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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Post- TNG/DS9/VOY. And I do mean POST. This show will be set probably about 100 years AFTER TNG.

Mike Okuda and many production people from TNG/DS9/ and VOY have already signed on for the new series, including Zimmerman.

We will see a future USS Enterprise -- Paramount was so insistent on this one factor that they shot down any pitch by Berman that did NOT take place on a starship Enterprise (and there were quite a few).

The Starship is being designed by John Eaves, who co-designed the Enterprise-E. The nacelles will be tucked into the ship -- think along the lines of the Defiant, or the Relativity- (as an example), from VOY.

Remember that pre-TOS character list floating around? That's essentially correct, except the names are wrong. They're looking for actors who match those descriptions, although the characters they play won't be the ones said on that list. For example, "Sub-Commander T'Pau" will really be a Romualan officer aboard the ship.

The show begins filming in late April to early May, and will begin airing in the fall of 2001.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Uh?

Did I miss a Press Release or something?

And besides, weren't you and your "mole" adamant about a 'Pre-TOS' show?

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Yeah - Says who?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

*shrug*

The only thing I could possibly wrong about is the time period, but I don't think I am.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

So in other words, here is what we really know:

It may or may not be set in the past.
It may or may not be set in the future.
It may or may not be set aboard a ship named Enterprise.
It may or may not be called Star Trek.

Ooh, details!

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

JeffK has come down with a case of Chronic Exacerbated Darkstaritis. Nurse! The screens!

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

All I can say is... I still think they should wait about 5 years for more Trek.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Well, I think they should have more nakedness on Buffy. But it's not going to happen.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

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Post- TNG/DS9/VOY. And I do mean POST. This show will be set probably about 100 years AFTER TNG.

Error 102 in module 8F0A45: There is absolutely no basis for this claim. Well-trusted source (id=
MikeJonas"); indication from moles that show is prequel=true Post-TNG series concentration on net=high Horse's mouth (id="Berman"); series concept has appeared on net=false

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Mike Okuda and many production people from TNG/DS9/ and VOY have already signed on for the new series, including Zimmerman.

Error 103 in module 945E12: Excessive extrapolation. Confirmed crew=hash##{Berman, Braga, Okuda, Eaves, Zimmerman}. A considerable portion of the rest of the crew could well be new.

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We will see a future USS Enterprise -- Paramount was so insistent on this one factor that they shot down any pitch by Berman that did NOT take place on a starship Enterprise (and there were quite a few).

Error 105 in module 7EEA45: Syntax error - "future" USS Enterprise... string "future" unfounded.

Error 301 in module 7EEA45: The rumor that multiple premsies were pitched and rejected has been vehemently denied by TPTB on several occasions, and no evidence beyond rumor exists to the contrary.

Critical Ommision Error: MikeJonas, aforementiond source, has indeed confirmed that shipname=Enterprise

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The Starship is being designed by John Eaves, who co-designed the Enterprise-E. The nacelles will be tucked into the ship -- think along the lines of the Defiant, or the Relativity- (as an example), from VOY.

Error 102 in module 00A17F: There is absolutely no basis for this claim. Well-trusted source (id=
presiden of Fan Club") indicates Eaves is designing new ship, but designation of all appended data="unverified rumours posted on TrekToday"

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Remember that pre-TOS character list floating around? That's essentially correct, except the names are wrong. They're looking for actors who match those descriptions, although the characters they play won't be the ones said on that list. For example, "Sub-Commander T'Pau" will really be a Romualan officer aboard the ship.

Error 102 in module 8BBD7F: There is absolutely no basis for this claim. Credible model proposed at TrekWeb for forging of casting sheet based on tracking of transmission to "CarsPlus Inc." Designation of data="unverified rumours posted on TrekToday"

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The show begins filming in late April to early May, and will begin airing in the fall of 2001

Error 103 in module 61AA8C: Excessive extrapolation. UPN execs indicate that Series V will air on UPN this fall=true. No credible evidence for filming start produced, though extrapolation indicates such dates are likely.

