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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

This is the biggest load of Crap I have read... it is supposedly from an 'insider'... I was visiting Treknew.com when I read it here: http://www.treknews.com/cgi-bin/newspro/articles/984945470,60878,.shtml

Anyway:

1) Romulans and Talshiar... they are the same. Thats not how you spell Talshiar...

2) Andorians - they are PART of the Federation.

3) There were never any Andorians on the E-D because they said way back in Season 1 of TNG that they "didn't do antennae" I can't see them having a major motion picture built around them

4) The 'superperson' Klingon/Romulan... an unlikely combination considering their hatred of each other - the only time this has EVER happened occured in the unique situation of "Birthright".

5) Worf, Data and Picard.

6) Why Ezri? She only now has a small connection to Worf, she's Julian Bashir's plaything.

7) They don't know how to write for Troi, the couldn't write for Jadzia, they are useless with Beverly... why Ezri? Puh-leese.

8) 26th Centuy setting for Series V now? I've heard 22nd, 25th, 26th (now) and 29th. Why not set it in the 2nd century and watch the Romulans and the Vulcans going at it!?!

9) Bah!

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Well, I suppose it's possible that the elements just got mixed up in a translation somewhere...

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I think this could very well be for real. It isn't as dumb as some other fan-made stories I've seen so far, and fits in the little official stuff we've seen so far.

It sounds like they're going to do a Babylon 5: Call to Arms type of bridge towards the new series according to this. I like that idea very much. I hope it's true.

Ezri Dax... Hmmm... Strange choice indeed. It sounds like 'Get Worf on Enterprise' thing. I hope not...

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

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Posted March, 2001 by Stephen
We've received the following from The Paramount Spy, "Ben". We can neither confirm or deny anything mentioned, and so this is currently pure rumour, so please take it as such.
The Completed Spoiler, Star Trek Movie-X will be introduce a refurbished, updated Federation species only clearly presented in Captain Kirks days, the original series. This species will be the Andorians who will take alongside the Romulans and the Telshiar.
The movie deals with Data, Picard and Worf. The storyline will pick up from a episode once visited in the old next generation series.
There will be only one guest appearance of a DS9 character, with that being Ezri Dax.
Anything past the halfway mark of the story has now been drafted up, ready for production and here it is-
The action will take place half way into the movie, with it being situated around Picard, Data and Worf who must go on an adventure beyond the bridge of the Enterprise to a place and time where they must outsmart a villain who will be more powerful than anything every seen in star Trek movies.
This villain will be half Romulan, Half Klingon and will have the Andorians on HER side.
This movie will have a twist that will herald a new era for Star Trek which will explain series V's timeframe a little better in relation to the Enterprise in the 26th Century, which is what Series V will be based on.
One character will leave the star trek universe for good, not in the way of being killed off as there is more than one way to drop a character no longer available for further production other than to kill them off, especially with a universe of expansion out there.
Bye for now, The Paramount Spy, "Ben".

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Let's analyze this, shall we?

"We've received the following from The Paramount Spy, "Ben". We can neither confirm or deny anything mentioned, and so this is currently pure rumour, so please take it as such."

OK. No problem with that. All your plots are belong to us. For great Trek movies.

"The Completed Spoiler, Star Trek Movie-X will be introduce a refurbished, updated Federation species only clearly presented in Captain Kirks days, the original series. This species will be the Andorians who will take alongside the Romulans and the Telshiar."

Possible Andorian schism in the UFP? Hmmmm...

"The movie deals with Data, Picard and Worf. The storyline will pick up from a episode once visited in the old next generation series."

The only episode I can think of that comes close to this is the TOS eppy "Journey to Babel". It had Andorians.

"There will be only one guest appearance of a DS9 character, with that being Ezri Dax."

A bit of T&A factor here? Ho-hum.

"Anything past the halfway mark of the story has now been drafted up, ready for production and here it is-
The action will take place half way into the movie, with it being situated around Picard, Data and Worf who must go on an adventure beyond the bridge of the Enterprise to a place and time where they must outsmart a villain who will be more powerful than anything every seen in star Trek movies."

