I was wondering about the location of Starfleet HQ during the time of Voyager. I know before then, it was located in San Francisco, but in the Voyager Episode when the crew goes back in time to CA, didn't Janeway make the remark that the big one had occurred and CA sunk or something. Wouldn't that mean that the HQ would of had to be somewhere else.
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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
I believe Janeway mention it was Los Angeles.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm not sure what we're talking about. Starfleet HQ is in San Francisco, and as Tahna pointed out the Voyager folks were in the City of Angels. Besides which, going through a devastating earthquake does not render an area unlivable, otherwise we wouldn't have a San Francisco today.
I thought that she ment that all of Califorina had sunk, not just the area they were in.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Even if the San Andreas really went off, the entirety of California wouldn't be gone. Just the western half or less.
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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :
In the episode "Future's End, Part 1", Capt. Janeway mentions the Hermosa Earthquake of 2048. This earthquake caused Los Angeles to sink beneath the ocean. (Hermosa is a city with a major faultline northeast of Los Angeles.)
Though not sure, I feel the science in this event is suspect. If someone can prove that a major severe earthquake could sink a large metropolis, I may find this event more believable.
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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Were the water levels lower long ago, or did a quake sink those Egyptian cities in the Med.???
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
targetemployee: Try to find Port Royal, Jamaica on a map.
Ritten: I believe it was just a case of the water levels being lower, because IIRC there was a project a little while ago that involved moving some monuments from underwater to higher ground.
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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Yes, a major earthquake can return an area of land to under the ocean if it strikes a coastal area. As Fabrux mentioned, Port Royal is a wonderful example. It was a port city on the southern (?) edge of Jamaica that a popular docking city for pirates, theives, the dregs of society. It had a vast wealth stored within the city limits. I believe it was the 1800s (might have been earlier) when a large earthquake sank most of the city. There was an expedition to retrieve some artifacts in the mid- to late-1980's. Since about the mid-1990's, archeaology students from Texas A&M University have been involved in a massive dig in the ruins of the city. They're still finding stuff.
I learned all of this on The Learning Channel, and it has been a while since I saw the episode. Aside from the dates, I'm certain of everything else.
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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
Well since a lot of the questions are coming from will a portion of land sink due to an earthquake. Answer No. In order for the land to sink into the water it would need to be floating on it and since land is not floating on it it therefore cannot sink into it. So California in the near/medium/distance future will not sink into the Pacific.
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Four words: Krakatoa, east of Java.
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Posted by warbird5 on :
I think it's possible. I read somewhere that a powerful nuclear explosion in the megatons placed at the San Andreas fault can sink California.
Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
Ok I'm going to walk thru this but first a brief agreement. I agree and am back by the fact that small portions of land can become loose and slide (ie. Landslides, avalanches, mudslides). However these are usually on a fairly small scale. Port Royal while sort of a good example isn't really, the earthquake only slid portions of the city into the water not the whole city. Good on small scale not on large. However to sink California it just is not possible (not even with a nuke). The fault lines that run through California are a result of two plates sliding past one another which is called a transform boundry. The largest of the faults is the San Andreas. One plate is the Pacific plate(oceanic crust) the other is the North American plate(continetal crust). The Pacific plate has a small portion of land above water that is up against California. The plates slide past one another like this.
This is the movement that has been happening for millions of years and will continue to until that chunk of California is a part of Oregon. No sinking will occur only a seperation that will perhaps form a small channel but that is unlikely. There are many other factors that I don't have time to go into nor do I think anyone really wants to here them for this to happen. Thanks for listening to me while I was on my soap box. Oh and as for Krakatau it was destroyed by a volcanic eruption not an earthquake big difference. ------------------ Death before Dishonor! However Dishonor has quite a disputed defintion.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I don't remember the dialogue of "Future's End" exactly, but it might leave open the possibility that LA was simply covered by the ocean long enough for the city to be destroyed. Perhaps the big earthquake simply drove a tsunami against the coast so that for a brief moments, Beverly Hills became the Beverly Islands and everything else was washed to the sea? That could count as "sinking" even if the involvement of water wasn't all that long-lasting...
That said, I doubt California would perform any major up or down movements within the next few centuries, but it shouldn't be impossible for the direction of continental drift to change. We could simply get lucky and witness a change within this timeframe, nicely coinciding with rising sea levels or something.
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Posted by SIR SIG on :
Simply put: Watch late s7 DS9. You see SF HQ/Academy in a bad way!
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
That was a pretty damn cool scene. I forget tho -- was there a Breen warship slipping beneath the waves or no?
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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
"I read somewhere that a powerful nuclear explosion in the megatons placed at the San Andreas fault can sink California."
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Does anyone have the pic of Starfleet Headquarters after the Breen attack?
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Posted by DARKSTAR on :
I think personally that after the Breen attack on Starfleet HQ. 1)They temporally established an HQ on the ruins of the old one. They then rebuilt HQ within the time frame between the attack and the Alpha Quadrant based episodes of Voyager. 2) They may have temporallily moved to Vulcan while the old HQ was being rebuilt with Ground based Photon topedoes and Phaser banks and sheilds.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Good Points, Darkstar.
A thought: If the Dominion had any knowledge of the geology of Earth itself (they DID have some changeling spies around) they could have pinpointed a good spot on which the Breen could fire so that a large explosion would have sunk the entire San Fran.
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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
No, I won't say it - I'll let Liam do the honours. . .
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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
For what it may be worth, the whole sinking of Cali thing started in Gene's novelization of The Motion Picture, with Admiral Kirk going from Africa to the major transportation hub on Los Angeles Island prior to shuttling to SFHQ in San Fran...
And incidentally, the San Andreas is only the most famous fault in Cali. There are actually no less than five -- and probably more -- plates all doing a complex little dance around/past/over one another in various parts of this state.
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