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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Just wondering what the turtleneck colors represented. Just a guess here ...

White = Command
Grey = Sciences
Green = Medical
Yellow = Ship Ops (Engineering, Security)
Red = Academy Command School students

And is that "other" uniform (you know the one I mean) a cadet uniform, or an enlisted uniform? I prefer to think of it as the enlisted uniform, myself -- makes more sense.

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

http://www.8ung.at/fitz/uniforms/2278-2350_divisions.htm

That other uniforms:
Black collar for enlisted personnel.

Red collar for enlisted trainees.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Gotcha!

I think the TOS Movie Uniforms are my favorite of the uniforms we've seen -- they look more "military" then anything else, and the difference between the Officer and Enslited uniform makes it feel more "real" ... however, shouldn't the senior enlisted men wear a uniform close to an Officer uniform, like they do in the USN?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

*ahem...*

Starfleet is NOT the United States Navy!

Now, is this clear to everyone, or do we need to start the beatings?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Yes, I do understand that, however, I'm simply pointing out that perhaps NCOs would wear an officer's uniform, similar to practices done in several world navies, including the US?

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

IIRC wearing a commissioned officer's uniform starts with the rank of CPO in the USN. I've read on a Grace Lee Whitney-Page that she said, that she had the rank of CPO in STIV and in the movie she wore a normal NCO-uniform.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I thought Rand was the XO of the Excelsior ...

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

Rand was the Communications Officer of the Excelsior. Maybe the navigator was the XO. He had the highest rank after Sulu.

In STVI she was a Lt. JG and in VOY Flashback a Lt. Cmdr (no continuity ;-) ).

In STIV Rand was a CPO at Starfleet Command. http://members.aol.com/starparty/rand5.jpg

GLW played another starfleet officer in STIII (with full commander rank) but I highly doubt that this was Rand.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Dmitri Valtane was the XO of the Excelsior. Rand was the comm officer of the Excelsior in VI, but not in IV. There is also debate as to whether she WAS in an enlisted uniform in IV...

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

I Agree with Jonah. She may have been there, but certainly didn't have any dialogue or anything. If any in-picture pictures ever show up, I'm going to assume that this is Janice's evil twin, and call her "Thomas".

Mark

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

There's a woman in ST IV wearing an officer's uniform who looks a lot more like Grace Lee than the "enlisted chick" in those pics...

--Jonah

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Wait, hold-up, I thought in Flashback Rand was the XO? She was sure acting like it.

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

They made a mess of it, really. In STVI Valtane appeared to be the XO - or the closest thing to one, he had the most dialogue I think - while Rand hardly said anything. Also, Valtane is clearly alive at the end. Yet in "Flashback" Valtane is a junior officer, on a par with Tuvok, and Rand appears to be the XO - and Valtane dies in the battle.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

They may have portrayed Valtane as a junior officer, but he still wore the Commander pins. Plus, the "bunkmates" scene seems to have been a badly executed "dayroom" sort of scenario -- someplace for bridge crew to catch some alpha waves before going into battle. I say this despite the fact that Tuvok's narration indicated Sulu had bade them return to their quarters...

--Jonah

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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There's a woman in ST IV wearing an officer's uniform who looks a lot more like Grace Lee than the "enlisted chick" in those pics...

Can you describe the scene?

I've no problem with Rand being a NCO in STIV. She was a NCO in ST:TMP too. Between IV and VI she made something to get her commission and finally she served as Lt. JG on the Excelsior.

It's good that the scenes in Flashback were just Tuvok's memories and no time travel.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

As Patrick and I just discussed, I was wrong (it happens rarely, so make a note). For whatever reason I remembered her as wearing the monster maroons instead of the enlisted uniform. And her hair didn't look as poofy in the powered-down SFHQ situation room.

I guess I confused her with the OTHER blonde officer running back and forth between some off-camera station and the "pool table"...

--Jonah

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Revisiting the gadawful continuity-buster "Flashback", Rand claims it took her three years to make Ensign rank. Should we just flat out ignore that line, or should we glean from that the fact that a Starfleet "conversion course" from NCO to officer commission can take as many as three years?

Obviously, the line cannot refer to Rand at first being an NCO in Starfleet service for three years and the immediately becoming Ensign. Apart from the unlikeliness of that kind of career development, we watched the NCO Janice for more than three years - the early TOS years and the TMP appearance are rather well established, even if nobody ever explicitly said Rand was a petty officer in those appearances.

How realistic would it be to say that a "mustang" has to spend three years in special training to gain a commission? Not completely unrealistic to me - O'Brien may be an experienced engineer (and a former infantryman or something), but he hasn't spent four years in the Academy learning ancient cultures and Federation law and all those finer academic points of officerdom. A down-to-earth Starfleet officer is a contradiction in terms...

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

GAH!!!!!

Flashback was a pitiful, Absolutely PITIFUL, excuse to get a Guest Stint for George Takei.

According to the Star Trek Timeline (or so I think), when Sulu obtained command of the Excelsior in 2287, he made Rand his First officer.

And She's a Lieutenant here? Absolutely B*&*sh^&!!!! A lieutenant won't reprimand Tuvok after his verbal objections to Sulu crossing the Neutral zone.

And Sulu doesn't seem to be the type that would actually cross the Neutral Zone smack-dab into a bunch of Klingons and blowing half his ship up in the process. If he wanted to do that, he would have done it the way Spock did. A guy with Charisma like Sulu does wouldn't abandon his brains and charge into the battlefield with a blindfold on.

No, don't believe a damn thing about it. Absolutely Pitiful.

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