Uh-oh. I smell time travelling here. And a smart villan? Apparently not too smart 'cos we know Picard, Data and Worf will layeth the smackdown on them.

"This villain will be half Romulan, Half Klingon and will have the Andorians on HER side."

Remember that half Klingon, half Rommie chick from that TNG episode where Worf found all them Klingons being help prisoner by the Romulans? Can't be her, could it?

"This movie will have a twist that will herald a new era for Star Trek which will explain series V's timeframe a little better in relation to the Enterprise in the 26th Century, which is what Series V will be based on."

Yeah, yeah. We'll see about that.

"One character will leave the star trek universe for good, not in the way of being killed off as there is more than one way to drop a character no longer available for further production other than to kill them off, especially with a universe of expansion out there."

I betcha it'll be Worf. Michael Dorn's been saying for years how he's tired of playing him. Possibly could be Brent spiner who's just as equally tired of playing Data.

"Bye for now, The Paramount Spy, "Ben"."

Bye, indeed.

Overall, I find this to be kinda hard to swallow. But we'll see in time.

~Over and Out~

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

If this guy works at Paramount, he's the janitor.

"An adventure beyond the bridge of the Enterprise" ? Give me a break. The whole thing sounds like it was written by a 9th grade fan boy.

O.K. I'm done. End of rant.

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

That's what I was thinking. Someone with those typing skills and that kind of imagination probably is a 9th grader.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

However, to play devil's advocate for a moment, most of these "spoilers" are in line with the vague comments made by...John Logan, is it? The guy writing it, anyway. That is, that their would be a Romulan presence in the movie, and that there would be some references to TOS and some people from groups seldom seen outside of it. (Like the Andorians, for instance.) He also mentioned a "cunning adversary," but of course you can't throw a rock at Hollywood without hitting a cunning adversary.

So, as regards these rumors, I am far from pleased with the idea of the movie being bent and twisted into a series V pilot. But there is nothing inherintly unbelievable about them.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

'Course, it's entirely possible that the author purposely took the comments we'd already heard from the producers, and simply filled in the other details artificially, thus making it believeable.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

re: series V

That's another thing I've been saying. Just have one last movie to wrap up this period in history, give the crew one last chance to change the face of the galaxy ala ST6, and then move on to the future once again.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

You know, the Andorians were one of the founding members of the UFP, Andrew...

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Quote: "This movie will have a twist that will herald a new era for Star Trek which will explain series V's timeframe a little better in relation to the Enterprise in the 26th Century, which is what Series V will be based on."

But if Series V appears in the fall of this year and Movie X appears later, we'll have to be confused for a while?

Maybe by Telshiar they meant "Tellars" or "Tellarites"? That would sort of fit in with seeing the Andorians again.

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Plus, how will this plot "lead into" Series V? It will come out after the series begins on TV this fall...

Mark

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Oh god, that depends if there's a writer's strike. But if Star Trek X will lead to Series V, then maybe the Enterprise-E will be blown to bits and the next show will have the Enterprise-F.

That's a scary thought...

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

OH. MY. GOD. NO.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

It doesn't seem like the Television people and the movie people have ever really worked that well together though. I don't really know what the difference is, but just look at what happened with the Defiant showing up in FC.

"They used OUR ship to get Worf back on the Enterprise...Sons of Bitches!!"

I simply cannot imagine a coordinated effort to launch the new series. Plus, you'd have a bunch of relatively unknown actors showing up in a movie before they'd ever done a series (or at least a Trek series).

I don't buy the tie-in idea.

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

This sounds like something Berman and Bragga would definetly come up with. Yup. *nodnod*

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Posted by Soontir_Fel on :

Either that or it's just more stuff to keep us guessing and thinking about the next movie and dividing our attention between it and Series V. These guys are the cunning foes.

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Y'know, it wouldn't surprise me that everything we've heard about Trek 10, Series 5, et. al. may be part of a massive disinformation scheme the folks at Paramount cooked up considering how the Trek "fans" love to infiltrate Trek offices or go dumspter diving and actually STEAL notes or props or whathave you just to get the inside scoop on the latest Trek stuff.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

There's something frighteningly loganian about this putative plot. I mean, Logan is a self-proclaimed Trekkie who would love to show off his knowledge of past characters and situations. He'd also want to tackle an issue like turning a little-known past race or technology or other detail into a major plot point, and making Andorians into enemies would be the kind of challenge he'd be tempted to try.