Critical Ommision Error: MikeJonas, aforementiond source, indicates "set status"=not yet constructed

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Posted by Evolved (Member # 389) on :

"The Starship is being designed by John Eaves, who co-designed the Enterprise-E. The nacelles will be tucked into the ship -- think along the lines of the Defiant, or the Relativity- (as an example), from VOY."

(sarcastically) Oh, how wonderful...

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Posted by Right on :

Um ... if the show was to begin filming in late April or early May, that would still give them a month to rip down the VOY sets and finish new set construction. More than enough time.

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

I quite liked the Relativity and Defiant, and the fact that it will be on an Enterprise makes me happy no matter which one it is. It's far better than the other ideas I've heard so far. I might decide to show you soem renderings of a ship that i've been designing.(if it doesn't look too bad

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

I dunno about the time it takes to strike and rebuilt sets, unless they're going the cheap way and just redressing lots of them. Remember, the TNG sets kept the original TMP/Phase II basic sets for Engineering, Sickbay, transporter room, small quarters, and corridors. Who knows if the Voyager sets will be similarly recycled.

Mark

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Well, if it's set on an Enterprise and it's not a prequel (I'm still praying that it's not) we run into several problems.

A) It's going to have to be at least several decades in the future to allow for more TNG movies with the Ent E.

B) If it's too far in the future, we lose the sense of continuing story that has been established by having three overlapping series and there's this huge gap, just like between TOS and TNG. If it's an Ent-F and it's too close to our own timeline, we run into the possibility of knowing what happens to the TNG crew and ship before they're done making movies, not to mention the need for the movies to be written within the bounds of the new series continuity.

C) It's just TNG all over again. New Enterprise, new crew, SOS.

On the other hand...maybe it's an alternate future/history Enterprise...

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

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It's going to have to be at least several decades in the future to allow for more TNG movies with the Ent E.

As did TNG leave several decades between the TOS time period. Why is this a problem?

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If it's too far in the future, we lose the sense of continuing story that has been established by having three overlapping series and there's this huge gap, just like between TOS and TNG.

Erm -- so? The Twenty-fourth century seems a bit crowded to me. Let's go on and find a new century. I'd enjoy "discovering" a new series.

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If it's an Ent-F and it's too close to our own timeline, we run into the possibility of knowing what happens to the TNG crew and ship before they're done making movies, not to mention the need for the movies to be written within the bounds of the new series continuity.

Well, we've already got hints of what they'll be doing. Geordi on the Challenger, etc, etc. TOS did fine writing flicks within the bounds of the new series continuity -- Star Trek VI was excellent.

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It's just TNG all over again. New Enterprise, new crew, SOS.

So don't you mean it's just TOS all over again?

Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Ii think jeff is right, it would be a good idea to see some new stuff, new drive, new weapons, new designs, new uniforms. Perhaps they can experiment with organic cover on the outer hull to be able to resist enemy weapons. There is so many possibilities that you can have when you go to a new century, i think that when the change from 23rd to 24th century was made, not enough new tech was introduced. Also the old Enterprise travelled through time on a nearly daily basis, the new ships haven't done this too often. I think that aside from some minor problems it will be an excellent series, and in the end the benefits will outweigh the problems.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

MikeJonas, March 8 (original message, also contains Voyager spoilers):

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while I'm still claiming semi-retirement, I am still, on occasion, firing off "confirm/deny" e-mails to ye olde moles on Trek Row.
No confirmation/refutal of the casting sheet from my mole yet, but from what I gather it's far more than what many of the future relative-high-uppers on the Series 5 production crew have been made aware of. The people at Paramount are aware of the alleged casting sheet--whether they're laughing or quaking in their boots, I don't know. In my personal opinion, I'd quote the Romulan senator from DS9's "In the Pale Moonlight"...
I did find out that the Series 5 sets are far from built; the sound stages destined for Series 5 are still being used for Cameron Crowe's "Vanilla Sky," which should be done with their pickup shots wrapping up soon.

