Kate Mulgrew last weekend confirmed that she would be appearing as Kathryn Janeway in the next Trek feature film, 'Nemesis.'
Appearing at the Philadelphia Slanted Fedora convention, Mulgrew told the audience that she would be "ordering Picard around" in the film, according to a report by Doug Wilson. The actress added that her part would require four days of shooting.
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Oh. I thought it was your mom.
Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :
I thought Mulgrew denied this at first?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
What, being your mum?
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
Edited the title
And my question will be: how are they going to pull this off? (I didn't watch Voyager so I really don't know.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Voyager spoilers $
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They got home.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Janeway will have most likely been promoted to Admiral. Or Starfleet's PR director... Wheaton's only doing 2 days of shooting...Janeway must show up on more than just a viewscreen...I'll wait and see how thet do it before poo-pooing it.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
They surely wouldn't make Janeway an Admiral before Picard, would they?
Would they?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Picard has been offered Admiral and turned it down. I'm sure they will continue using the rank even though he doesnt like it. Just like they promoted other people to Captain after Riker turned it down.
Janeway pulled a great young-hotshot military career move, what with getting stuck in an impossible situation and grabbing a lot of glory. (probably a lot of officers could have done what she did, but she is getting the accolades for being in the right place at the right time (or the wrong place for a long time i guess). Just like hotshot Admiral at the age of 37 Jim Kirk) Promoting Janeway would be a great Starfleet public relations decision in the Federation.
Among fandom, im not sure.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
NOOOOO!
Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :
Well, look at Admiral Ross. He's, what, Riker's age? Picard's pushing 75, meanwhile Ross is only in his 40's, maybe 50-ish. So, it would appear that promotions aren't based on age.
Then again, there's Commander Elias Vaughn from the DS9 relaunch who's over 100...
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Yeah, but Ross I can see as an Admiral. Janeway? Ick!
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
Picard is 75? huh. If only I can look that good when I'm 75.....
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Picard's ... what ... sixty-some?
My problem with Janeway isn't as much her age, as it is ... it's JANEWAY!
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: My problem with Janeway isn't as much her age, as it is ... it's JANEWAY!
I second that. Starfleet really should hang her for poluting the timeline as much as she did.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by David Templar: I second that. Starfleet really should hang her for poluting the timeline as much as she did.
Or for stranding Voyager in the Delta Quadrant to begin with.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Picard is (as of the last year of VGR) 68 years old.
When Picard met Kirk in 'Generations' Picard was 62. Kirk was.. 62. Interesting, huh?
Nechayev was probably younger than Picard, as was Pressman and Kennelly (unless, due to Elias Vaughn-style 24th century aging, they were much older than they appeared)
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Um...NO. 2378-2305=73
It's that damned "new math," I tell you.
Posted by Hunter (Member # 611) on :
quote:- Or for stranding Voyager in the Delta Quadrant to begin with
I'm sure that Starfleet would love to hang Janeway, but the problem is that Starfleet command probably made big news of voyagers survival in the DQ during the Dominion War i.e. Human intrest stories , propaganda "Fight hard so Voyager has something worth coming home to!" etc.
Of course once they realised what had happened they peobably hoped that theyed have time to bury it on the back pages of newspapers, along with stories about the harvest on Nowhere II, once she arrived but Janeways arrival a light year away from Earth saying that she's just neutred the Borg wouldn't have helped.
So instead of risking a public backlash they do what large organizations have done with icompetnes before, promote them to an area were they can't do any damage. Of course this does not answer the question of why they didn't try black mailing her in to resiging ('You resign or we charge Tuvok, Paris, 7 of 9 with various crimes') or why she hasn't had a vist by S31.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Perhaps because she won?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Yeah, I guess the bottom line still counts for something in the 24th century.
Silly net analogy #74565: How would you treat the captain who in 1934 goes AWOL with his entire ship somewhere in the Pacific, and in late 1941 reports back telling "I just blew to hell half the Japanese fleet, and btw, here's something called the H-bomb, which you can deliver using this nifty thing called the supersonic bomber - my personal contact from the Empire here will help you with the details, but remember to let my Incredible Trained Chimp Doctor accompany her, since she's carrying in her system some selective biowarfare agents we might want to unleash at a later date, and the Chimp knows how"?
