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OK, that should do it.

First of all, everyone who's come this far, you must be on your best behavior.. there are those among us who don't want to be spoiled at all, and we must be extra vigilant when we post in other posts not to let details sneak in, like the premise.


In brief:

Casting Sheets went out to talent agencies. Leak, TrekToday got hands on one.

Berman lied. Fucker. It's a 22nd century prequel all right.

Enterprise. I really hope someone doesn't start whining about the numbers on the registry plaques and use this as fuel for the fire about TPTB not caring about continuity.

7-member cast: 5 male 2 female; 5 human, 2 non. Human male captain.


Full meal deal below (all courtesy TrekToday)

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Since before the end of 'Deep Space Nine', fandom has been speculating about the next Star Trek series, dubbed Series V by many. Over the past year the first rumours began appearing, suggesting the series would be set on a pre-TOS Enterprise, and in the past month Paramount officially announced it had begone pre-production. However, actual details of the next series' backstory were unavailable. That is, until now, as we present you what we believe is the full cast list for the next Star Trek series.

Last week, Paramount sent out a character breakdown for the next show to talent agents, indicating that casting is set to begin soon. We've been able to lay our hands on a copy of this breakdown sheet, thanks to an insider who wishes to remain anonymous. The sheet contains information on the seven series regulars, a recurring character and several characters from the pilot. As a word of caution, while everything indicates that this is in fact the genuine article, the below info of course hasn't been officially confirmed by Paramount yet, and so should still be treated as a rumour.

The breakdown sheet confirms many of the rumours that have appeared on the internet over the past years. Series V will indeed be set on a Starship Enterprise, under the command of human Captain Jackson Archer. The backdrop of the series will be the 22nd Century, at a time when starship travel was a relatively new endeavour, humans and Vulcans still had much to learn about each other, and the universe really was still filled with strange new worlds, new life and new civilisations.

Read on to find out who will be facing the final frontier in the fifth installment of the Star Trek franchise!


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Captain Jackson Archer: Early 40s. Physical. Bold personality. Intensely curious. Born and raised an explorer. Unlike the Starfleet captains in centuries to come, he exhibits a sense of wonder and excitement, as well as a little trepidation about the strange things he will encounter. He holds a grudge against the Vulcans, who he blames for impeding humanity's progress. But his science officer is Vulcan, and he's struggling to reconsider those preconceptions. Although he has a strong sense of duty, he's a bit of a renegade - he's not afraid to question orders or even disobey them if he feels in his gut that he's right... .

Sub-Commander T'Pau: Late 20s, early 30s. Vulcan female. Austere yet sensual. She's the Science Officer assigned to oversee humanity's progress on board Enterprise. Although she's cautious and guarded around humans, whom she considers primitive and irrational, she's developed a grudging respect for Captain Archer. She'll become one of his most loyal and trusted crew members. .

Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker: Chief Engineer. Early 30s. A Southerner who enjoys using his "country" persona to disarm people. He has an offbeat, often sarcastic sense of humor. Spike was hand-picked by Captain Archer, who is something of a mentor to him. Although Spike is a brilliant Engineer and an outstanding officer, he has very little first-hand experience with alien cultures, and he's often a "fish out of water" when dealing with new civilizations. .

Doctor Phlox: Exotic alien. Medical officer. Appears to be in his 40s, but we're not certain of his real age. Phlox speaks with a slight alien accent and has an eccentric sense of humor that no one quite understands. He thinks that humanity is fascinating. The Doctor has filled Sickbay with all sorts of bizarre medical instruments, alien plants and spores, and stasis chambers with small, living creatures. He practices a brand of "Intergalactic medicine" the likes of which we've never seen. This makes the most routine visit to Sickbay an unexpected adventure. .

Lieutenant Joe Mayweather: Helmsman. African American. Mid to late 20s. A unique product of 22nd Century life, Mayweather was raised on cargo ships. As a result Joe is more "interstellar" than even the Captain. He's travelled to dozens of planets and met many different alien species. Mayweather has an 'instinct' for space-travel that few humans possess. Joe's closest friend is Spike. Similar in age and spirit these two will spend their off-duty hours finding new ways to enjoy life in space.

Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed: Armory Officer. British. Late 20s - early 30s. In the new age of humanity's enlightenment, Reed is a bit of a throwback. He's a 22rd Century "soldier", all spit and polish and by-the-book. Reed is filled with contradictions. Despite his near-obsession with munitions, he's soft-spoken, shy and awkward around women. When testing a new weapon, he's liable to put on a pair of space-age earplugs because he doesn't like loud noises.

Ensign Hoshi Sato: Comm Officer. Japanese. Mid to late 20s. Striking and intelligent, Hoshi has a feisty spirit that often tests the patience of the crew. She's in charge of communications on Enterprise, but she also serves as ship's Translator. An expert in exo-linguistics, she learned to manipulate her vocal chords to emit a range of alien sounds no human has ever produced. She has a natural affinity for picking up languages. Hoshi doesn't like the idea of being trapped in a "tin can" hurtling at impossible speeds. Every time the ship jumps to warp she grips her console and closes her eyes. She's a "white knuckle" space farer.


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Silik: Late 30s to early 40s. Alien. Physically agile. One of the leaders of the Suliban, a deadly species obsessed with genetic enhancement. Our villain. [Note: Silik is described as a recurring character.]

Admiral Forrest: Human male. 50s to 60s. A career military man who's the highest ranking officer in Starfleet. He's fond of Captain Archer and has personally selected him to command Enterprise. [Note: Forrest and all further characters are non-recurring, and cast for the pilot episode only.]

Admiral Leonard: Human male. 40s - 50s. A high-ranking officer in Starfleet who serves directly under Admiral Forrest.

Commander Williams: Human male. 50s. A somewhat temperamental Starfleet officer who serves as attach� to Admiral Forrest.

Ambassador Soval: Vulcan male. Late 60s. A wise and arrogant diplomat who has very little patience with Captain Archer.

Tos: Vulcan male. 50s. Ambassador Soval's assistant. Shares Soval's disdain for human culture.


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According to the breakdown sheet, shooting for the series is scheduled to begin on the 8th of May in Los Angeles. The project is referred to as 'Untitled New Star Trek Series', and is described as a Sold Series, which would seem to suggest that a decision has already been made on where Series V will eventually air.

Again, as we have always done for all previous Series V news, we have to stress that the above info has not been officially confirmed by Paramount yet, and that until they make an official announcement on the next series any such news should be treated as you would any rumour. Meanwhile, major thanks go out to the person who passed along this info!

As previously stated by Viacom, the show is scheduled to premiere in Fall 2001. As we get closer to the launch date, it will be very interesting to see more details released, and eventually have some faces attached to the above characters. Of course, we will continue to follow all Series V developments closely here at TrekToday, so be sure to check back often!

Finally, lots of good wishes go out to creative team Rick Berman and Brannon Braga - let's hope that by bringing Star Trek into the 22nd Century they will also be able to continue to let it prosper in the 21st Century.



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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
The feelings I felt while reading this post, in chronological order:

Shock. Disappointment. The rolling of eyes. Curiosity. More Disappointment. More rolling of eyes. A bit more curiosity. A touch of hunger (unrelated to this post). Slightly more disappointment. Tension. An eerie sense of inbetweenness, such as when the sun is entirely hidden behind thin layers of clouds that reflect and refract the light until a palid orange glow hangs over the land and everything looks new and strange and the world itself seems to teeter on the edge of what is known and what is unknown. Sleepiness. A slight scratching at the base of the throat.

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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
 
That's one heck of a stream of consciousness

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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :
 
Sounds kind of similar to Voyager, with analogues of the Janeway-Tuvok and Parris-Kim rapports.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
I'll believe it when I see it in the teaser of the pilot. Not before.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Didn't I SAY Prequel and Enterprise? like -- weeks ago? THANK YOU! I am the man. 'nuff said.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
I'd describe my reaction as being analogous to that of the Air Force guy dressed as an alien in the X-Files episode "Jos� Chung's 'From Outer Space'" - after being abducted by Lord Kinbote. . . Cowering in a corner "going this is not happening, man!"

