I have searched high and low but there are no traces of a thread involving the episode “Starship Mine” but I’m almost sure this has been mentioned at least once. I was watching TNG today and I noticed something odd, Tim Russ (Tuvok) plays a maquis terrorist, and I’m not sure if it really supposed to be that character, but I hope he’s not for the following reasons. - Picard over powers him and renders him unconscious (not possible obviously He's a Vulcan for gods sake!), using ironically what I believe to be a Vulcan nerve pinch. - He is most likely killed by the baryon sweep, unless some act of god saved him. Somehow a cloaked or hidden ship transported him off the Enterprise, which is very unlikely considering they already had a transport ship available. - Or they production team made the mistake of casting a future actor to a new series (E.I. ST: Generations, that was explained nicely one of the voyager episodes. If anyone can rationally explain this please do because it has me baffled and thus the mystery of the constantly reappearing Tuvok once again.
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Tim Russ also auditioned for the part of Geordi LaForge, but was considered too young for the role by the producers.
The Russ character in Generations, I'm not sure that was explained in Voyager. He was shown to have served on the Excelsior, so I suppose it's possible it could have been Tuvok on the Enterprise-B, even though he was shown sans-Vulcan features.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:it's possible it could have been Tuvok on the Enterprise-B, even though he was shown sans-Vulcan features.
I don't think Tuvok switched from Science division to Engineering division and got promoted from Ensign to full Lieutenant within a year.
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Well, his rank on Voyager fluctuated enough not to discount it .
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Well, yes.
But these are just minor facts. The important one is, as you already mentioned, that he hadn't pointy ears.
[ March 17, 2002, 19:17: Message edited by: Spike ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Russ' character in "Starship Mine" wasn't Vulcan, was named "Devor", and ended up dead. What on Earth would make you think he was Tuvok?
Not to mention that Devor wasn't a terrorist (regardless of what the Encyclopedia says), and almost certainly wasn't in the Maquis.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Er, why wasn't Devor a terrorist?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike:
quote:it's possible it could have been Tuvok on the Enterprise-B, even though he was shown sans-Vulcan features.
I don't think Tuvok switched from Science division to Engineering division and got promoted from Ensign to full Lieutenant within a year.
Russ' character from Generations was a Tactical Officer. I remember he was listed as that in the credits. Besides at that point, even though they probably had the character of Tuvok thought up, Russ was not cast as Tuvok until after his part in Generations. Meaning, the writers and producers never intended the character to be Tuvok. It was all just a coincidence that the whole idea could work.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
In my version he was simply listed as "Lieutenant" in the credits.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
i believe Starship Mine established that the humans who commandeered the E-D werent the actual terrorists, but mercenaries who were being paid to obtain the trilithium resin for the terrorists. ah, semantics....
BTW.. Devor, the E-B Lieutenant, and Tuvok were all just characters on a TV show/movie series called Star Trek.. who were played by the same actor.. there is absolutely no connection between them.. Tim Russ also played a Klingon in a 2nd season DS9.. that doesnt mean that secret agent tuvok had his ears bobbed, popped over to DS9 and pretended to be a villain for that episode..
although if they ever did a Generations Special Edition or Director's Edition ( ST:VII:G:SE:DE for Mim ), it would be somewhat amusing to point his ears and make him a science ensign. but until then...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Yes, the people stealing the trilithium weren't terrorists, just theives who were going to sell the trilithium to someone (maybe terrorists, I don't remember).
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The terrorist leader said that she didn't have a political agenda but that she knew people who did. She was in it purley for the money. So no...her group was not a terrorist organization, but rather a mercenary group hired BY a terrorist organization (probably).
As far as her group being part of the Maquis...I don't think the Maquis had even been formed at that point. But I could be wrong.
"Flashback" explicitly states (or least implies) that Tuvok's assignment on the Excelsior was his last before resigning from Starfleet for the first time. He therefore could not have been serving on the Ent B since those events took place well after Star Trek: 6.
Now...here's the real zinger: When the guy was chasing Picard through the Jeffries Tubes and Picard managed to lose him by opening the floor plating and leaving his shirt behind...how exactly did Picard get out of the tube without running into the Baryon Sweep? He would have had to slither under that floor plating back the way he came right under the guy following him who was looking down at the floor the whole time...
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote: - TSN - Yes, the people stealing the trilithium weren't terrorists, just thieves who were going to sell the trilithium to someone (maybe terrorists, I don't remember).
They mentioned in the episode that they were terrorists, so where are you getting that idea from.
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
You musn't have read the post, oh, about three up. So, indeed, it is your idea that is the one with dubious origins and must be questioned.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
well this is the same guy who thought it a likely scenario that Tuvok would have his ears bobbed and then try and kill Picard. Love to see the logic in why he would do that.
spelling: Remmler Array
and there is a specific line where Picard calls the woman a terrorist, she laughs and says she is not a terrorist. This has led some of us to believe that she is not a terrorist. I don't feel misled...
[ March 18, 2002, 09:38: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
koy'peled Oy'tio, have you ever watched any Kevin Smith films? Did you see "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back"? Did you wonder why Jay and Silent Bob went and talked with Jason Lee w/o a beard and then Jason Lee w/ a beard and acted like they hadn't talked to him already? Therein lies your answer...
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Tim Russ was also in the DS9 mirror universe, as well. I don't think he had pointed ears, though. Anyone know?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
He had pointed ears and was intended to be mirror-Tuvok.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yep. The first Voyager character to cross over into another series...well sorta.
I thought that was actually a really cool tie in. I remember seeing it for the first and thinking, "Oh, sweet!" I also thought Dax as the cranky, white tee shirt wearing mercenary was pretty cool too....
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Koy'peled Oy'tio: To answer your question: Several Star Trek actors have played different roles. It's happened many times before, is happening now, and will most likely happen in the future. Just because that happens, does not mean that one role is supposed to have anything to do with the other.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Don't worry about it, kid. There are other people here who don't realise it's a TV show either. And don't even mention Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. . . 8)
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Why, did Santa stand in for the Easter Bunny during his stint at rehab?
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He's a Vulcan for gods sake!), using ironically what I believe to be a Vulcan nerve pinch.![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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