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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Oh my god!

They totally screwed up this one!

Two STUPID STUPID things:
When the hypochondriac is laid onto the Delta Flyer's biobed, LOOK AT THE SCREEN ON THE BED!!
There's a bloody Windows (or Macintosh) context menu! Some huy just pressed the right mouse button! This is just too ridiculous for words!

Also, when Theory Man (or someone else) looks at a display, YOU CAN SEE THE MOUSE ICON!!

Does this prove Voyager is operated by Macs?

Obbiously, there wasn't time/money to do these scenes over, but it is very sloppy!

*sigh*

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

*Looks forward to digging his tape out tonight*

The other obvious blunder was when the camera panned back from theory-man at the beginning then out into space. The tiny little window it showed him looking out of has never been there (directly forward of the ventral phaser array) before and I doubt we'll ever see it again.

I did like the idea of Janeway getting sort of lost on the lower decks though and of all the crewmen being surprised to see her down there.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Well someone already pointed out the MacIntosh mouse cursor on the escape pod computer. But this is the first I've heard about the biobed thing.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I always had the impression that VOYAGER was a small starship ...

And being stuck on it for the past 7 years, don't you think she'd have paced every corridor by now?

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

quote:

Does this prove Voyager is operated by Macs?

Yes. The Kazon installed them.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

A handful of visual gaffes counts as totally screwing up one of Voyager's best episodes?

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

LOL@Kosh!!

Those Damn Kazon!

I don't know if I'd qualify this as one of Voyager's best episodes. The plot seemed highly contrived and I'm still not sure what the hell that thing that was chasing the flyer was.

There were some good one liners in it.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

The thing that makes up for all this is the fact that Rage Against The Machine's Tom Morello (damn he's good) played a nice little role (the guy telling Janeway how to get to theory-man).

Oh, yes, I almost forgot about the magical window.

Another pro was the first glimpse of deck fifteen, with the narrow corridors and the final bit of the M/ARA (but, should it still be glowing blue there?)
Also, AFAIK, this is one of the few occasions in the TNG era we get to see NCOs.

The three aren't wearing pips, but also aren't wearing embroidered thingies, like O'Brien. Maybe they are only needed when the NCO is in his formal uniform and when he/she is on bridge duty.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I've always wondered why STAR TREK has shyed away from showing NCOs ...

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I think Janeway's mind is slipping, in 'Relativity' she claimed to know the whole blueprint...

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

She does, but it is on a personal level, intimate, you might say......

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

The non pipped/marked people are CREWMEN! We've had plenty of Crewmen on VOYAGER.

Crewman Dalby from "Learning Curve" for one instance.

Andrew

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Posted by Soontir_Fel on :

So, The Doctor is a crewman (crewholoman?). Interesting. The first hologram to order people around.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

No, the Doctor is not intended to be a 'person' at all. He's an Emergency Medical Hologram, with no rank or grade. Only a position, wich is, in cases of emergency, (Chief) Medical Officer.

This makes me wonder: Does Starfleet see holograms like EMH's as sentient beings? I guess not, because for one thing, it is not allowed to have it's own will. Even I'm describing the EMH as an '�t'...

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Like Data, HoloDoc will probably be declared sentient in a big hoopla. He will go to an OIS type school, become an officer and eventually command a Crusher Class Medical Cruiser.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

Well right now it's obvious that Starfleet doesn't consider the EMH programs to be either sentient or deserving of free will, as they made all the Mark I's into garbagemen, certainly against their will.

"I'm terribly sorry about this, Doc, but once the Mark II's came out, there really isn't much demand for your top-notch medical skills anymore. However, we've made luxury accomidations for you as a waste-disposal engineer aboard one of our brand-new waste extraction barges!"

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Aside from the Doctor, the other EMH's don't have wills.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"I, the HoloDoc, being of sound artificial intelligence and photonic structure..."

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I caught another blatant error! When Theory man is in the escape pod, tapping keys, you can see a mouse pointer in the upper left corner of the screen he's working on. Then, as the camera moves, the pointer scrolls across the monitor like some one is trying to hide it. If it hadn't moved, I might not have noticed it.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Aban: I did mention that one, but maybe not as clear

The EMH's seem to be very politically un-correct. But OTOH, Holodocs are quite irritating once on-line. Remember when Crusher activated it, and it started complianing within a minute!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Well, they're all supposed to draw heavily from Dr. Zimmerman's personality, and he is not the most pleasant of men.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Whoops, sorry Prakesh. I didn't remember that one when I went to watch the tape.

*looks sheepishly at the floor*

I'm very confused as to why they were using Mac screens for these few set dressings. The black backgrounds are obviously quite a bit lighter than the rest of the monitors on the flyer. I can't see the logic in doing this. It must have been some sor of a budget thing, but I don't understand how this would save time or money. Reuse an Okudagram from the Defiant or something!

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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :

Prakesh: As far as I know, the only NCO's we've ever seen wearing any type of insignia are chiefs. I counter that chief's do normally wear their insignia (regardless of circumstances) but that anyone below that rank doesn't. Then again since the only people we've seen w/o pips have been addressed as crewmen, perhaps petty officers do wear insignias and we just haven't seen one. The only petty officer I ever remember being mentioned was a dead bolian in an episode of DS9, and I am pretty sure that his collar wasn't shown.

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