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Frankly, I'd've preffered a post-TNG/DS9/VOY series myself. But, hey, we've always got Gamma Quadrant don't we?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Sounds like a whole new case of been there, done that.

Hello:

Andromeda

*hello* Farscape... alien doctor... with strange healing plants etc. etc.

How can a Vulcan have a grudge... that involves emotion...

Why have we not heard of this "enemy" before??
Why have we not heard of this Enterprise before??
"Sixth Starship to bare the name" says the Enterprise E plaque.

Smacks of Gimmicks for the money grubbibg big-wigs.

Been there; done that eh?

Young male captain
Vulcan science officer...
An african American pilot...

LOOK at the ages of the characters for Pete's sake.

Frankly "pete" could pull a better idea for a television series; a trek series - outta his arse.

Hello Space:Above and Beyond...

The "cheerful southern charm" engineer... hmmm hello McCoy crossed with Tom Paris. He'll probably turn out to be some Jock idiot.

Hmmmmm the stereotypical "uptight briton" Ohhh Branon Braga... How much are you getting paid...

I think Jeri Ryan just came along and sat on his keyboard... on second thoughts Jeri Ryan could pull something more original and imaginative out of her arse too.

Lucky DS9 was made.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I believe the "sixth starship to bear the name" goes back to the fact that the Enterprise-E is the sixth starship to be the DIRECT descendent of Kirk's ship, by way of the NCC-1701-A/B/C/D/E registry.

Second, even rejecting the above argument, you're assuming THIS Enterprise is a "starship" not a "spaceship."

Yeah, we've already had a black pilot so we shouldn't have another! *SNORT*

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
I think it seems quite interesting, if they (TPTB) can pull this off correctly.

I wanted a prequel from the very beginning, despite my qualms about apparent retconning of continutity, or complete disregard of. (A Movie-era series, would have been a more solid choice for a prequel, but this is completely uncharted territory.)

I'm an optimist, and as such, I'll save my discriminitaion until I actually view a televised episode. How many other shows read shit when they're first introduced?

"It's about a lawyer who owns a bowling alley."

That of course, being a description of Ed, which, while not being a staple of modern day television watching, managed to make a bowling alley lawyer somewhat interesting, at least in my opinion.

So, while this may seem apocryphal, and UNCONTINUITY-LIKE!!! IT'S THE ENTERPRISE? WFT? (WHAT FUCK THAT)? IT SAYS ON THE PLAQUE THERE'S SIX!!!!!!!!! MOMMY!!!!!! It's worth it to see it. At least I think so.

I think it's good that a fresh time-era is being looked at. I don't think I really wanted another series taking off from 2377. There's enough god-awful fan-fiction stories you can read if you want to stay in your little bubble. (Is it a requirement of the Star Trek Fan Fiction Guild, if such a thing exists, that all authors must posess a third grade level education and the creativity of a dead mule? All these 'Big Ship, Little Dick guys who put themselves as Captain, who conveniently have all the best attributes of each Captain of the series, Save Jackson Archer, of course, and manage to be able to sleep with each and every female member of the crew.)

PS - Don't compare this to Andromeda. As far as I can tell, this is sorta fresh, and doesn't have many, if at all, sterotypical characters and hopefully won't have each and every episode based on a cliched story. There's a reason Gene kept that idea in the bottom of a trunk in his basement. Way to go Majel.)

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not pre-TOS!

Man, imagine how much that would sucks!

They can't have that many "adventures" or new "discovery", simply because they probably have to tend the continuality (spelling?) of all five series! I mean, they couldn't just encoutered a race or discover new techs that never appeared in TNG, VOY, DS9 series.

damn, and no new gadgets because they can't be more advanced then the TNG, VOY, DS9 series.

and man, by the looks of character description, it's like a mix with Sisko and Kirk. Not much new there. Man, they gotta get away from the "almight Enterprise, the supreme kicking ass starship that always save the day" kinda deal. And why does the main character always have to be the damn Captain.

I don't know how is Paramount gonna pull this one off.

