huge Borg structures, and by some unknown (alien? HUUUUH!!!) influence the subject changed to Dyson spheres...

Alien? The influence was... me! So alien after all!

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