Also note the alien woman, a Kobali, appears to be of the same species as the Borg Queen.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on February 18, 2000 11:17 PM:
Lt. Harry Kim?? Finally!!
And about that species: You could be right. Either that or it is the same species as Neelix...
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on February 19, 2000 06:59 AM:
Altair: According to the description, she's is supposed to have been turned into a Kobali. Since Neelix is Talaxian, it isn't the same...
And it doesn't specifically say that he's been promoted. It could just be a mistake.
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on February 19, 2000 11:02 AM:
Yes, it could be a typo. It is also possible that Kim might receive a promotion before that episode as well.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on February 21, 2000 02:32 AM:
Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on February 21, 2000 04:41 AM:
Where's Comd. Paris?
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on February 21, 2000 05:09 AM:
Hey! That's going to be a nice story element: Lt. Kim and Cadet Paris, the ranks are now the other way around
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Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on February 21, 2000 12:34 PM:
I have read other places that he will be promoted. I am glad he is being promoted because he does seem so young anymore.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on February 23, 2000 08:24 PM:
Uhm... I don't know how to say this, so see for yourself: (image capture from the 'Ashes to Ashes' promo)
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on February 23, 2000 09:44 PM:
I just thought of this: This doesn't mean that it won't happen. It could just as well happen at the end of the episode.
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on February 24, 2000 03:45 AM:
What if that is pic is part of a flashback scene? We don't know if there will be any flashbacks, but it could explain the picture.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on February 24, 2000 08:10 AM:
There was a flashback in the promo, but this wasn't it.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on February 24, 2000 02:26 PM:
Gawd! Has Garrett Wang gotten FAT! Look at him in "Caretaker" and then in that picture... he's pulling a Johnathon Frakes on us! ;o)
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on February 25, 2000 03:21 AM:
That's because of the MPEG width/heigth ratio Garret is not that fat.
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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on February 25, 2000 11:32 AM:
Did anyone see the episode after this one on that site? The Borg children still onboard Voyager??
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on February 25, 2000 01:15 PM:
Seeing as how the Borg children feature prominently in a story arc that carries the season right up to the finale, I'd imagine so. Not that you'll actually see them in any episode that isn't about them, of course. Them guest actors are expensive.
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on February 25, 2000 01:18 PM:
What story arc is that Sol?
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on February 25, 2000 11:11 PM:
From what I heard it is a lose 3-part arc containing the episodes: Collective, Ashes to Ashes and the season finale.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on February 26, 2000 03:13 AM:
phew! for a moment there I thought the part of Harry Kim was being played by Sammo Hung!
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Posted by Marko Latin on February 26, 2000 08:46 AM:
Why didn't Harry get a promotion a long time ago? He didn't mess something up and he was always one of the best officers on the bridge.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on February 26, 2000 10:12 AM:
I'd say he messed up in "The Disease". Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on February 26, 2000 12:40 PM:
I agree that Harry is long overdue for a promotion. He's proved himself dozens of times, but he's still just an ensign! This sucks. Janeway should get off her butt, stop chugging back the coffee and give her crew some appraisal! C'mon people.....Nog went from Ensign to Lieutenant in the blink of an eye. Not even three seasons! Harry should get more respect. He's been so damn funny in the last two seasons, too. My favourite scenes are with him and Tom hamming it up, ex: Turkey Platter. That line was priceless!! -------------------- "It is offensive, fortunately taste is irrelevant." -Seven of Nine
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on February 26, 2000 04:15 PM:
The only problem with promotions on Voyager is that they have no one else to go. If Chakotay were a full Commander for instance he couldn't get promoted. Of course he's a Lt.Cmdr so he could at least get promoted once.
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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on February 26, 2000 04:31 PM:
The last promotion I remember seeing on Voyager was Tuvok. Before that, Paris. Why isn't anyone else being promoted anyway? I've seen about more death scenes and burials than promotions onboard that ship.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on February 27, 2000 07:17 PM:
Well, Ensign Rollins from "Caretaker" did reappear as Lieutenant Rollins later on... But that's about the only promotion I've heard of so far.
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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on February 27, 2000 10:19 PM:
I don't think the Maquis people really care that much about their exact rank, only the pecking order aboard.
We don't know Chakotay's rank before he quit the service. I assume he was a Commander, but is only "pipped" as a LtComm because that was the rank of his predecessor on Voyager, and it might have been seen as a tad out of line to promote him higher. Who cares anyway?
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on February 28, 2000 10:59 PM:
Well, the Maquis would probably have a beef with Janeway if she arbitrarily demoted Chakotay from Commander to Lt.Cmdr even if there was no need to. Janeway in turn wouldn't be all that interested in voluntarily promoting Chakotay one extra step from his former Starfleet rank unless absolutely necessary. So it seems rather likely that Chakotay really was a Lt.Cmdr in Starfleet, not a full Commander (he might have been a simple Lieutenant or lower, but I sort of doubt that).
And Chuckles strikes me as a guy who wouldn't promote himself to Grand Admiral just because he quit Starfleet and joined a bunch of freedom fighters. He'd probably have insisted on being called by his former Starfleet rank even within the Maquis organization.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on February 29, 2000 08:56 AM:
Wasn't there a mention of a Lt. Com. that resigned to join the Maquis in "Journey's End" TNG? I think that was intended to be Chakotay. Not canon that it was him, of course, but it fits nicely, and gives us a probible rank.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on February 29, 2000 09:00 PM:
In practice, Chakotay might have been intended to be that Lt.Cmdr, but not vice versa. The character of Chakotay probably wasn't really developed yet when "Preemptive Strike" was written, so saying that the episode was covertly introducting him is a bit much - would any episodes of Voyager have been written at that point?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on March 01, 2000 02:16 AM:
Well, Preemptive Strike was the next-to-last ep of TNG, meaning it aired seven or eight months before Voy premiered. Surely they'd have had at least a rough character outline by then.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on March 02, 2000 08:17 AM:
So...
Did Harry get promoted or not??
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on March 02, 2000 08:44 AM:
Nope. He's still an Ensign.
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on March 02, 2000 12:25 PM:
Too bad, looks like it was a typo at UPN.com afterall.
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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on March 03, 2000 10:36 AM:
I think its time for ensign kim to get promoted. Nog went from cadet to lieuentant in four years.
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