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
The only good thing I can see coming out of this series is the short skirt uniform of all starfleet female personall!

mmmmmm......short skirt......(start drooling like Homer Simpson)

hey hey hey!!

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Well, sure they can encounter new races, Blue. How do you think the Federation got all its members? I'm sure we haven't come close to seeing ALL of the various member worlds!

Hell, maybe the series starts off with a fledgling Federation of a dozen worlds or so -- given the figure of 150 worlds Picard says in "ST-FC", that's a lot of worlds to discover, yes?

UM, you're not giving GQ a bad name, are ya'? Macy has slept with no members of the crew, and I must point out the Tokyo is a piece of crap starship on the verge of falling apart.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
I am perturbed no more than when I read 'Oh this is gonna sucks!11!!! No new gadgets or new big ships with guns!!!"

Fuck, Star Trek is not James Bond. You want gadgets , go see any one of the Bond films. This is Star Trek, it's different.

If anything, this should get the hardcore TNG supporters back on the wagon, as it seems to exemplify the spirit of exploration and discovery in a somewhat-familiar environment, something which hasn't been seen since late TNG.

It's only boring to you. Just because it's old? This means nothing. Get a clue. Goodnight.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I wonder if they'll even have a transporter ...

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Probably not.

Might I note that the whole "6th starship" thing probably only applies to STARFLEET ships. This may not even BE a Starfleet ship, but something along the lines of Masao's UES Enterprise.

Or maybe they're stealing a page from "Yamato" & equipping the carrier with a wave motion gun at the bow & a new type of propulsion that turns tubine engine drive energy into Newtonian rocket thrust.

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Nah, they're not smart enough to use Masao's ideas.

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
quote:
The only good thing I can see coming out of this series is the short skirt uniform of all starfleet female personall!

If they use the TOS-uniforms, this would be the first strike against continuity.
Either they use the uniforms from "The Cage" (then female personnel wear trousers) or something "new".

My first impression after reading this was %$�&#. But now I think this concept has some interesting points:

  • No Borg-stories
  • The producers/writers are forced to look at continuity, or many fans will hate the series. For example: T'Pau's rank. She's a subcommander. So this doesn't contradict that Spock was the first vulcan in Starfleet.
  • It seems that the relationship between Humans and Vulcans is not the best. Would be nice to see how they became friends.
  • Space is big and undiscovered.
  • Maybe we'll see first contacts with Andorians, Tellarits, Tholians, Klingons...
  • I think this era was a hard time for the Federation. Would be interesting to see, how the UFP manages the starting problems.

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    Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
     
    HOT-DAMN!

    I totally forgot about first contact with the Klingons! Do we have any idea of how that happened? I heard a story about a first-contact where the Federation gave them a lot of technology, and the Klingons just went wild with it ... leading to the establishment of the Prime Directive. Not sure if that's canon or not, but still ...

    It'd be kind of cool to show this Enterprise crew mucking stuff up like that ...

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    Posted by SIR SIG on :
     
    What about a time period people!

    They've mentioned SF, so its atleast 2160.

    Also mentioned is 22nd century, thus no later then 2200.

    Klingons (who reportedly/rumoured will be big and bad) don't first contact till around 2218 by most sources.

    So thats 40 years to play with!

    The thing with the Vulcans and possibly a non-SF Enterprise may mean it is based around the cusp of the birth of the federation.

    Meaning: Earth already knows:

    Vulcans, Andorians, Tellerites, Alpha Centaurans, Romulans. And probably a few more species.

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    Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
     
    Is a canon date given for Klingon first contact?

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    Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
     
    quote:
    Is a canon date given for Klingon first contact?

    According to the ST Chronology it took place in 2218 (TOS Day of the Dove). McCoys says that Humans and Klingons were enemies for 50 years.

    There's the possibility that first contact was prior to 2218 and hostilities started in 2218.

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    Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
     
    I don't want to blow my own trumpet - after all, only UM is limber enough to do that - but I'd like to refer you to my thread Series 5 Tech - If Pre-TOS. You know, all the way back from when it was assumed I was some newbie who didn't know what he was talking about. Nyah. 8P

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    Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
     
    I would also like to point out that I said "prequel" and "Enterprise" a few weeks ago as well. Ahem.

