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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Can anyone get, or know where I can find screen caps at the end of Generations. The few frames where is shows the 3 ships, an Excelsior, an Oberth, and I forgot the 3rd.

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Correction, Ritten...the ships were a Nebula (USS Farragut), an Oberth (possibly labeled as USS Valiant), and a Miranda (unknown name or rego number)

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

http://www.geocities.com/fitz8472/generationsend/generationsend1.htm

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Fitz, the Screenshot Wizard

Funny, I don't remember there being a Miranda.
And that is a VERY small Oberth...

(Do you happen to have TMP shots?)

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

quote:
Do you happen to have TMP shots

No, only 5, 6, 7 and 8.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Popmaze: I stand corrected.

Fitz: Thanks, beautiful, perfect, thanks again.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Star Trek X: Generation's End!

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

That's a small Oberth? Well its the normal size for an Oberth, its just for once we get to see how big the Nebula/Galaxy IS, when its in comparison with ships we know...

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Well, look at that! The Miranda is indeed labeled. Unfortunately it's still not legible.

Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Fitz: Wow, great 'caps. I wonder how you do it, it�s from a dvd, right? The only size I manage is 340x.
Question: any caps of the shuttlerescue-scene from the same film?

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

The 'normal' size for an Oberth is around 120 meters.

Thought they were seen varying from anything from 300+ to 100- meters.

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :

Still, compared to shots from TNG episodes with the Enterprise and Oberth class ships, it seems rather small.

Nonetheless, this is one of my all time favorite shots. Not only do I love the Nebbie (Sorry, I know most of you seem to hate it!) but I think the whole composition, including the music, is just great.

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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I wonder how you do it, it�s from a dvd, right? The only size I manage is 340x.

Maybe it has something to do that it is a widescreen version.

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Question: any caps of the shuttlerescue-scene from the same film?

http://www.geocities.com/fitz8472/generationsend/generationsend1.htm

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I have to agree, I think this one shot, is better put together, and more artistically beautiful than the Ship shots from FC, Insurrection and DS9 Seasons 6 and 7.

Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Fitz: Thank you! May I use them on my site, with credit and a link?

Hmmm, widescreen, and here I thought that you had a better dvdplayer and program then me :-)

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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May I use them on my site, with credit and a link?

Sure.

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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :

Oberth-class ships have the peculiar tendency to spontaneously change their size in proportion to other vessels. No scientist or respected nitpicker to this day has discovered the reason why. One can only reason the FX people are botching it up.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

The Tsiolkovsky was the size of the Enterprise!

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :

Hmmm...unnamed miranda eh...probably still the Brattain or Lantree, whichever came first.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Chicken or the egg....

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Egg.

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

The Miranda model was last labled as the Saratoga prior to appearing in the movie.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

And after that DS9 appearance, the model re-received its roll bar - a component that typically carries the ship name and registry, albeit in very fine print.

I wonder how many names the "Generations" ship actually had. The saucer name and rego would probably have been altered to fit the needs of the story, but the tiny nacelle numbers or under-saucer labeling might not; and the rollbar might have had a third set of names and numbers.

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

If they didn't do any relabeling, the model would have had the rollbar with the Brattain markings while the rest of the ship had the Saratoga markings. I've see pics where the nacelles had the NCC-31911 markings.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

If they stripped down and redid the Nebula for Generations, then you'd assume that they'd spend some time relabelling the other two ships.

Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Yeah, but the Farragut was specifically named in the movie. We never got any name for the other two so they didn't have to be changed or relabeled in any way. We think the Oberth might be named Valiant because someone once saw a special where some SFX company did a CGI Oberth and named it Valiant. We know nothing about the Miranda at all and I doubt any info was given in the script at all. If the Miranda was also CGI, it could also have gotten a new and different name, but like I said, we know nothing about the Miranda and I doubt the script called for anything specific.

Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

PopMaze is referring to me.
In the mid-90's, the Discovery Channel ran a series on the special effects of movies. One of the shows in the series included information on the Star Trek movies. The camera crew were at ILM and were talking to a ILM employee. He talked about the engineering of Star Fleet ships-the nacelles had to be at a certain distance from the ship so as to protect the crew. The model he used for this talk was the USS Valiant, NCC-20000, Oberth Class.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I was just talking about how, with the model guys - they used to name their ships even if we didn't see the registries... or hear them during the episode.

Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

True, they did that, but I think they have gotten a little lax about doing such things when a ship is not seen up close. So even if a ship may be named in the script, the model may still not be changed accordingly. And if the ship is not named in the script, I don't think they bother with changing anything.

Of course, if a ship is seen up close it may be relabeled even if it's not identified in the script.

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

BTW: I think this Miranda in FC was labeled too.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, it obviously labelled. That's visible in the screencaps. The question is whether it was specifically re-labelled for FC, or if it still had old labels on it.