How far is Voyager from the Federation now? I seems to me that they jump at least 300 light years every other episode. In last week's episode, did they not jump another 300 light years? I think the ship is getting pretty close to home now.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
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In "Dragon's Teeth" they jumped 200 light-years.
*looks to Krenim for Voyager's distance from Earth*
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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
As of "Dragon's Teeth," Voyager had 23074.58408 light-years left to go.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Oh, and another thing, Saboc. . . try looking back through old threads, in the archive and so forth. This question has been asked so many times, most of the threads in this Forum are about that!
Posted by Saboc on :
sorry... and thanks..
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
What about a forum FAQ or maybe even a large LCD-like display saying: "Voyager is .... light years away" or "The Defiant is currently .... meters long"?
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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
I'd love it if I had the knowledge to make a countdown device, but I don't.
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
The Defiant is 1 times the size of itself.
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Posted by Lt. Tom on :
In news today, the Federation has adopted the Defiant-class vessel as the standard unit of measurement. A spokesbeing for the Federation Bureau of Weights and Measures commented, "God help us if anyone tries to figure out a precise length for an isodefiant." Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
Oh yes, thanks for reminding me...didn't I mention that the Defiant is actually 422.3 isometers long? Of course, the number of isometers within a meter varies with subspace density, warp plasma distribution, and the number of field layers within the inner coils.
Boris
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Posted by Chris on :
You wanna know how far Voyager is from the Federation? Well, that depends on how large you think the Federation is (10000 ly? 8000 ly? 100 ly? There has been a great confusion on this!). However, according to my revised calculations, which are now based on an Excel spreadsheet (great program! if you know how to use it ...) they still have 28300 ly to go to Earth (in Dragon's Teeth they travelled 200ly? Well, then 28100 ly, but that's pretty much the same). This pretty much fits with Rick Sternbachs statements in newsgroups and via e-mail. I got 1450 ly (1250 ly now) to the Delta-Beta border, he says 1500 ly (before Dragon's Teeth). Furthermore, he once said in Beta Voyager would still have to go 29500 ly. That's too much, if you place Earth at the right place (24000 ly from galactic core, according to NASA) and assume that Voyager *is* still in the Delta quadrant. I will soon post the spreadsheet along with updated maps to the Star Trek cartography of my Star Trek Dimension, so stay tuned.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Alternatively, we could just ignore you until you learn to stop spamming your pathetic little website with every other sentence. . .
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So after using the slingshot in "The Voyager Conspiracy" what's Voyager's position? How many lightyears to Earth?
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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Well, I see the episode tonight, but from what I hear, its quite confusing. They apparantly gain another 30 sectors, but that's also described as 3 years closer to home. So, its either 600 ly or just under 3000. I'll wait until I actually see the episode to pass judgment, although I will probably go with the 600 ly.
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Krenim any luck on those figures on Voyager's location?
In "Pathfinder" I believe Barclay said that Voyager was 60,000 away?! I'd have to rewatch the episode.
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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Well, from what Frank tells me, "Pathfinder" throws our assumption that Voyager travels at about 1000 ly/y. Instead, they go at Warp 6.2. So, I have to go and redo all my calculations...
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
That's just because Rick Sternbach errorneously assumes that Warp 6 = 1000 ly/year. He said that a while ago on the expertforum.ricksternbach. Unless the distance has (for some weird reason) been increased back to 60,000 ly, I see no reason to change the calculations. So what, Warp 6 is sometimes faster than we think, no biggie.
Boris
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
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Yeah, but that's Barclay.
Has Voyager made any large jumps since Message in a Bottle? I don't quite remember the sequence of eps. Not counting last week's 3000 ly, of course.
And might the statement that their average warp speed is 6.2 help explain how they're further away than we thought, and why Kazon space seemed so big? Maybe they really AREN'T getting that 1000ly/year. That would make Kazon space seven or eight hundred lightyears across, which seems far more reasonable. And before someone bring up the objections of "but they said that they were 70 years from home, so they HAD to estimate 1000 ly/year", maybe we've been misinterpreting the numbers they give us. They said they were 70,000 ly's from where they were. Bajor's deep in Alpha. Maybe when they say "so-and-so years from home", they mean the Alpha quadrant in general.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Uh, between "Hope and Fear", "Night", "Timeless", "Dark Frontier", and the sixth season, they've jumped about 30,000 light-years...
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
What about saying that warp 6.2 (or about 400c) was the speed maintained by Voyager through conventional means up to "Message in a Bottle"? Can the math be made to work out if we assume this initial yearly average, add all the jumps (rounding up if necessary), assume an increased yearly average for post-"Message" episodes and try to end at 35,000 ly by "Equinox"?
Then all we have to explain away is why Barclay succeeded despite having too low an estimate for conventional speed. I'm quite ready to believe Barclay used a conplex formula for figuring out how much the Voyager would jump and where, but neglected to report this addition to his calculations because
a) it sounded too crazy even for him b) he thought the listener would not be interested in details c) he thought the listener knew already d) he just forgot in the anxiety of the moment!
Say, he could have monitored strange deep-space transwarp signatures and guessed which of those were made by the Voyager. The new formula then probably did give more or less valid results, but with huge marigins of error, which is why Reg kept shouting all those alternate coordinates in the grand end chase. Incredible luck then allowed him to pick the right ballpark after just N attempts (of which we only saw three or so).
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
Has someone got a list of all known jumps and the episodes in which they occurred? Psiphi.org has the following: "Caretaker" ...... 75,000 light years First Season ..... -1,000 Second Season .... -1,000 Third Season ..... -1,000 Fourth Season .... -1,000 Fifth Season ..... -1,000 70,000 light years of normal travel
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, now we can reduce those five years of travel to closer to 2500 ly, if you assume an average velocity of 6.2. Then if you assume that they just started going 6.2 when Seven got her astrometrics lab, and were going 5 before, you can reduce that to about 1200. Kes' jump was 9500 ly. The course corrections due to astrometrics don't really change the distance, just the average speed. And the wormhole probably wasn't in a straight line, and may have even added distance, just to get them out of the void. Add Janeway's statement that they added two years by avoiding Borg ships, and it just MIGHT work out that they were, in fact, 35000 away as of Equinox.
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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
And you know, that 5 light-years is probably cummulative. It will just take x many light-years off every year, and add up to 5-years off at the end of their journey, so that 28,000 + 5,000 = 33,000 which can be rounded up to 35,000 light years.
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