    But, Vorgon, you mean you're not a newbie who doesn't know what he's talking about?*

    *-This should be taken as a joke as I know VP is really some mysterious poster known as "Lee" and he did something "really bad" but what that was I have no desire to learn so I'm going to shut up now.

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    Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
     
    Actually, I've always been fascinated w/ Pre-TOS, if they pull it off, with no silly-willy jumpsuit uniforms, it could be moderately somewhat not terrible. IMHO, they had better show the Battle of Axanar. That could be mighty sweet (though the writers probably don't even remember the reference)

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    Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
     
    What is that from?

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    Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
     
    At other forums there seems to be a lot of skepticism about this casting sheet. Wasn't T'Pau the vulcan matriarch in Amok Time? Also, wasn't Spock the first Vulcan in Starfleet. "Phlox" was also mentioned as a character on Voyager ("Tinker,...") (This is second hand info). They also pointed out the weirdness of characters, albeit minor characters, named Tos, Willam, Leonard, and Forrest. Are clever in-jokes or clumsy references or hints that this is fake?

    "Hoshi" as a Japanese woman's first names seems a bit strange, but "hoshi" is the Japanese word for "star."

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    Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
     
    With the rank of Sub-Commander? Since when has Sub-Commander been a Starfleet rank? Really, the people making that argument need to read what they're bashing first. No she's not a member of Starfleet, she's a Vulcan science officer (that is, a member of Vulcan's space-going fleet), who happens to be serving as Science Officer aboard the Enterprise. I'd say T'Pau is as much a member of Starfleet as Major (or Colonel) Kira Nerys was. And yes, I'd say she's the same T'Pau we'd later see in both Amok Time and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Remember: Vulcans live a VERY long time.

    There was an "Ensign Janeway" in an episode of The Next Generation, but did people use that to bash the concept of Voyager as fake when the captain's name was introduced as Janeway? (Keep in mind: it was originally going to be Elizabeth or Nicole Janeway, and was changed when Bujold left). So the simple fact that "Phlox" has been used before doesn't hold much water, I 'spect. Also: these things change, just because the dude's name is Phlox know doesn't mean it will be when the show goes to air. Remember: Julian Bashir was originaly Julian Amorros.

    So what about the Comm Officer's name? I know a couple of girls named "Crystal", I don't see whats so strange about someone named "Star"!

    Yes, I would say Admirals Forrest, Leonard, and Cmdr. Williams are a "tip o' the hat" to the "big three" of TOS. And that yes, even Tos the Vulcan is another tip of the hat. This is nothing new: Gene Roddenberry named "Geordi LaForge" after a Trek fan! Keep in mind, those four characters above are slotted for the pilot only, then they're gone and we probably don't see them again. And those names could well be changed, although I think Admiral Forrest needs to STAY Admiral Forrest in tribute to DeForrest, who sadly died.

    And did anyone notice that these characters are named in the opposite rank order from the characters? Cmdr. Williams = Will Shatner (who played Kirk), is the lowest rank; Adm. Leonard = Leonard Nimoy (Spock), is the middle rank of the three; and Adm. Forrest = DeForrest (who played McCoy, lowest ranked of the 3), is the highest Admiral in Starfleet!

    Those arguments don't mean anything, and they're not proof that this info isn't valid. They're just nitpicking, a lot of which don't hold up to anything. I mean, christ, who the devil mistakes sub-commander for a Starfleet rank? Good god!

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    Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
     
    I'm not saying this is fake, I'm just saying we should be skeptical. Until it's confirmed that casting directors are actually using this thing, it's still possible this is fake.

    If this T'Pau is the same T'Pau in Amok Time, that might be cool. The Romulan-style rank suggests she's only attached to this ship without being in Starfleet, which is a way around the "first-Vulcan" thing. That might work.