Of course, whenever a plot sounds loganian, it can also be argued to sound fanboyish by definition, since (apart from apparently being a very competent writer) Logan does admit to being a fanboy...

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Fabrux... re "the andorians were..." yes, I know that (if it is indeed absolute Trek canon truth) but that aside - what did I say in the contrary to that?

I was saying:

That The Andorians are PART of the Federation as mucha part as the Human's, Vulcans and Trill... that Insider made out that the Andorians were just other villians that were ALSO teaming up with that 'chick'. Why would the Andorians forfeit the Federation, to fight the Federation if they are members?

Also, even if we are talking about Rogue Andorians... The decision was made yonks ago, not to have Andorians because the 'blue people with antennae' didn't really look 'sophisticated'?? Although, I'd LOVE to see them again.

Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :

Personally I think blue people with antennae would be a refreshing change from the "cranial ridges of the week".

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I *TOTALLY* agree...

I don't know if anyone has read my idea that combines a convenient Worf bridge plus seeing all really cool Trek aliens...

A proper Federation Council scene at the beginning of the movie... possibly talking about the Bak'u incident. The Dominion and the Cardassians etc.

This would be a 'full council gathering'

I picture a really large UN-esque room, circular - but very plush... like carpeted walls etc. - just like Typical Federation decor. NOTHING like that rediculous Senate scene from The Phantom Menace - which looked really hokey having all these pods just falling away into the distance - all very CGI-ish...

We would have to see ALL (well as many as possible) Trek races that have appeared over the last 30 years. There would have to be at least two of every 'Federation member' race. There could also be a section for impending members... (A Bajoran seat - hello Kira cameo) And this being such an important occassion, ther would have to be Romulan and Klingon Ambassadors - as part of the Dominion alliance... there should also be 'puppet' Cardassian representatives.

The Klingon group would of course include Worf... and a nice chance to see Martok.

We'd have to see all the races from the council in Trek IV, plus all the known members over the last 30 years - as I've already mentioned... Including those short aliens from Insurrection. There could also be a short cameo of Anys or what ever her name was from Insurrection as a Bak'u rep, and of course a link to Picard and his 'relationship'.

We would of course have the Ferengi sitting in on this - as well as the other 'semi' major powers... the THOLIANS and the Miradorn and the Gorn etc. etc.

I mean we wouldn't see every race up close - but it would be this huge circular UN-esqu room. All blue and Yellow and wine coloured - very Federation... In Paris of course...

Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

THAT would be cool. Something aside from the strange setup we saw in ST4, with half of the members of the "Federation Council" in Starfleet uniforms... :rolleyes:

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Would we even see those guys from ST4 w/ the huge, round, plastic heads? *L*

Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :

Of course.
TPTB have an aversion to showing "supid looking races from TOS" but they sure don't mind making new ones. I always thought it would be nice to have a few cameos of some of the funky looking creatures from the council scene or TOS. The background of DS9 would've worked very well for this kind of thing. But DS9 did DS9 alliens--they didn't even show that many from TNG. It's just a simple thing that could add to the atmosphere and sense of continuity.

[This message has been edited by Obi Juan (edited March 23, 2001).]

Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

I like that idea up there. That would be a great boost in consistancy to see all the races in the Federation show up at a Council meeting and not just mentioned in passing like what was for breakfast.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Are you sure about that?

TNG races from TOS: Humans. Vulcans. An Andorian once.

DS9 races from TOS: Humans. Vulcans. A guy from Tiburon once.

Seems pretty equal to me.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

When was there an Andorian in TNG?

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Could it be that old ep, "The Andorian"?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

There was no episode "The Andorian." ::SMACK!::

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

We saw the back of a hologram of an Andorian in "The Offspring". According to the Encyclopedia, they were also in "Captain's Holiday". I assume they were in the background on Risa, or something...

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Here you go: An Andorian on Risa. As you can see, they used the same wig and costume as for "The Offspring." (cheap bastards). http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/1558/Evenmore.html

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

They're still pretty funny looking

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Oh, okay, so we did see the front of the "The Offspring" Andorian. My mistake...

