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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

As we all probably know by now, the next ep is all about Charles Barclay's obsession with getting Voyager home...

Does this mean that the episode is going to be a TNG episode with very little Voyager interaction.

I've read some interview with Martina Sirtis and Dwight Shultz ... but they didn't reveal too much.

Anyone have any thoughts or insights as to how Barkley could contact Voyager a whole Quadrant away???? Well.. is it half a quadrant now??

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

It's Reginald Barcley, and didn't you see that big satelite in the episode promotion video??

*innocent whistle*

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

In the porno!?! Star Trek: Voyeur!?! wha!?!

oh sorry Star Trek: Voyager Promo...

heh heh

*trails off*

Andrew

Oh just thought of another one - Star Trek: Viagra

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

To be honest, I didn't even see the Promo yet...

SO.. big satalite dish eh??? That's one honkin' Satalite Dish !! Just think of all the channels you'd get with that sucker!!

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Ok.. downloaded the promo... looks like it's going to be a good ep.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Hm... After "The Voyager Conspiracy", the only trailer they showed was for that special hosted by Jason Alexander. I take it "Pathfinder" will be in two weeks?

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Nope, next week, along with that special.

But the promo is actually very good; it's related to the episode's contents...

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Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

I didn't get the preview either. Damn you, UPN.
I guess I'll download the preview now...

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

I thought I read somehweres that it had something to do with artificial micro-wormholes, not that it matters...

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

This is where I got the trailer:
http://www.warp11.com/frames.shtml

Trek archivist Richard Arnold mentioned [at the Galileo Convention in Berlin, Germany] that we will be able to see the Enterprise-E in the upcoming Troi/Barclay episode Pathfinder!

The above from the same site!! Check it out TSN!

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Wasn't that E-E rumor killed a while back?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

That guy at warp 11 - at the link above - that 'old admiral' pic - thats George Kostanza's boss from the Yankees in Seinfeld!!!!!! heh heh

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

No Enterprise, and that Admiral's name is (drums please) Paris.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Ya... IT's Tom's dad...

We saw him in a very EARLY ep of voyager didn't we???

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Hey.. I just had a thought... hehe.. yes it happens sometimes !!

When the Voyager crew talks to Barclay ... I'm assuming they'll notice the change of uniform. I wonder if they'll conform to the new dress code AFTER this ep.

I love the Grey/Black uniforms.. You think this'll happen???

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

I just read that Barclay creates a holograhic image of the crew.. maybe he doesn't contact them after all..

Has anyone heard whether or not he actually does makes contact with Voyager or not??

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

They do. Go to TrekToday.Com.

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

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Well, from what I heard, Barclay contacts Voyager with his wormhole, after that he becomes obsessed with them, makes holograms of them, become holoaddicted, and that is where we se Counselor Troi-to help him.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Here is a Sirtis interview that tells nothing much that we don't already know about the ep. No new movie plans as of yet.
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue136/interview.html

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

If that is Admiral Paris - its a different guy to the one we saw - or Tom Saw in season 1/2 - that Kes ep with the Telepathic Bothan...

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :

Warren Munson. He was seen in "Persistance of Vision," and heard in "Thirty Days."

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Well then.. my hope survives !!! Maybe after talking with Voyager, they'll change uniforms. Hail the Grey and Black!!

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Hm... From what was in the trailer, I assumed he only made audio contact w/ them. That would mean they couldn't see his uniform. Besides, the doctor already saw the new uniforms in MiaB, and they didn't change. I find it hard to believe they would now, even if they saw Barclay's.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I don't think they will change the uniforms in Voyager, because it gives an extra emphasis on Voyagers crew being far away from home.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

You're probably right... but I will dream.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

I prefer the Voyager uniforms... particularly for that show. It's less "dark," so why should the uniforms not reflect the universal atmosphere of the series?

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

I used to think the DS9 uniforms were good, but I long ago went off them. The FC uniforms are much cooler, and I think they'd look OK on Voyager. But I still oppose any change because it'd be nonsensical - of all the info to pass onto a ship trapped 35,000 LY away, new uniform patterns would be pretty far down the list.

But I really hope Barclay's got a promotion - if he's still a Lt. JG I'll be pissed.

Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

He actually looks like he's a commander (or lieutenant commander) in the promo.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

New uni's, after the contact, would make a good morale booster, and could be done just for that purpose.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Ya.. but The First One's got a point.. why spend replicator rations on new uni's.

Unless Neelix becomes a tailor too!!! But even then he'd have to replicate the fabric... Unless he gets a good deal from some native DQ trader!!