If Starfleet is not morally too outraged at somebody handing over the victory to them so easily, they'll probably deify Janeway concurrently with the promotion ceremony.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Minor thought detail: how is Shelby's ego handling the fact that now some other person (another woman, no less, & one who actually got her own command...unless she really DID get Sutherland) knows more about Borg than her?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
She won't mind - she's busy fighting old Greek gods in the former (but possibly soon to be resurrected) Thallonian empire, somewhere in the Beta quadrant near Alpha Carinae. Read the "New Frontier" books... She's got the promotion, two starship commands so far, plus a husband and an apparently partially divine stepson. Borg? Who cares about Borg?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Fighting old Greek gods? Sounds a bit STARGATE-ISH to me.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
That's just a hobby project. She has been fighting religious zealots, planet-eating dark masses and the Timeship Relativity lately, and felt like taking a day off. And battling spaceborne triremes with a 24th century top-of-the-line starship doesn't sound as difficult as braving personally shielded, teleporting gods with nothing but an MP-5 and a confiscated raygun or two.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Could be worse, could have an MP3 instead. 8)
I'm curious why the mere fact she got Voyager transported to, then stranded in, the DQ should earn Janeway a court martial. Sure, some of her subsequent command decisions over the next seven years are slightly suspect, but why should a humanitarian gesture automatically condemn her, even if there were potential Prime Directive implications?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Exactly. That's what I think every time I hear someone wonder why Janeway would continue in good favor with Starfleet.
Getting knocked on your butt by a super powerful alien isn't proof of negligent command. And it certainly wouldn't get her court martialed. On the other hand, neither would having left things alone and using the array to come back in the first place. That decision would probably have been acceptably justifiable citing prime directive considerations.
So...her record goes like this: 1. Her ship and crew were abducted by a super powerful extra galactic alien. 2. She made one questionable decision that apparently caused very little long-term damage to the Ocampan civilization but was a real sacrifice for the Voyager crew. 3. She faced and survived countless threats making only a handful of questionable decisions over the course of 7 years which can easily be attributed to the extremem situations she was in. 4. She makes it home with so much new technology and information on the Delta Quadrant that the R&D boys will be wetting themselves 10 years from now.
There will be no courts martial for the Voyager crew
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Or rather, there WILL be an inquiry as a matter of course, but the chances of proceeding to an Article 12 hearing are (as Dr. Cavanaugh said last night)"diddly over squat."
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
An MP3 might make an effective weapon, actually.
"Die, you bastards!" *presses a button on a tricorder and it plays Shatner's "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"* *bad guys writhe about in agony*
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
The new math where 5s equal 9s?
Picard was born in 2309, not 2305. The last season of VGR was in 2377. 2377-2309=68
of course, assuming ST:X is shortly after VGR, then it is in 2378. That would make him 69 in the film, if that is when it takes place.
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Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
Wasn't it said that they got home 15 years after the last ep?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Mike: You might was to refer to the Encyclopedia on this one, since you're very wrong.
Eric: No, they got home in the last episode.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
He's not too wrong -- an age of 55 was given in the writers' guide, setting his birth in 2309. Of course, if that were the case, then Picard would've made captain at the age of 24, rather than 28. Blame whoever set Stargazer's destruction as far back as nine years ago, or made Picard command a single ship for 22 years. The revised birthdate from "Conundrum" (13 July 2305) makes Picard about 12 years older than Patrick Stewart.
The writer of "Tapestry" apparently thought this weird as well, and set Picard's graduation thirty years before the episode. Unfortunately, such a timespan is unacceptable given the established timeline. There's no way to correct the age now. Besides, it doesn't matter since McCoy can apparently live to be 137, so I'd expect Picard to manage just fine at 73.
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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I never refer to the goddamn encyclopedia.
