Is it true that Cpt Janeway's first command was the USS Billing? I was watching one of the older episodes where Tuvok told commander Chakotay that "when the captain was in command of the USS Billing, during a survey mission...." Any input is appreciated...
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, the line didn't change on MY version of the tape, so I'd say yes, until someone at Voyager decides to pull a Captain Kirk on us and switch it.
Oh, and it's the U.S.S. Billings, not Billing.
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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
In the encyclopedia doesn't even mention that.. Musta been and add in for the show.
says here:
"Early in her career, Janeway served as science officer aboard the USS Al-Batani."
There is no other mention of any part of her command career. Chalk it up to writer's freedom I guess.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
It would seem logical that Tuvok has served under Captain Janeway before.
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Posted by Saboc on :
yup, I think he did. He also served with her onboard Voyager I think 3 years before the pilot episode. By the way, does any know how old is Tuvok?
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Posted by Lt. Tom on :
It would have been rather difficult for anyone to have served under anyone on Voyager for very long before "Caretaker", since her first mission was to track down a certain Maquis ship lost in the Badlands.
Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Tuvok is the only person that could've served under her before, isn't he?
And wasn't the episode "Night"?
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Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :
I don't think this would be canon, but the novel Star Trek Voyager Mosaic by Jeri Taylor says she commanded a science ship with Tuvok under her command. He pointed out she did not do battle exercises as much as she should.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
There is definately TWO ships mentioned that Janeway served on during her career one was the Al Batani...
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Caretaker" wasn't Voyager's first mission, was it?
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I want to say yes, it was. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the impression given.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
It sertainly was the impression given in 'Relativity'.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The only unaccounted for time regarding Voyager's history is between her launcing (this could include shakedown cruises and what not although it isn't clear as to whether Janeway was in command at this point) and her arrival at DS9. It is likely that Janeway got to the penal planet where she first met Tom Paris aboard Voyager on her way to DS9. So while it is possible that Tuvok served with her for a time on Voyager, it wasn't for very long since he had to go infiltrate the Maquis. He has served under her on other ships before though. The Billings was her first command (this could've been the science ship mentioned in Mosaic). She served about the Al-Batani but did not command her. I'm guessing there was at least one other Janeway command between the Billings and Voyager since the Billings is called her first command and not her previous command.
Tuvok is over 100 years old. Old enough that he wouldn't survive the trip home should it have taken the crew as long as they originally thought.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
The penal settlement was on Earth in New Sealand (sp?)
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Was the settlement on Earth? I guess I always thought that the colony was called the New Zealand penal colony but that it was on some other class M planet. I really never thought about having a penal colony on Earth. I'll have to rewatch the ep and see if there are any distinctive land masses shown that would indicate it is Earth.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I always assumed that the New Zealand mentioned was Earth's.
Voyager's ded plaque says the ship was launched 48038.5 and "Caretaker" was 48315.6 so it's reasonable to assume the Badlands mission was the first.
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Posted by Saboc on :
For a Vulcan, 100 years old is not old at all. Sarek was about 100 years old during the TOS. When he died, I think he was like at least 200 years old. If it wasn't for the Bandi Syndrom, he'd still be alive. By the way, Spock is about 150 years old, right? One more thing, how old is Janeway?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, I didn't say that 100 was old for a Vulcan. I just said that he's old enough to be in the same boat as everyone else on the ship: He wouldn't survive a 70 year trip back to earth.
It's never been said how old Janeway is in order to keep her back story open, but Kate Mulgrew is at least in her late 40's. 40's or 50's would be a reasonable age for someone who has been given command of at least two starships. It's probably closer to late 50's. According to Picard's timeline, he's in his 70s and he still looks fabulous!
Dax: If the colony wasn't on Earth, it may have simply been named for the Australia/ New Zealand area which was at one point in Earth's history, used as a penal settlement. I just have trouble believing that the Earth government would turn New Zealand into a Penal settlement again.
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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :
Penal settlement could mean a glorified resort that has no wall or guards, and if you want to be accepted back into society you have to serve your time.
Abune Rune, For a Vulcan, 175 years old is nothing (if it takes 75 years for the ship to get home) Sarek lived for like 200 and something years. Spock is like at least 170 years old already and still alive. Does any know the average lifespan for Vulcans? I know that humans are about 85 years, right?
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Must be higher in the 24th century, don't you think? I mean, "they" say the average age will have risen to a hundred in like fifteen years or so! How old was McCoy in "Encounter at Farpoint"?
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Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :
I think he was 137. Maybe they'll be some mention of Admiral/Dr. McCoy's death because of the death of the actor on an episode of Voyager (one where they contact, or we see, Earth again).
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
O.K. One more time. Tuvok is not old. Say he's 140 now. Not old for a Vulcan. But, if the trip took 75 years, that would put him a decade or so over 200. In all likelyhood, he wouldn't survive the trip. Sarek was just over 200 when he died and all evidence points to the fact that he was a very old man, even by Vulcan standards. The only average lifespan that I can think of that might ever have been given for Humans, Klingons, and Vulcans is in one of the Quark books (no not canon I know).
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, Sarek probably wasn't overly old by Vulcan standards. I got the impression that he could have lived quite a bit longer if not for the Bendii Syndrome. I would say a 200-year-old Vulcan is a bit like a 70- or 75-year-old human today. Sure, they might die at any time, but they're also likely to live a lot longer.
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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
TSN: thats basically the average human life span. Not that I disagree, I definately didn't get the impression that Sarek wasn't dying young, though some vulcans might outlive him.
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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
I remember an interview in TV Guide when the show started that explained this. At first, they were looking for an older actor to play an older Tuvok, for some reason they couldn't get one and Tim Russ got the part. The interviewee (?? someone important) stated Vulcans lived about twice as long as humans. Since humans live really long in the 24th century that 20? idea is ok. But, according to what I remember Tuvok was orginally supposed to be only 70ish because of Tim Russ's age (mid 30s when the show began?). This is, of course, screwed up because of the ep. with Tuvok on the Excelsior, but I just gave you guys something else to chew on.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, the only thing I'm going on when I say that the average Vulcan life span is about twice that of humans, is the fact that Bandii syndrome appeared to be an advanced age-related disease, like Alzheimer's. The "actual" Vulcan lifespan has never been released although I was always under the impression that Tuvok had to face the possibility that he would die of old age on the trip back just like everyone else.
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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Even if he does survive, the humans and probably most of the alien crewmembers are dead, and you can't run a ship on your own, so he'll eventually die as well.
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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
I'm sure that the crew would have childern and after all, Voyager is a small ship with a crew that has gone through a lot. I would think at the max a quarter of the crew has gone to bed with another crew member.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
heh heh I can just imagine! Crewman to Crewwoman: "Phew that jolt across Borg space was nerverwracking... wanna go to bed!?! ;o)
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Well, stranger things have happend on Voyager. If that ship can spew out more shuttles than we could stand, trade in the gorgeous Kes for the sex-kitten Seven of Nine, have the ship look like it never took any damage, and take long leaps to get closer to Federation Space, then the crew would be sleeping with each other by now.
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