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Well DS9 did like to MENTION their TOS aliens a bit more... Cestus III, Andorians... i.e. The girl that came first in Bashir's year thought Bahshir was an Andorian... and there was that Andorian in the running for that prize... that Doctor's prize.

Anyways re the council scene... YEAH! Every alien... even the Arcturian clones and the Betelgueseans from TMP - but of course like Star Trek V - they could easily touch up the races to make the fit in with the whole feel of TNG era races... i.e. Michael Westmore's work.

We could have our Tellarites, caitians, Andorians, even the human looking races... speaking of which, does anyone think that those guys yelling "Bravo!" at the End of the Star Trek IV were one of those human looking TOS races??? maybe even Deltan? They WERE Bald...

You probably wouldn't have to see every race in DETAIL, but EVERY race would be nice... (well of the races that could possibly be Federation members)

Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :

I don't remember the shot of the andorian in "The Offspring" being like that at all. The last time I watched the ep, i was specifically lokking for the cameo of an andorian. I remember it as sort of a low resolution back shot (it was grainy, not a fully realized human looking holodeck image). While the face may have been visible I really don't think there was that kind of detail visible. Maybe the pic was a behind-the-scenes pic of the actress who played Lal in andorian make up.

That said, I would hope that in any future appearances by the Andorians, they spruce them up a bit. Don't really need to change the basic design, just add a little more care and detail to the makeup, and maybe make the antenae a little more cool looking. I think Farscape provides some excellent examples of how properly applied face paints can look very cool (no ridges required). They don't have to look like a clown whith cheap grease paint slapped on 'em.

Sol: The example of the Tiburonian in DS9 is exactly what aI am talking about. I just think it would be cool to do it more. How many nameless ensigns do they have in the background. They don't all have to be human or in the rare cases vulcan, bajoran, or bolian. They obviously definitely don't like to do guest stars from the obscure old races, so why not a few more cameos.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I'm pretty sure that shot of the Andorian is a screen capture, straight from the show. It fits with my recollection of the episode, anyway.

As regards the Andorians, one reason to be skeptical about this story description is that it requires some very convincing Andorian makeup. And yet, we've not seen Andorians often since TOS (or even during TOS) for the precise reason that the makeup isn't all that convincing. It seems to me that if they could get good looking Andorians, someone would have done it by now, either in DS9 or elsewhere.

Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :

I disagree. I think that they did a pretty good job "modernizing" the tellarites in STIV, but we've never seen them them in episodes.

They just don't like showing the old races.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I don't think that claim holds water. For one thing, we simply didn't see all that many aliens in TOS. Certainly not Federation members. And the two major alien empires from TOS, the Romulans and Klingons, are still major alien empires today.

For another, how would you be able to tell if a nondescript fellow in the background was someone like an Argelian or an Elasian? It was the rare alien in TOS that got any sort of physical markings.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Medusan or two, though. Not that you could actually see them.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I think it comes down to wanting to be able to see more of the races seen from old Trek TOS or the movies...

there are quite a few when you think about it. (that just don't look like Humans)

the tiburon
tellarites
andorians
that bluish race from Elaan of Troyius
The Gorn
The Tholians

plus the movies have a plethora of suitable aliens

the Arcturian Clones, the Deltans, the Mazarites, the Caitians, that big headed alien from IV... those masked creatures from IV (Which could have been Breen for all we know) and a few more of those creatures from Rurapenthe - which included a few of the species from TMP... aslo there were those aliens on the rec deck, and what was that strange alien to Kirk's right, on the bridge in TMP?

There were also a few aliens seen at the Khitomer Conference... Yellow skinned and netted faced races...

Seeing them again would be nice... in the background...

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

Four words.

Bring. Back. The. THOLIANS!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Were the Tholians ever gone?

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

The fact that we really haven't seen them since TOS, yes.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

We didn't really see them in TOS, either. A brief shot of what may or may not have been a head. We did get to see their ships, at least. But they've arguably been mentioned more in the modern era than they were in "The Tholian Web." (Though those mentions are spread out over 10+ years.)