I was going by the writer's guide, which stated he was 55 in season 1 (2364). And I thought that was what the chronology said too, based on Conundrum. But i am loathe to use either, and dont actually have copies of them in my home.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
The episode establishes birthdates for many of the characters, including 13 July 2305 for Picard, making him 59 in the first season. Besides, we know he was 21 ("Tapestry") when he graduated in "Class of '27", which supports it.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yes...a "Picard's backstory" thread is starting to form! Let's talk about the ship Picard commanded between the Stargazer and the Ent-D!!
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
You mean the Marie Celeste-class USS Flying Dutchman?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I really wish someone would explain to me why Picard HAD to have commanded another ship. And throwing the date on which Tasha Yar left her homeworld with him isn't sufficient evidence. Most likely explanation is he had a staff position, look at the Pentagon, a posting there is virtually a requisite for ever making General/Admiral.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
Virtually?
Is.
At least in the Air Force anyway.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
Do you not think Janeway's murder of Tuvix might raise some eyebrows at Starfleet? What about her general "screw going around; we will shoot our way through" attitude about getting home (would the Federation respond kindly when faced with an alien vessel doing the same)? How about her obsession with "U.S.S. Equinox," that involved her torturing an "Equinox" crewman, among other crimes? Perhaps the fact that she is delusional (she told Captain Ransom in "Equinox," quite sincerely (I think), that she never violated the Prime Directive) might concern someone.
Janeway should definately be court-martialed, with, perhaps, the fact that she ultimately brought "Voyager" home serving as her "get out of jail free" card. But she certainly should not be allowed to remain in Starfleet.
(On the other hand, perhaps a promotion to the Admiralty is in order, since so many admirals are delusional, immoral, do-whatever-they-please types.)
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Those are all technically valid readings of Voyager, I suppose, but they aren't the intended ones.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Yes, and why does the Maquis crew get off without a strike against them? They fought an illegal war against the Cardassians, which may well have led to Dukat's decision to overthrow the government.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
Well, I, personally was only pointing out (some of) Janeway's crimes, since there was a debate over how likely it would be for her to receive a promotion (or even stay in Starfleet). However, do the Maquis crew members even have anything to be held accountable for, other than their original "crime" of being Maquis? Sure, the Maquis as a whole was a cause of the Dominion War, but Chakotay, Torres, etc., as far as we know, did not do anything horrific as Maquis members. Indeed, aboard "Voyager," they grew as individuals (even if that growing was into a pussy-whipped yes man), and served productively. Thus, barring any horredous crimes they committed before "Voyager," the Maquis redeemed themselves aboard the ship; "jail time" for them would be punitive and useless. On the other hand, as individuals who resigned from Starfleet (Chakotay), or never graduated from the Academy (Torres, etc.), their Starfleet careers should have ended the day "Voyager" got home.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I just don't like the idea of Starfleet forgiving them. No matter their intent, they're traitors to Starfleet and the Federation. Give 'em a pardon? Fine. Let em serve in Starfleet? No way.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Starfleet does let members of "enemy" cultures serve, though. Their cultural background is typically not held against them (possible Admiral Saties aside), unless they participated actively in misdemeanor. And both Worf and Kira were known and unpunished murderers by UFP standards, yet still were given or allowed to retain the uniform. I guess the service is relatively forgiving in its personnel policies, as long as a command-level officer gives a favorable evaluation.
And Janeway would. And her position would be strong, what with her being a high-publicity savior of mankind and all. Starfleet would look really bad if it didn't reward the Maquis, even if that went against its previous principles.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Not to mention that the Maquis were probably more-or-less vindicated when the Feds went to war w/ the Cardassians.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
No, they weren't.
Had Dukat not marched in with an army and overthrown the lawful government, the actions of the Maquis could have provoked a war between the Cardassians and the Federation. Many members of the Maquis were traitors to the Federation and Starfleet.
Or would you like to see Eddington get his commission back?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Well.. his commission? Im not sure i characterize advanced decomposition as a quality of an officer.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Sorry, let me rephrase.