    As for Hoshi, this name was suggested by others as a reason this casting sheet was fake. I was suggesting it was a possible woman's name, albeit unusual. At least it's better Japanese than "Sulu"

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    Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
     
    The Battle of Axanar was some early and extremely monumental battle in the 2250s. Who they were fighting is not known, but Starfleet captain Garth (Kirk's Hero) led the Federation forces. It was from "Whom the God's Destroy". I know its not a very famous reference, but it be fascinating to see a big starfleet battle w/ old style ships.

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    Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
     
    Does Sulu mean anything in Japanese?

    Of course, Sulu was from San Fransisco, and, if the unusable scene from STIV is to be believed, so is his great (something) grandfather. So there's plenty of time for one of his anscestors to marry someone with a foreign surname.

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    Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
     
    Any series plot will work if done right. This has potential. It's just a question of whether they'll get it right this time. Maybe they'll be smart enough to plan it all out in advance?

    As for the Enterprise, we already know that there was a previous space-faring vessel called the Enterprise. A picture of it was shown to the Ilia probe in TMP. Now listing this one as a STARFLEET ship, THAT would probably be a mistake. I'd go for the theory that the original big-E was an Earth ship that got assimilated into Starfleet when the Federation was formed.

    As for our Japanese comm officer, is it possible that her name means the same thing as Nyota Uhura: Star Freedom?

    JK:

    That wasn't T'Pau in ST3. It was T'Lar.

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    Posted by Soontir_Fel on :
     
    Guys, you're forgetting the ever-schemeing ROMULANS! Remember the Earth-Romulan War from 2156-2160? This would be fresh in the UFP's memory.

    The Daedalus-class starhship would be the Constitution if its time. Also, depending on what years "Enterprise" takes place, in 2169 a new type of impulse drive is adopted for Starfleet vessels. The great Vulcan Ambassador Sarek is a wee little boy (b.2165). The Prime Directive is only introduced in 2168.

    All my info is from the Star Trek Chronology. This transmission is now terminated. :P

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    Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
     
    Sulu don't mean a damn thing in Japanese. In fact, the closest you can get is "suru" (the infinitive form of "do") because the usual transliteration method doesn't have "L." When Star Trek is dubbed into Japanese, they give Sulu a real Japanese name, Kato, I think. I remember once reading a semicanon explanation that Sulu was supposed to be Japanese-Filipino. The Sulu Sea is a body of water near the Philippines.

    Sato is a pretty common Japanese last name, but I'm not exactly sure what it means. Most Japanese last names are geographical, meaning, "middle field," "in the mountains," and such. I doubt "Sato" means freedom.

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    Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
     
    Hoshi, might be a reference that this casting sheet is a "Heap Of Shite" H_O_Shi...

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    Posted by DARKSTAR on :
     
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
    I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK.
     
    Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
     
    I have a hunch that this is all bollocks...just a hunch.

    Although it seems like that Armoury officer will get to test weapons - deadly!!

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    Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
     
    Masao... what does... well, Masao mean in Japanese!?!

    And couldn't Sulu, just be a "made-up" name or a combination of to other words, or a shortening... over the centuries??

    Andrew

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    Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
     
    Andrew: Embarassingly, my name combines the Kanji (ideogram) meaning "true," "genuine" or "reality" (also appears in such words as photograph, truth, midnight, vacuum, and pitch black) and the kanji meaning "male," "brave," and "great." Please don't laugh!

    "Sulu" sure doesn't sound Japanese because Japanese doesn't have an "l" sound. Strictly speaking, it doesn't have an "r" sound either. The sound it does have is halfway between "l" and "r," which is why most Japanese can't distinguish the sounds or pronounce them correctly. (When English speakers learn Japanese, they are told to think of "r" and say "l" or vice versa.) When Japanese write English words in their 46-character phonetic alphabet, "la" and "ra," for example, are written with the same character. In Japanese, the words "rock" and "lock" would be transliterated identically. The Japanese "l/r" sound is always written as "r" when Japanese words are transliterated into English.

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    Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
     
    Sorry, but I just HAVE to do it...

    "ALL YOUR BASE ARE LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK. MOVE POST VOY SERIES ZIG! FOR GREAT ORIGINAL MESSAGE!"

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    Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
     
    This would explain "engrish".

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    Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
     
    And the Mega Man video game series.

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