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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,20,15,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 20, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:00 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> When did the Temporal Prime Directive came into existance? (Year? Stardate?)<P>------------------<BR>"That's your plan? Wile E. Coyote would come up with a better plan than that!"<BR>- Crighton, Farscape.<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,20,15,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 20, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:15 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It would seem that something like it is already in place, at least generally. (Thou shalt not screw with the timeline.) I would imagine it doesn't become an actual General Order until time travel becomes an easy and routine affair.<P>------------------<BR>20th century, go to sleep.<BR>--<BR>R.E.M.<BR>****<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/simsizer/chapter1.html" TARGET=_blank>Read chapters one and two of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! Show no patience, tolerance, or restraint.</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Ritten</b> <br /><small>Member # 417</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,20,21,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 20, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:51 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Although it does makes sense that one wouldn't want to screw with ones own history, for fear of making your present worse.<P>------------------<BR>"One's ethics are determined by what we do when no one is looking" Nugget<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Obi Juan</b> <br /><small>Member # 90</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,21,2,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 21, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:25 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> One would assume that the TPD was not in force during the Kirk era. Not that Kirk really cared about the regular Prime Directive either, so he may have just chosen to ignore it. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,21,4,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 21, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:01 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I just had to post before watching Voyager. Anyway, considering that Janeway of seven years ago mentioned it, I'd like to revise my statement and put the formalization of the order, like so many other wonderful things, somewhere between TOS and TNG. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>20th century, go to sleep.<BR>--<BR>R.E.M.<BR>****<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/simsizer/chapter1.html" TARGET=_blank>Read chapters one and two of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! Show no patience, tolerance, or restraint.</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,21,10,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 21, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:02 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well there is Temporal Investigations, no telling how long they've been around but the TPD probably came out at about the same time.<P>------------------<BR>"Great Idea!!" - DARKSTAR<BR>This post is sponsored in part by the <A HREF="http://thefsd.tripod.com" TARGET=_blank>Federation Starship Datalink</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Malnurtured Snay</b> <br /><small>Member # 411</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,21,11,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 21, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:29 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Now, is the TPD its own standalone document, or an ammendment of the Prime Directive? <P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.majinc-web.com/tokyo/" TARGET=_blank>Star Trek Gamma Quadrant</A><BR>Average Rated 6.83 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux <BR>***<BR>"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"<BR>-Forum Member Who Shall Be Nameless. 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Omega</b> <br /><small>Member # 91</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,21,12,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 21, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And does it override the regular prime directive?<P>Also, since the temp investigations dudes in "Trials" said Kirk had over a dozen violations of a specific temporal regulation on file, it seems that the regulation did exist back then. Then again, it could just be things that would have been violations, had the regulation existed.<P>------------------<BR>Disclaimer:<BR>"All references to vices and of the supernatural contained in this game are for entertainment purposes only. _Over_The_Edge_ does not promote satanisim, belief in magic, drug use, violence, sexual deviation, body piercing, cynical attitudes toward the government, freedom of expression, or any other action or belief not condoned by the authorities."<BR> - `OverTheEdge' <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,22,4,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 22, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:57 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And since it is a TEMPORAL regulation, with the inherent implication of time travel, who says if it shouldn't be applied retroactively? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>Anyway, I guess that the things called "Directives" are extensive and complicated documents with dozens of subparagraphs and procedures and rules and exceptions. It just so happens that Starfleet's General Order Number One reads "Thou Shalt Obey the Prime Directive (which thou findeth in Appendix A)". That is, it is a pointer to a document, not the document itself. The document can exist independently.<P>The TPD probably is not referred to this way in all the editions of Starfleet's General Orders, since it would be a really obscure rule back in Kirk's time - it would do more damage than good to tell the average Starfleeter "Yes, time travel is possible, but please don't do it". By Janeway's time, the average Starfleeter must already know that time travel is possible and is practiced by potential adversaries and allies, so a General Order might be added that says "Thou Shalt Also Obey TPD (which thouh findeth in Appendix B)"...<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,22,5,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 22, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:04 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'd say it's certainly post-Kirk. Dulmer and Lucsly were well aware of his many misdeeds, but in a way that seemed more like they'd reviewed his career (due to his many involvements with time travel) and come to the conclusion that if they could they'd charge him with at least twelve violations - but that was all in the past, so they couldn't!<P>------------------<BR>"Businesses used to be like Christianity; if you were faithful and obedient, you could obtain bliss in the afterlife of retirement. Now it's more of a reincarnation model. If the worker learns enough in his current job, he can progress to a higher level of employment elsewhere."<P>- Dogbert <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Psi'a Meese</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,1,7,4,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 07, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:29 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *Purrrr...*<P>I believe the 24th century agents of Temporal Investigations were referring to records of Kirk's historical missions. Not necessarily of Kirk violating a Directive of the 23rd.<P>I had understood the TPD to be a directive of the future. Janeway had repectfully awknowledged its principle in "Future's End, pt II". So I was annoyed when I also saw the recent Voyager episode depicting multiple timelines. As Sol noted, Janeway (pre-Delta Quadrant) mentions the TPD as something she was expected to enforce. <P>Assuming this is the case, Caretaker took place prior to Trials and Tribble-ations. And since TNG never makes use of the directive, I assume the TPD was inacted in early 2371. This places it about the time Starfleet made other changes, i.e. new emblems, etc. Perhaps Janeway was briefed on TPD when she was assigned command of Voyager?<p>[This message has been edited by Psi'a Meese (edited February 07, 2001).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,1,7,8,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 07, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:00 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> In Trials and Trib, someone made a reference to an existing protocol that expected SF officers to take all necessary precautions to avoid altering the time line.<P>Did someone already mention that? This thread got bumped from a while ago...<P>------------------<BR>"You don't tug on Superman's cape.<BR> You don't spit into the wind.<BR> You don't pull the mask off the ole' Lone Ranger<BR> And you don't mess around with Jim."<BR>Aban's Illustration <A HREF="http://www.alanfore.com" TARGET=_blank>www.alanfore.com<BR></A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wes</b> <br /><small>Member # 212</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,1,16,11,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 16, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:57 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Thats a toughy! For all we know, 29th Century Starfleet traveled back and introduced it to the Federation sometime in the TOS era. <P>------------------<BR><B>Wes Button</B> � <A HREF="mailto:Wes1701E@hotmail.com">Wes1701E@hotmail.com</A> <BR><A HREF="http://techfx.org/" TARGET=_blank>TechFX Studios</A> � <A HREF="http://uplink.techfx.org/" TARGET=_blank>The United Federation Uplink</A> � <BR>------------------<BR>Janeway: "Dimissed"<BR>Neelix: [stands there dumbfounded] "b..but.."<BR>Janeway: "That's Starfleet for get out"<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,1,16,20,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 16, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Thereby violating their own rule. 8)<P>------------------<BR>"I rather strongly disagree, even if I share the love of Dick. Speaking of which, that would be the most embarrasing .sig quote ever, so never use it."<P>- Simon Sizer, 23/01/2001<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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