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Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

"Logan, who has written three treatments and was due to deliver his first draft of 'Trek X' just before the threatened writer's strike, said he can't confirm or deny any of so-called the internet rumors "I could, but then they'd hunt me down and kill me" he jokes "I hope we are recapturing some of the spirit of First Contact and The Wrath of Khan, in terms of this [being] a big old adventure movie. While some elements are incredible character-driven, I hope those won't exclude the general audience. Or it will be 'the worst of time', believe me !"

-section31.com

is it me or does it sound like this movie may be the best trek film? (FC and TWoK are my faves)

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Well, having never seen any of John Logan's previous work, I can't comment on the abilities and talent of this particular writer. However, I hear that he is a Star Trek fan, so at the least the spirit of the common fans are being instilled in the script (I hope).

My two favorite Trek movies are The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. Both of these were good and solid adventure movies that blended action sequences with character-focused elements. And I don't think they were done in such a way as to exclude the general audience. I got one of my friends hooked on Trek after dragging him to TUC with me. I think Logan is on a good path as long as he do an effective balancing of the two and that the higher-ups don't force excessive rewrites that could waterdown the script or otherwise harm it (my biggest complain with Insurrection).

But, if you don't like the long drawn-out narrative, just remember this oversimplified axium: even-numbered Trek films are good and odd-numbered Trek films are bad. However, I should point out that 10 is equal to 5 times 2 (need I go into The Final Frontier? ). But seriously, I'm looking forward to Trek X.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Or 2 times 5 - 5 lots of TWOK!?!

Posted by PopMaze (Member # 302) on :

I find that the best Trek movies are the even numbered ones. II was great because of the action between the ships and between Kirk and Khan. IV has great as a comedy and reliever from the previous movies. VI was great because of its relations to the current events. VIII ws great for much the same reasons as II. And finally, I believe the X will be great for the same reasons as II and VIII. I'm not saying the odd numbered movies were bad, just that the even numbered ones were the best. TMP was okay, but was too much waiting for something to happen, which IMO is unlike Trek. III was decent as was VII. But V and IX were not up to par with the rest.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"I find that the best Trek movies are the even numbered ones."

Possibly the most controversial opinion to ever be posted on a Star Trek forum.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I don't know, Liam. I think the "Stewart versus Shatner: Who Would You Rather See Naked" argument is more controversial.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Obviously, I have some pretty non-standard opinions about Trek, but TMP is probably my favorite of the Films, and I also didn't dislike TFF very much at all. I thought it was a good Trek film.

And what was wrong w/Generations?

The only Trek film I've seen that I truly haven't liked is Insurrection and even THAT was tolerable. I'm not incredibly fond of TVH, simply because it was a bit silly, but I think the Trek movies have mostly all been good.

But I hope they never make DS9 or Voyager movies. (Well, maybe DS9 wouldn't be that bad.) Those series just don't have the same sort of enjoyability as TOS and TNG, IMHO.

All in all, I don't think it's fair to say that only the even numbered Treks were any good.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Since it looks like this may go into a discussion of the merits of the "even=good; odd=bad" axiom, I'll throw in my two cents.

The Motion Picture: I really enjoyed this movie, but I felt that there were a lot of parts that were just too drawn out. Paramount really wanted to show off the special effects, so we have the long sequence of the Enterprise entering the VGER cloud. Add to that, some the acting was a bit stiff. As someone said earlier, it was like everyone went into really super-serious mode. One of the things I loved most about this movie was the travel pod tour around the new Enterprise. I really wish something like this had been put into First Contact when the Enterprise-E appeared.

The Wrath of Khan: my favorite of the movies to date. Superb acting and an epic feel and quality to it. I think the script was great and Nick Meyers did an excellent directing job. It was based on a TOS episode, but the nature of the story didn't exclude a general audience which may not have seen "Space Seed." And in probably the most poignant of Star Trek moments, there was the self-sacrifice made by Spock.

The Search for Spock: the was a really good movie, too. I think the rationale Harve Bennett came up with to resurrect Spock was interesting and not some tired old idea of a ghostlike Spock haunting Genesis. I really wish that Kirstie Alley had returned as Saavik, but Robin Curtis did a pretty all right job. The beginning of the film was slow what with McCoy being crazy, but the film picked up after Kirk busted him out of the brig.

The Voyage Home: this was an all right film, but it's not really one of my favorites. I felt that some of the comedic elements were too overdone. But I give Leonard Nimoy mega kudos for retaining the soul of Spock but making him seem like a different person. It was fun watching him renew his friendships with the crew.

The Final Frontier: this was an okay movie, but gosh did it have some problems. The story wasn't all that good, in my opinion. And throwing in Sybok being Spock's brother wasn't a great idea. With some fine-tuning, I think this film could have been much better. I hear that the DVD version is tackling a lot of the problems effects-wise that plagued the film. Can't wait to see it.