So, for what its worth, we won't be waiting for Voyager's wrap before they get the sets up.

One thing that I've been wondering about is if there's any logic at all to how they're announcing the production crew. Has Okuda been hired for some time now and only revealed by TPTB to give us a bit of fodder to chew on, or are these news releases coming as fast as Paramount's inking the contracts? The reason I ask is that I'd imagine Okuda'll probably have to have completed at least a month or two of work before the sets go up, considering he'll be very busy doing design work on all the computer shtuff. Zimmerman has probably been working on the show even further in advance.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

-As did TNG leave several decades between the TOS time period. Why is this a problem?-

It's not a problem, it just seems like it's been done before. We're just moving on to the another generation of Enterprise. Star Trek was originally about one ship. But it's moved beyond that. Going back doesn't seem right.

-TOS did fine writing flicks within the bounds of the new series continuity -- Star Trek VI was excellent.-

Well, it did alright, but there was only one movie. And TNG was set almost a century afterwords. Again, this isn't necessarily a problem, just somethig to watch out for.

-So don't you mean it's just TOS all over again?-

No, I mean TNG. In the sense that we're just jumping ahead again to a new generation of Enterprise. TNG was, in many ways, TOS all over again, but it worked because TOS had only a three year run and it was only the second series.

I think any variation COULD work, they just need to be careful not to invalidate the previous 4 series by just copying the uniqueness of one of them.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

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This morning I understand that the cast list is somewhat correct as to ages, genders and so forth but that the series actually takes place about a century after TNG.
And there will be more rumors... I just wish more of them were as entertaining as "Anthony Michael Hall".
Personally, I've no interest in a post-TNG Trek series that follows on from the current continuity. If they kick over the table in some way -- ala "Andromeda" -- I might be interested. But "The next, next, next, next generation" would be unworthy of my time.

Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

the nextest to next generation

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"Perhaps they can experiment with organic cover on the outer hull to be able to resist enemy weapons."

But what purpose would this serve? If the Defiant hadn't had ablative armour, would this have affected the stories in any way?

"i think that when the change from 23rd to 24th century was made, not enough new tech was introduced."

We got replicators, holodecks, being from places other than transporter pads on a regular basis, biofilters on the transporters, ickle communicators on badges, phaser strips, and Starfleet ships that can actually fire torpedoes backwards! What more did you want?

Besides, by and large TPTB hate introducing new tech. During TNG, they quickly discovered that the ship was so advanced, it made storytelling very hard. Remember how the Transporter could do anything in TOS? Or, for a TNG example, the biofilters were designed to keep any diseases from getting beamed up. Of course, than meant that they could do no "deadly plague" episodes, so the biofilters were made less efficient.

Or, to use DS9, the holocommunicator was hardly used, because (I guess), it was too hard to explain to the casual viewer. Since the picture didn't flicker (a la Star Wars communications), the casual viewer would think that the person was either there, or that he'd beamed over. Whereas showing them on a viewscreen makes it obvious that the person is in a different room/ship.

Basically, new tech would have to be carefully introduced, so that people can easily understand what it does, and that it was checked to make sure it didn't make the ship invincible.

And no, giving the ship tYPeXXIIII phaser-super-cannons wouldn't actually make any difference at all. The ships are as powerful as the the scripts write them (and their enemies ships).

"Also the old Enterprise travelled through time on a nearly daily basis, the new ships haven't done this too often."

One, I disagree, and two, thank god. Star Trek isn't about time travel, and time travel stories become old really easy.

But, for a comparison:

TOS Time Travel:

The Naked Time (a little)
Tomorrow is Yeserday (properly)
Metamorphasis (for the same arbitary reasons that I have included The Neutral Zone, below)
Assignment: Earth
All Our Yesterdays
Star Trek IV

TNG had:

The Neutral Zone (of sorts. okay, suspended animation, but the same rules apply. People essentially came into the future)
Time Squared
Yesterday's Enterprise
Future Imperfect (okay, not really. But I'm using it).
Redemption (the Sela bit anyway. Sort of.)
Cause and Effect
Time's Arrow
Timescape
All Good Things
Star Trek Generations (kind of)
Star Trek First Contact.