Assuming he hadn't died, would you think Eddington being allowed back into Starfleet "okay" or even "right"? Look at what he did! You don't let traitors back in -- and that's what Chakotay and Torres are: traitors.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
I agree with you, Malnurtured Snay, and I think what you suggest is what I said in my post regarding the Maquis. I think they redeemed themselves for whatever crimes they may have committed, so any "punishment" would be punitive and a waste of resources. However, they did choose to betray Starfleet, so they should not be allowed to serve in it once their service (aboard "Voyager") is no longer needed.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
My point is that the Maquis fouhgt the Cardassians, and everyone disliked them for it. But then the Cardassians became "the enemy", so people probably started thinking the Maquis were good.
Just like if, a few years ago, a bunch of US Americans had gone and tried to start a war w/ Afghanistan, they would have been "traitors". But then, today, people here would see them differently because Afghanistan has become "the enemy".
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Uh, no, the Taliban has become the enemy. The average Afghani has nothing to do with it.
If a bunch of mercenary Americans went out and started killing average Afghanis and the Taliban responded with military force, and then the U.S. went in to counter-attack the Taliban and we got dragged into a war, would you blame the Taliban or the mercenary Americans who went over there in the first place?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
That's rather arbitrary in any case. The connection between the Taliban and the terrorist strike is tenuous at best - obviously, the "resources" or "support" they could have provided were not significant to the success of the strike. But they are certainly an easier target than the terrorists themselves (like CaptainMike put it, "advanced decomposition" presents a difficulty in this respect), and they are a good enemy in many respects - no redeeming qualities, not much in the way of resistance or allies, and very, very far away from the rest of the world.
But the redeeming of people who in retrospect turn out to be "my enemy's enemy" is not typical of world politics at all. "Once evil, always evil" is far more typical. It does not help Stalinists that they fought the Nazis, or the Nazis that they fought the Communists, or the Communists that they fought the Czarists, or the Czarists that they fought the Prussians, Napoleon and the Turkish. The Northern Alliance is not going to get points of favor just because they happened to fight on the side of the good guys, not if they are back to their pre-Taliban antics. Similarly, I'd think that if UFP were Earth, the ex-Maquis would have to stop being Maquis and would have to denounce their former beliefs in order to get redeemed.
(A separate case is the elevation of a former enemy to the status of a respectable opponent. People like Rommel enjoy post-defeat/posthumous respect not so much because they might have opposed evil, but because they fought well and thus cannot have been all bad - else how come we didn't beat them more easily? The Maquis would not seem to fit these criteria at all.)
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
As was mentioned before, though, Chakotay resigned from Starfleet and Torres resigned from the Academy. Technically, according to what Starfleet's policy seems to be, they are not traitors. They legally left Starfleet and gave up their status as Federation citizens. They did not participate in a war against the Federation since the Maquis were fighting the Cardassians.
As allies of the Cardassians, the Federation was required to try and stop the Maquis...this would have ended when the Cardassians became the enemy.
Oh, and Picard said he was in command of a ship that couldn't have been the Ent-D or the Stargazer when he met Tasha Yar for the first time. To me...that says there must have been another ship in there somewhere.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Of course, all of the Maquis dont share the similar circumstances. And the arena of public opinion has always been a fickle place, so its very likely Maquis are regarded as heroes regardless of the nature of the beginning of their conflict.
Michael Eddington stole Starfleet property, assaulted Starfleet officers, attacked a Federation starship and nearly caused the deaths of many many Federation people.
He wouldnt be allowed back in
Tom Paris was drummed out of Starfleet, and then afterwards convicted of the crime of joining the Maquis. He served some time. (Which I have to wonder, how much? Kasidy was in pretty deep shit and only served 6 months.. same with Garak when he tried to hijack the Defiant's torpedoes. The Federation isnt a big fan of jail time)
He might have the hardest time getting back in, considering he was very definitely kicked out, but he is a golden boy in that he saved the day a million times and is an admiral's son. Not really fair, but things like that carry some weight.
Torres quit the academy and joined the Maquis. No evidence that she ever considered attacking Federation forces either.
Chakotay resigned his commission and joined. No evidence he ever took action against the Federation either.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Uh, no, the Taliban has become the enemy. The average Afghani has nothing to do with it."
Well, no shit. Why do you think I put "enemy" in quotation marks? I'm speaking of public opinion here, not people who actually have any concept of what they're talking about.