They can write a whole ep about how Neelix gets new uniforms for the Voyager crew to boost their morale!!

hehehehe...

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Considering how Neelix dresses I doubt the crew would want him making their uniforms.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

I suspect Alshrim is making a reference to a Crusade ep. . . 8)

Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Hobbes: Good point...

and you know, I watch Crusade for just a while.. and I couldn't get into it much. It had potential tho'

Is it still aired??

BTW: Two days left till Pathfinder airs... Tick tock tick tock !! I'm anxious to see this one. Should proove an interesting ep.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

The Bell Boy suits!

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Only one day left... woohoo

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :

When "Message in a Bottle" first aired, I was hoping the crew would get new uniforms, but now that time has passed, I think I prefer the old uniforms on Voyager better.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

As do I Krenim. Even though I'm trying to figure out how many layers of shirts they wear. The black jacket with the department color, purple-ish undershirt, and a tanktop under that from what I've seen. It must be pretty cold onboard starships to wear all that.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Who are we to question 24th Century fashion .. :p

Why do kids these days where pants that threatens for fall off their hips and wear metal in their faces !!??

I suppose the Voy crew would ask the same questions of us if they ever saw us ..

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Well, right now the suit I'm wearing is three-piece, although I do usually dump the jacket. Waistcoats can be bloody comfortable, so I'm not surprised commanders like Picard or Sisko get them. . .

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

You should wear your status line to work on a badge!

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I felt sorry for Jake having to grow up - and go through puberty in those one piece numbers...

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Starfleet denies accusations of promotion

San Francisco, Ca. Sources at Starfleet Command were quick to deny allegations Wednesday that they were engaged in promoting their officers.

"These rumours are an outrage," fumed Admiral Murgatroyd, head of Public Relations for the military branch of the Federation. "Whoever has been spreading these scurrilous accusations will be hunted down and prosecuted to the full reach of the law. It is a grave insult to the many millions of men, women and things serving in Starfleet to suggest that they do so for any sort of career advancement."

Admiral Murgatroyd pointed with pride to Lt. Commander Data, Second Officer of the Federation's flagship USS Enterprise, who has retained his current rank for nearly 15 years. "There's the kind of example we like to see," he said, adding defensively "and it's nothing to do with his being an android either!"

Federation news services have been unable to confirm the rumours, and the only officer suspected of being promoted, Lt. Reginald Barclay, dismissed the suggestion with a vague mention of 'writers screwing up,' before turning green and running away.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Although we could be happy he did get the right rank.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

ARRGGHHHHH!!

I am soooo pissed !!!

There I was ... ready to watch this long awaited ep ... and BAM!!! Freakin' Jerry McGuire movie on instead of Voyager !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I haven't seen it yet !! Man oh man.. I'm ready suffer a warp core breach!!

I'll have to catch the Saturday Ep.

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Posted by Lt. Tom on :

Join the club, Alshrim... Detroit Pistons basketball. Catch the excitement. Or not.

Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Came on here and recorded it. Good episode. I'm glad they actually contacted Voyager. Looks like there could also be future contact as well.

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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :

I really enjoyed the episode. At first I didn't think that they were going to contact voyager but they did. It was a well done show.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

*drools with envy*

Lucky duckies !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :

What other web sites have the promos besides Vidiot? I was upset when Startrek.com stop making them available.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

www.warp11.com
http://www.mediatrek.com/scfihq/scifi/main.htm

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

I finally saw the ep!!

I loved it ! Lotsa suspense.. even a bit of 'barclay espionage' !!

When do you think they'll talk to the AQ next.

The one thing I didn't understand was .. why couldn't they recreate the micro-wormhole after it had collapsed??

Was it because the Pulsar was moving out of range?? You'd figure they'd have a greater window to play with where that is concerned!!

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :

From what I understood, the pulsar was destroyed when the micro-wormhole was created. When it collapses, there was nothing left.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

I see ...
So.. they actually imploded the pulsar to create a mini-wormhole... would that create a HUGE wormhole??

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Pulsar imploding? I didn't pick up on that. Based on what, exactly? I ask because, as a neutron star, a pulsar is about as imploded as you can get without collapsing to infinity.

Anyway, the impression I got was that the conditions required (position of array, position of pulsar, various subspace conditions, etc.) were sufficiently rare as to make the timing critical.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I watched my new favorite ep of Voyager last night. Sol was right, they never said anything about the star being destroyed

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Alrighty then.. thank you for the clarification..