And that's leaving off all the pseudo-time travel ones, like A Fistful of Data's, or Elementary, Dear Data, or Qpid. but still, both TOS and TNG have done used it a fair bit.

Wow. I had to look up some of those TNG titles. I'm losing my touch.

Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Not what i meant about TOS, it's that they had that idea if they fly into the sun or something at a certain warp factor they could do travel thorough time. If so then how come any of the new ships(which can definitely do a higher warp) could never make use of that? And if there is no introduced technology then what can you guys talk about to completely weird me out and confuse me?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Well, one problem with time travel being easy and accessible to all is that it completely destroys everything we know about the universe. Once you toss causality out the window, anything goes. Such a universe might make for an interesting show, but it wouldn't be Star Trek, simply because there would be no force capable of keeping things stable. Let's go back and kick Cochrane in the shins! Let's go back and kick those kickers! Let's etc ad infinitum!

Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

They shouldn't have done that originally, or they could have provided us with a suitable explanation as to WHY they can't do it anymore.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Because Starfleet took all that information and locked it up real tight and made sure that no one knows how to do it anymore.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

But what's to prevent Sz/reg of planet Puk from figuring it out?

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

How do you know he hasn't done it already?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

But that's the point. The world could be in a state of constant flux due to all the time travelers in the universe. And while that's pretty interesting to contemplate, it makes doing a series somewhat difficult.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

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Series V
Spelling reports that the program's sets have been constructed and casting will begin soon. In spite of the looming threat of a potential strike, plans are to try to get the program's two-hour opener and another episode done first.
Berman describes the coming series, saying, "It's closer in tone to TNG or the original series than either DS9 or Voyager. It takes place in a different time than any other Star Trek series to date. We'll have seven regular characters, five of them human, two of them not...We'll also have a kick-ass spaceship. I wish I could tell you more, but I can't."
Berman also explained that fresh voices have been brought in and will continue to be a part of the new series, saying, "What Brannon and I will be doing on Series V is trying to bring in as many new voices as we can, in terms of directors, new writers and new elements of design, whether it's costumes or makeup or sets or music...We are trying to put together a younger, less-experienced-in-Star Trek team of people to give this show a completely new feel and look. We want this to be not your father's Star Trek, so to speak."

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Source..?

Mark

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

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We are trying to put together a younger, less-experienced-in-Star Trek team of people

There goes the continuity.

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Unless you move it further into the future. It's exactly the same thing that happened with TNG - they pretty much ignored a lot of the continuity established in TOS and instead started fresh, using the basic premise and terminology to create the next incarnation of the same thing. Anyone remember the psycho-tricorder? Didn't think so.

If they move it to the 25th century or whatever, it's the best way to start over again in the Trek universe and give it a fresh look and feel, as Berman said. I'm all for it - going into the past makes little sense, and would totally wreck 400 years of Trek history. Continuing the current era will quickly grow tiresome, as we retread races and technology whose premises have been muddled through hundreds of episodes. Moving into the future gives new writers and production talent the cleanest slate possible to give us our next incarnation of Trek, and and still *keep* it Trek.

Amen.

Mark

PS - I'm willing to bet money that if the new series is in the future from TNG, they're gonna find some way to circumvent the letter suffix on this next Enterprise, and probably even the whole NCC nomenclature altogether. Ten slips of latinum. Right now.

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

There are a lot of ways they could circumvent the letter and NCC designation. If they change the type of vessel(ie. Timeship Enterprise), it would return to be the "Original Enterprise" because it would be the first Timeship Enterprise.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Jeff's source is TrekToday/TrekWeb/Cinescape/this interview (further spoilers within)

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

This was posted at Dark Horizons (http://darkhorizons.com/news.htm):

"Star Trek: Series Five (TV): Royal Shakespearean Theatre World actress Evel Shephard is apparently in negotiation for the role of 'Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed'."

