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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

BTW, anyone who doesn't want spoilers about ST10, but was stupid enough to open this thread anyway, you might want to reconsider now.

This says Shinzon is supposed to have "golden" hair. Why? If he's a clone of Picard, altered to be Romulan, he should have dark hair. Darker than "golden", anyway. Young Picard had brown hair, and Romulans almost exclusively have black hair. I mean, I'm sure it could be explained as some sort of anomaly resulting from all the genetic whatsis, but it still seems odd. Personally, if I were in charge, I would have considered having Shinzon be played by one of the actors who has played Picard's younger self in the past: either the kid from "Rascals" (if he's old enough now) or the guy from "Tapestry".

Then again, maybe I'm just overrating continuity. :-)

Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :

Say what? Shinzon is a clone of Picard? Where'd this come from?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Isn't that the plot of the entire movie? Or was that rumor disproven?

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Uhhh ... although I've heard the "there's a clone of Picard" rumors, why do you assume it to be this "Shinzon"?

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Major Spoilers Below

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Just to be on the safeside of things.

Actually, everything I've read on the Star Trek X spoilers says that TSN is correct. Shinzon is out for blood and to conquer the Federation because he's Picard's reject clone. The Romulans somehow got Picard's DNA and cloned him. But something happened where they couldn't insert the clone into Picard's place. The clone later ends up being named Shinzon and has to grow up on the Romulan slave labor world of Remus. He supposedly also has an enzyme disorder and needs Picard to help him live. That's essentally the core plot of the movie.

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Major Spoilers Above!

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Erm...then what about this article?

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Ummm... What about that article? It simply announced that Tom Hardy has been selected to play Shinzon by Paramount Pictures. The last couple script treatments I read for Nemesis were over on the Ain't It Cool News website. I think it was Dark Horizon and Moriarty who did the spoiling.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Well, if Shinzon is a clone of Picard, would he not be played by PATRICK STEWART???

You confuse me much.

MMoM

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I think it would depend on how old the clone is. Or did you expect Young Jean-Luc in "Rascals" to be played by Patrick Stewart with a hair-piece?

One wonders *when* the Romulans decided to clone Picard, though. If it was after he first got command of Enterprise, then the clone shouldn't be more than 15 or 16 years old (depending on how long after Voyager the film takes place).

Then again, the Romulans might be able to accelerate growth a bit ... he "ages" a year and a half for every year or so. ::shrug::

Or we could learn about something Picard did on the Stargazer (or after, and before Enterprise) which captured the Romulans' attention to the point they decided to clone him.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

If the clone and Picard were supposed to be the same age, then, yes, they would be played by the same actor (Patrick Stewart). However, Shinzon's emergence in the world of the living only happened twenty-or-so years ago, I remember the treatment correctly. Since the clone is younger than Picard, they have a different actor to portray the younger-Picard-if-he-was-forced-to-be-on-a-dark-slave-world-for-many-many-years.

There are a couple of problems with the plot that I haven't heard about being resolved. One is that if Shinzon is supposed to have pale human features or pale Romulan features. His sidekick is described as appearing somewhat like a vampire with pointed ears. The other is that is Shinzon is only twenty-or-so-years-old, how did the Romulans get their hands on Picard's DNA? Twenty years prior to the setting of Nemesis is still in the Romulan Isolation.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Well, TPTB have been about as consistent with the "Romulan Isolation" from TNZ as with the Ferengi first contact in Last Outpost.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Okay, Jeff, episode titles belong in quotation marks. Series titles belong in italics or underlined. Thus, your post should have looked like this:

quote:
Well, TPTB have been about as consistent with the "Romulan Isolation" from "The Neutral Zone" as with the Ferengi first contact in "The Last Outpost." By the way, Siegfried, I worship that ground that you walk on. If I was a girl, I'd be on you like peanut butter and bananas on wheat bread.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Ahhh ... no.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Yes. That's standard procedure according to protocals. I shall quote from General Order 15, Section 3:

quote:
Episodes are to be denoted in the following manner:
"Episode Title" (Acronymic series title abbreviation [either TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VGR, or ENT.])
Films are denoted in any of the following ways:
Full film title.
Roman Numeral abbreviations. (STI [or STI:SLV, STI: DE], STII, STIII, STIV, STV, STVI, STVII, STVIII, STIX, STX.)
Acronymic abbreviations. (TMP [or TMP:SLV, TMP: DE], TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TFF, TUC, ST:G [or GEN], ST:I [or INS], [Proper abbreviation for STX not yet known.])
Series are denoted in either of these ways:
Full series title.
Acronymic three letter abbreviations. (TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VGR [sometimes incorrectly abbreviated as VOY], or ENT.)

So technically you are in violation of regulations, an deserve the reprimand you have drawn.

-MMoM

(What can I say, Snay? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! I accept my so-called myth!)

[ November 30, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I actually believe that.

Mim: "Did you see the episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season One - "The Neutral Zone"?"

Girl: "Uh, eh?"

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Actually, both episode names and series titles go in quotes. Movie titles go in italics.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Shut up.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

I really must disagree, Tim. The Encyclopedia and all books I've seen simply show series titles in italics.

Someone as distinguished as yourself should have known this.

-MMoM

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

From the Random House Webster's College Dictionary 1999 edition:

"Titles of plays and movies should be put in italics. Telvision and radio programs should be enclosed in quotation marks."
[examples given:]
Shakespeare's Hamlet
the movie High Noon
"Sesame Street"

What the Encyclopedia does is irrelevant. I'm talking about actual punctuation rules of the English language here.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Ahhh...but it could have been changed by the 24th century, n'est pas?

-MMoM

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Can we get back to the real point of this thread - that this "Nemesis" movie is sounding like one HEAP of CRAP! Clones - uhhh hello Star Wars: II.

Let's hope this is all dis-information.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Monkey: I'll be very surprised if, in four hundred years, the version of the English language being used looks much like what's in the Encyclopedia. To a resident of the year 2401, it'll probably look about the way Shakespeare's plays look to us. Maybe slightly less so. So, really, it doesn't matter what the rules are in four centuries. The book wasn't written in that language.

Andrew: That wasn't the point of the thread. I should know; I started it. The point is that, if Shinzon is a clone of Picard, he's not going to look the way we know Picard did at that age. Granted, this isn't a major deal. I mean, look at Braxton. Sometimes, getting the same actor to reprise a role just isn't feasible. I can understand that. But they seem to have pointlessly changed his hair color from brown to blonde. Why? Is it so important to the plot that he have blonde hair, that it makes up for the inconsistency?

[ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: TSN ]