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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Now, I honestly can't say that this movie is THAT bad, (not so much as some TNG or VGR eps) but it does have some major isssues which I know have already been discussed ad nauseum, but I thought I'd beat the dead horse a bit more...

1.) "I'll take it from here, Ensign." Why the hell does Riker take the helm in the first place? He's an XO. The Ensign is specifically trained to fly the ship. Then, a minute later he tranfers control to manual. If they weren't on manual prior to this, then WTF difference did it make WHO was sitting at the helm? The computer was flying the damn ship!

2.) "Geordi, are those packets of metreon gas?" Why the f*ck is he asking Geordi, who's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down in Engineering, instead of asking the guy right behind him at the main scanner console?

3.) Apparently, Picard has a comlink wired into his head. How the hell was he getting Worf's signal in the cave, or Data's on the Son'a ship, IF HE WASN"T EVEN WEARING A COMMUNICATOR!?

4.) After Ru'afo (sp?) beams from the Holoship to the Collector, we see Picard, Worf, and that other guy Goln'a (sp?) on the bridge of the Son'a ship. Goln'a says the crew knows there's something wrong, and then he 'secures the bridge.' (I assume this is like locking the doors.) Then they realize Ru'afo is on the Collector, and Picard is going to beam over and stop him. Except, HOW CAN HE BEAM OVER IF THEY'RE STUCK ON THE BRIDGE?! What's more, when he does materialize on the Collector, it's a FEDERATION beam that he comes out of! (Rather than the orange ripple-y Son'a effect seen throughout the film.)

It's glitches like these that ruin the movie for me far more than the zit/boob/flotation-device jokes. I also just realized how lackluster the CGI is. No wonder people don't like this film. However, I must say that it reminds me a lot of a TNG episode, the way that the crew interacts with each other. That part of it was quite good.

An afterthought: The Bak'u are like the intra-galactic Amish! (But what's with the palm-sized walruses and the llamas? )

-MMoM

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Wouldn't the Amish be the intragalactic Amish?

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Say wha?

Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :

"Intragalactic" means within a single galaxy. "Intergalactic" means between two or more galaxies.

[ November 04, 2001: Message edited by: Woodside Kid ]

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

Its possible to wear a communicator in your pocket. And most ships have site-to-site transporter capabilities these days, so you can use the transporter to lock onto you on the bridge and beam you somewhere else.

Thanks for playing!

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

Just happened to re-watch "Descent" the other day, and it opened up whole cans of continuity worms. One of which happened to be the fact that Data is so-non buoyant, when he fell out of a boat once he had to walk a mile to the shore. This is in fact demonstrated in the movie. But then they go and throw in that absurd buoyancy-device gag. . . for no logical reason. Is this some little extra Geordi built in (since it presumably wasn't an original feature)? And why, given the sheer silliness of the scene, didn't he just vanish beneath the waves instead, leaving Picard to tell Anij they'd probably see him ashore in 20 minuyes or so?

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

The bak'u were within our one galaxy, were they not?

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Yes, but so are the Amish. Perhaps "interstellar" would have been a better choice of words. Not that I care, mind you.

As for the flotation device, it's quite possible that he was only intended to use it if others were in danger. His safety in the water was never in question, so what would be the point?

Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Omega:
As for the flotation device, it's quite possible that he was only intended to use it if others were in danger. His safety in the water was never in question, so what would be the point?

Right, and if you open up his torso access panel, there are lifejackets, dark chocolate bars, rations, water packages, survival blankets, signaling mirror, and emergency strobe light inside. Emergency propulesion is provided by him doggy-paddling for a top speed of 3.5kts.

Lt. Cmdr Data is fully certified by the Federation Marine and Water Sports Safety Commission as a aquatic lifeboat. However, occupants must still wear lifejackets while operating onboard Cmdr Data. As with other powercraft, one may not ride Cmdr Data in an intoxicated state.

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

Or its possible they just added a shitty airline joke because it was a shitty movie, and they didnt have much self respect to lose after the shitty boob jokes and the shitty pimple jokes.

(or maybe Data was so chagrined by his walking on the bottom of the ocean experience that he had a buoyancy system installed in him. Also, it came with a installation CD beta version of several new lovemaking techniques for him to be versed in with his fully functional self, since the sweet pleasure of making love in the ocean would have been lost to him at that point [short of dragging down the poor yar and drowning her]).

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

quote:
As with other powercraft, one may not ride Cmdr Data in
an intoxicated state.

Ah, well Tasha Yar already did this in the Naked Now ;o)

Did anyone else notice the DS9/ops red alert/warning signal being heard on the Son'a ship!?! That pissed me off.

Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :

Personally, I like the movie, its not on par with First Contact, but it ranks high when compared to TNG episodes (and I love TNG)

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

I almost expected him to say "Go Go Gadget Floatation Device!"

Posted by Kosa (Member # 650) on :

I know my father smerked at those jokes when he saw it. The jokes maybe helped to lighten up the movie for the non serious trekkers. The serious trekkers can just ignore them.

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

No they can't, those jokes are canon! 8)

Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :

"Go Go Gadget Floatation Device!"

[at the risk of being laughed ta for his sorry excuse for a sense of humor]

thats pretty funny!

Buzz

Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :

Maybe in the next movie he can have a set of helicopter blades come out of the top of his head.
lol

Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Vogon Poet:
No they can't, those jokes are canon! 8)

ROTFL