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Unfortunately, "Royal Shakespearean Theatre World" doesn't exist, as per Google and a quick check of a whole pile of London theatre listings

"Evel Shephard" didn't turn up on a Google search either, and hasn't done anything on screen before, as the IMDb has no record of her.

And thirdly, and perhaps most convincingly, it strikes me as unlikely that an actress would play a male character...

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

I must admit, it's all pretty fishy. Just thought I'd be irresponsible and pass it along.

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

*reads*

Fishy? Hell, this may have "GI-NORMUS RED HERRING" written all over it.

BTW, Masao - love the Starfleet Musuem site you have.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I don't think not finding a website on Goggle qualifies as establishing something does no exist. It's quite possible the company doesn't have a website.

Is "Evel" a female name? Maybe some of you know whether it is or not, 'cuz I've never heard it before ...

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

Like Evil Lyn on He_Man?

Actually, I'm thinking of that English motorcycle stuntman that hurt hiomself pretty abdly in a stunt. Evel Kinevel, or something?

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Uh... Evel Kneivel, guys...

Mark

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Of course,

"Theatre World ACTRESS Evel Shephard is..."

Pretty much tells us which Gender the name is applied to this time.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Yes, because it would be so hard to change that character name to Lt. Commander Denise Reed.

I don't doubt that TPTB could be looking at a woman to play a role they primarly are looking at men for. It's happened before, just look at Homicide: Life on the Street.

*DarkHorizons could have assumed Evel was a female name and said it accordingly

*TPTB may have decided to change the sex of the character b/c of the various strengths of the actress, etc.

Just some points.

Posted by jh on :

Wow, a fella disappears for six months and comes back and finds out that all the rumours are the same.

I don't know if I find that comforting or depressing.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

It's just samey.

SEE! Samey! IT MEANS WHAT IT SAYS!

Plus, you've also come back to find that someone else is using your .sig. And Lee is a very scary man.

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

This just in from TV Guide:

"An early casting call sheet acquired by TV Guide reveals that the fifth series in the Star Trek franchise will be a prequel about the infancy of the Federation that predates the time of Kirk and Spock by 100 years.
But at least one character in the series, expected to debut this fall on UPN, will be familiar: Subcommander T'Pau was first seen as a kind of Vulcan high priestess in the classic 1967 "Amok Time" episode of the original Trek. Played by Celia Lovsky, the wise and wizened T'Pau presided over the aborted wedding of Spock and his childhood fiancee. Expect a younger, more Seven-of-Nine-ish actress to assume the role of T'Pau on the new series.
Trek's usual emphasis on ethnic and intergalactic diversity will be evident in the other characters, including Capt. Jackson Archer, a bold rule buster with a grudge against the Vulcans; Lt. Joe Mayweather, an African-American helmsman with more experience than his captain; Ensign Hoshi Sato, who can imitate alien sounds; Dr. Phlox, an exotic alien who specializes in New Age medicine; and Chief Engineer Charlie "Spike" Tucker, a Southern good old boy. Now that's the real McCoy."

If the above will be close to what the show will really be like, I think it might actually be interesting. Archer could be a veteran of the Romulan War, which is why he might have the grudge against Vulcans.

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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :

Cept the federation supposedly never actually saw a rommie during the war, or had any idea what they looked like.

And the Vulcans forgot to mention that they were related.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

If he's got a grudge against the Vulcans, it's probably because he in some way believes they're either holding Earth back, or pushing Earth forward too fast. Maybe the Vulcans put the pinch on Earth to create or join the UFP? Maybe Vulcans were opposed to a unified military like Starfleet, which is why he opposes them ... ?

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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

The above =>

If they keep that shit up, this it won't be long until , IMHO.

They are on the way to destruction.

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At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.

"Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

TV Guide reported that cast sheet to be real? Does that mean they know something we don't? Or have they been fooled?

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Posted by jh on :

Someone's using my sig? Wow...I...I don't know what to say.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Did I miss something?

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Tim: My guess is they've been fooled as well.

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