Now..my original question stands.. Assuming that time WAS critical, could they not STILL retry the communication by aiming the array at the pulsar's new position and attempting it again!?

Is there another theorectical way to create a mini-wormhole?

I guess they would have to build the array next to a pulsar similar. Knowing that.. I wouldn't waste anytime. They could theoretically create a bigger array next to a pulsar, contact Voyager again through a bigger wormhole, then piggy-back and transporter beam through the carrier wave and voila: Voyager crew is home.

Not very exciting but theoretically sound wouldn't you say?

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Posted by Lt. Tom on :

The big deal was that a specific type of pulsar was going (class B itinerant or whatever) was passing within four billion klicks of the MIDAS array. They may be able to point the array in the right direction, but the pulsar wouldn't be close enough.

It also seems like SFC now has the ability to communicate with Voyager at will, but Voyager can't respond until they build a hyper-subspace communications array. (Which, apparently, doesn't have to be as big as MIDAS.) IIRC, the original idea was for SFC to transmit their hyper-subspace data to Voyager and wait for them to respond.

I don't think beaming everyone through is really feasible, since the micro-wormhole didn't stay stable for very long. Even though they were able to pull off a data transfer, beaming 140-odd people and a holoemitter would take a while.

Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

That's what I'm saying tho'

Why don't they park the MIDAS array near the same type of pulsar.. surely it's not the only one...

They can make the array bigger and better, now that they know what they have to do...

make a bigger more stable wormhole... BOOM.. instand transporter corridor.

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Posted by Lt. Tom on :

"Parking" the MIDAS array next to the same sort of pulsar would be a problem, since an itinerant pulsar would by definition be moving. If you could get a starship to tractor it, you might have something, although that might give you problems keeping it in alignment with the pulsar. Of course, a hyper-subspace transmitter might have to be stationary to work.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I suppose the question to ask is whether or not there are any non-itinerant pulsars that are of the right type to make the wormhole...

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Posted by Gepta001 (Member # 231) on :

I can't believe none of you pointed out the fact that voyager was like 30,000 light years closer to home than SFC would have known, so there is no way that they could have contacted them.

My idea to contact voyager is to create micro worm holes at specific distances and transport little transponder beacon thingees that voyager could use to keep in contact with SFC. What do you think?

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

But why settle for just that, when you can use another pulsar (whatever its designation) to create a big enough wormhole that they can send a probe into where they can route a transporter signal through and beam them over to the AQ -- as was suggested in the first or second season with the Romulans!!!??

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Posted by Lt. Tom on :

Marc: I think the distance problem was pointed out in one of the several threads dealing with Pathfinder. I don't think the beacons would be used, since SFC is already counting on Voyager to build a hyper-subspace transmitter. Also, I would think that a micro-wormhole would be much too small to admit a hyper-subspace relay.

Alshrim: We don't know if you can use anything but a class-B itinerant pulsar to make a micro-wormhole, much less a larger one.

Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

I don't know if anyone pointed this out. But it was a nice touch with that picture of Cadet Paris on Admiral Paris's desk. Eventhough it was actually Cadet Nick Lacarno.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I wonder if they knew each other at the Academy. Maybe they tried to pass themselves off as twins... :-)

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Braga said in an interview, that this ep would change the show, so I must assume that they will find a way to contact SF again, by adding the relay to the ships systems.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

Kosh: I heard the same thing.. I heard that this was the episode that starts the big snowball rolling down the hill as far as getting Voyager home..

I think that towards the end of the season, they'll know a way home, and getting there is the BIGGEST problem held over for next season!

LT.Tom: Good point.. but I doubt very much that this one is the only example of that type of pulsar in the AQ. I'm sure they could find another one to use.

IT'd be small of us to think that it was the only one. IF there was one.. there are others.. of that I have no doubt.

Send a science vessel out to survey for one. As Admiral Paris.. I wouldn't waste any time .. I'd be sending a ship out looking for another one PRONTO.

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Posted by Lt. Tom on :

The problem isn't finding another pulsar--heck, the one they used in the ep could still be viable. I do see a few potential problems, though. First, if the pulsar has to be itinerant (read moving), the array would have to move with it to sustain the wormhole, and I've already mentioned the problems with that. Even if you could find a suitable stationary pulsar, you'd have to park the array by it. It seems that constructing a new array would take quite a while, and we don't know how long it would take to disassemble the existing array, transport it to the site, reassemble it, and prep it for use. Obviously, the quickest method would be to tractor it, but we don't know if the array can handle a tractor beam or warp travel.