ANDORIANS!! WOW! I want to see! I love you, Mr. Logan!
The Janeway connection is cool! (BTW 'one of .. communications with Janeway' implies more than one..)
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'Nemesis' will introduce us to the Enterprise-E version of several locations that were seen on the Enterprise-D: Cargo Bay, Stellar Cartography, and Ten Forward (albeit without Guinan).2
Several classic Star Trek species are mentioned. First, Riker's bachelor party was said by Picard to have been attended by "three Andorians, two Tellerites and a Gorn." Second, Data's 'brother' B-9, when describing his travels through the universe, says he encountered the Pakleds, Bolians, Nausicaans, Cardassians and even Talosians.3
Lwaxana Troi is not present at the wedding reception on Earth, but Deanna mentions that her mother will be at the traditional Betazed wedding.4
Picard says he has initiated first contact between the Federation and alien species twenty-seven times in his career.5
The Reman leader Shinzon mentions by name both the Treaty of Algernon and the Romulan Star Empire. In established Trek canon, the Treaty of Algernon ended the Romulan-Federation War and established the Neutral Zone.6
One of the members of the Romulan Senate tells Shinzon that they cannot afford to fight the Federation as "Romulus is still re-arming from the Dominion War." During the war, the Romulans used Reman assault troops in the most violent encounters - i.e. as cannon fodder. However, Shinzon fought and won seventeen major engagements.7
Both Dr. Soong (Data's creator) and Lore (his other brother) are mentioned in reference to B-9.8
The Federation delegate ship that is dispatched to Shinzon is the Orion, which is headed by an elderly Andorian, Meelok, who taught Picard at the Academy. During one of Picard's subspace communications with Janeway, she advises him, "When in doubt, run to the old Andorian."9
During the main battle, Riker orders a maneuver called "Defensive Pattern Kirk Epsilon." He also sarcastically asks why the Enterprise-E doesn't have any saucer separation capabilites.10
One of the features that starship crews have been craving for centuries is finally awarded to Picard at the end of the film, when the new Mark Seven Captain's Chair is installed. While Worf argues with one of the new ensigns about Picard liking his old chair, Picard sits down in his new chair and takes time appreciating it. According to the script, it's equipped with "...metal restraints [which] fly into position around [his] waist and shoulders [at the touch of a button]." You know, seatbelts!11
At the end of the film, Picard tells his new first officer, Commander Madden, that their first asssignment is going to be to explore the Denab system. "It should be exciting. It's a place... where no one has gone before."
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So, "Nemesis" is still the name. Nothing shocking here
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A Gorn, eh? I hope we see him. Would once and for all show that the Gorn are now allies/members of the UFP. Data's 'brother'? B-nine? WTF?
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Too bad Lwaxana isn't there. She could've provided some seemingly much-wanted comic relief.
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I'll have to check with my records, Mr. Picard
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I thought Algeron came after Tomed, as per "Pegasus"? (Algeron being after ER War was Okudan conjecture before "Pegasus"). Potential screw-up here.
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Thank God they're at least acknowledging the Dominion War after-effects. The canon-fodder strategy does fit the Romulans.
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"How queer!"
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ANDORIANS!! WOW! I want to see! I love you, Mr. Logan!
The Janeway connection is cool! (BTW 'one of .. communications with Janeway' implies more than one..)
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I thought the E-E *did* have saucer-sep?
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Ehh... Weird. Finally after 300 years, they come with seatbelts! Now the only thing they need to invent are fuses for in the consoles...
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New XO? Riker finally got his command? I hope so! Or is the Riker family resigning from 'the Space Service'?
[ August 11, 2001: Message edited by: Harry ]
Now, Harry, you did good. You put a "Spoilers Inside" warning ...
But, it doesn't do any good when a person clicks on the title from the front page and doesn't go through "Gen Trek" to do so ... I mean, for all I knew, this was just more rumors and guessing as to what the film was about.
Okay ...
Why would the Ent-E have saucer seperation capabilities? It doesn't carry civilians that I know of.
Guess Riker's getting his own command. I wonder what's going on with Data and LaForge? I mean, if Data is "killed" like Brent wants, then LaForge should be next in line for the Enterprise's First Officer position -- unless, of course, he goes along to Riker's new ship.
I'll repeat myself and say that I would like to see Picard move on, perhaps to a position within the Federation's Diplomatic Corps, with Riker taking over as CO of the Enterprise.
I also hope Worf isn't written back in by explaining, "oh, he didn't like being an ambassador, so he returned to Starfleet." That would be a hell of a cop-out.
Janeway? Picard has transmissions with Janeway? Why? Does he want to make himself a really bad captain by getting influenced by her? Leave the woman alone! Don't touch her with a fifty-foot pole!
Data's got another brother? WTF?
How reliable is this information? Sounds good, but let's not take it too seriously yet.
[ August 10, 2001: Message edited by: PopMaze ]
For one thing, it could have just been Harry's musings about what should be included in the film. It could have been mundane details: Paramount releasing an approved script, or producers looking at sights to film.