The Undiscovered Country: I think this was an excellent send-off to the original cast. It was nice to see an Enterprise crew member move beyond the Enterprise (Sulu), and I liked how Kirk was forced to confront his feelings of the Klingons and the death of his son. This was something that The Final Frontier missed the boat on completely. I think Chang made a worthy adversary, but I still gotta say that Khan takes the cake for best Trek movie villian.

Generations: this a good film. I think it had a solid story, but I think that it's flaw was that too much was crammed into the movie. Here we has the death of the Duras sisters, the destruction of the Enterprise-D, the death of Kirk, the death of Picard's family, Data gaining emotions, the promotion of Worf... It wanted to do too much in a short amount of time. I think Soran was a weak one-dimensional villian, but that was largely a scripting problem.

First Contact: an excellent film. I think the Next Generation cast finally found their movie footing with this film. The Borg Queen was a good villian, but I still gotta give props to Khan. The big-screen Borg were terrifying and that was good.

Insurrection: I liked this movie, but overall I have to say it was an okay film. If the romantic elements had been retained more, I would have liked it better. I wanted to see Picard kiss Anij. I didn't like the fade out as he leaned down. I liked the battle sequences, but I felt like the Enterprise was portrayed as a weak ship. She hardly fought back. Didn't like the joystick, but the Riker maneuver was interesting. R'uafo also seemed to be a one-dimensional mad-man. No more real depth to him than with Soran.

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

my ratings of trek films:

The Motion Picture: 6/10
The Wrath of Kahn: 9/10
The Search for Spock: 7/10
The Voyage Home: 7/10
The Final Frontier: 7/10
The Undiscovered Country: 9.5/10

Generations: 7/10
First Contact: 10/10
Insurrection: 7.5/10
Nemesis: 9/10

of course, the Nemesis rating is based on what I know of plot.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Er, "Nemesis"?

Posted by PopMaze (Member # 302) on :

Nemesis is the rumoured title of ST:X.

And if I can't post my opinions here, then where can I? I just think you all need to calm down a little.

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

Oh, lighten up, Poppychops. They're kidding. The opinion you gave is so common it's become pretty much unnecessary to express it. Like saying "Voyager is crap" or "Dubya is a moron" or "Lee is a very nasty person who doesn't like spoilers." 8)

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

Nemesis is the working title for Star Trek X that Paramount has trademark registered. I'm just calling it Nemesis for now. It will most likely change, but mabye not.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Isn't "Nemesis" always the rumored title? But, if they actually registered the trademark, I guess someone finally decided there needed to be one w/ that name...

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Of course, there was a Voyager ep called "Nemesis"...

But then there was a TNG ep called "First Contact", so I guess it's OK. But "Nemesis" is so... so... boring. Come on, they can do better.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Nemesis is pretty bad. It's an overused cliche, like "Endgame". And, as Tim pointed out, it's been a romoured title for the previos 9 million Trek films.

Has the resistered name always been the one choses? I'm sure there were a few names registered for First Contact (although that might have been due to the Alien 4 problems).

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I can't say how "real" it was in the past, but Nemesis was given as one of the early, highly unreliable rumored titles for both First Contact and Insurrection. Icky.

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

true, but they must be taken this title a bit more this time seriously to register it. I like it, but i still wish they went back to the longer titles. But overall, i could give a shit about what a title to a film is.

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

I think they might have considered "Renaissance" for ST:FC, since one version of the script had them going back in time to Italy at the time of Leonardo da Vinci. Who subsequently turned up on Voyager. So it works both ways.

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

I heard about that... they really like changing thier mind about the title. When the first teaser premiered at ID4 opening day, the title was "FIRST SITE" i guess the promptly changed it

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

I am kidding you not. I had a dream last night that the new movie was going to be called "Star Trek: Riker."

Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :

Why not Star Trek X - The Undiscovered Title?

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

ROTFL!

Anyway, I am in the mood to bore you all with my opinions on the movies.

TMP: This Mooooovviiiieee iiiissss sssooooo ssssslllloooowwwwwwww. Yes, the special effects were good and yes, the new Ent is the most beautiful Trek-model of all times. But why show this for more than half of the movie? Especially the entering of the VGer cloud was too slow.
And they seem to have 'lost' some bits of the story, making it somewhat confusing at times.

TWOK: One of the best movies. Khan was great, Saavik was good and the overall story worked very well. Very impressive CGI shot of the Genesis effect, re-used in almost all subsequent original movies . I liked this movie! (Oh yeah, and Spock died, that was quite shocking).

TSFS: For some reason, there is something wrong with this movie. FOA, what the hell happened to the sound effects!? The Excelsior sounded like a bloody Lada! And the new Saavik just wasn't believable. I don't know, but this movie is the second worst of all for me.

TVH: Despite the really quite silly story, this was a surprisingly good movie. The characters were all on track again, with a very convincing 'all-new' Spock.