Details of a possible plot need spoiler warnings. Harry gave spoiler warnings. The front page of Flare cropped off the spoiler warnings. Toss on a couple $$$ to make sure people know what they're getting into.
) sounds more plausiable and believeable, and not so rehashed.
"...Riker's bachelor party was said by Picard to have been attended by 'three Andorians, two Tellerites and a Gorn.'"
This is what I was afraid of. A passing reference to, say, a Gorn would be okay. But just throwing in a list of three of aliens everyone wants to see like that sounds forced. He shoulod at least have mentioned either some common or some unknown speices in there, too.
"At the end of the film, Picard tells his new first officer, Commander Madden, that their first asssignment is going to be to explore the Denab system. 'It should be exciting. It's a place... where no one has gone before.'"
A typo for "Deneb"? If so, I'm not going to even bother pointing out why this is blatantly stupid. But, then, even if it was spelled "Denab" on purpose, didn't someone say that's how it was spelled in some TOS scripts? Either way, I don't think they're going anyplace new.
WTF?
Will he scream "DANGER, JEAN-LUC PICARD, DANGER!!!" or some shit like that?
Kill the advanced Data, because Spiner doesn't want to play him anymore, and replacing it with B-9, played by the same man!
If doesn't want to appear in Star Trek XI, then the story can simply be that B-9 has not fully integrated Data's neural copy into his own positronic matrix. Thus, he gets to spend quality time with Commander Maddox for a while in order to learn.
By the time Star Trek XII comes around, B-9 could be fully ready to return to the cast if Brent Spiner choses to reprise the role. If he doesn't, then B-9 is still adapting or the integration was finally complete and he decided to pursue an interest outside of Starfleet.
Don't you guys thing its a little freakin' corny that this android is named after the Robot from Lost in Space?
In case you didn't catch my solar wind, there...
Isn't Picard's little list about the people present at Riker's party a bit weird? I mean, would our Picard really toss out a comment not all that much different from "Riker's party had three blacks, two hispanics and one queer with a really ugly nose"? Do Andorians, Tellarites and Gorns still hold such a high freakiness value that the mere mention of their races will make the 24th century audience snicker and giggle?
It's a bit too late for safety belts now, after two or three centuries's worth of crews have done without them (the TMP-ST3 thigh restraints being a short-lived exception).
The E-E should have saucer separation, since separation is the only reason for having a saucer in the first place. This would be an one-off maneuver, as with Kirk's ships, naturally.
Algeron was said to "have kept the peace for seventy years" in "The Pegasus". This need not mean the treaty was signed seventy years prior, only that it had had the desired effect for that length of time. Perhaps it was blatantly violated for the first 150 years (or rather the 50 years between the Romulan return in "Balance of Terror" and the re-isolation after Tomed)?
Den*b being unvisited sounds like a really silly thing for Logan to write, considering he must know very well the references to Deneb in TOS and TNG. Or then Logan is smart enough to know that Deneb is really far away and *ought* to be out of reach of Federation ships, and he's got some sort of a master plan to rework the universe and put right what once went wrong...
Otherwise, there's a lot of good in the movie if the spoilers are accurate. The part I really hate is the central motivation of the bad guy. He has to meet and kill Picard for - technobabble?!? It all sounds awfully convoluted and unintuitive. Why should somebody's life depend on getting a substance from one's identical twin, when Trek medical and synthesis technology is so full of wonders? Why would extracting that substance be lethal to the donor?
A simple "This universe isn't big enough for the two of us" would have been far better. Or perhaps he would have hoped to actually *become* Picard, to swap places to carry out a cunning plan. THAT would make him a tragic hero-villain - he has to murder a person he respects since it is the only way to attain a greater goal, possibly a goal the audience would sympathize with. In the current version, all he'd have to do would be to send email to Dr Crusher and ask her to cure his illness.
Timo Saloniemi
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The E-E should have saucer separation, since separation is the only reason for having a saucer in the first place.
Er, what? This is post-TNG revisionism at its worst. The E-D had a saucer, the saucer could separate, thrown in a vague line from "A Taste of Armaggedon" and you arrive at the conclusion that any ship with a saucer can separate, and therefore ships were designed with saucers to make separation easier? Your logic does not compute.
A sphere would offer a better volume-to-surface ratio for things like armoring or heat loss. A narrow, oblong structure would offer a lower silhouette for the volume in 3D combat, unless you are fighting one-on-one and are agile enough to always turn edge-on. If neither of these is a concern, then build a cube for ease of deck arranging. If you have Trek-style artificial gravity, that is. If you don't, build a cylinder for combined rotation/thrust gravity.
OTOH, a saucer is ideal for atmospheric entry. You can generate lift with it. You can turn it to generate formidable maximum drag or negligible minimum drag. When you land, you can skim on water or level ground using ground effect, and then rest assured that when you stop, your vessel will be perfectly upright and remain so. The possibly landing-damaged structure will lie flat to the ground and won't have to fight against gravity.
I'm rather sure that Matt Jeffries thought of planetary landings when he included a saucer in the Enterprise designs. Probably he didn't know of transporters at that point yet.
Timo Saloniemi