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Posted by dih1138 on :

When looking at Voyager with an objective eye, it sucks. With few exceptions, the acting is horrible. Most of the stories are compelling, but are ruined by contrived sub-plots. The shows opening and a certain large breasted blonde are the best features and the only hooks.

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-dih1138

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

So, uh, what's the point of this thread?

The alternative to intelligently providing arguments as to why some people ask "what went wrong" (other thread)?

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

You've pretty much echoed the sentiments of most people here, although we all probably have differing reasons as to why we don't like the show.

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Posted by dih1138 on :

My mistake: I did not read the other threads or posts therein.

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Posted by Right on :

Maybe the point is to write "Voyager Sucks" 100 times?

Voyager sucks Voyager sucks Voyager sucks Voyager sucks damn keyboard doesn't like to make capital letters so voyager scks voyager sucks voyager sucks voyager sucks voyager sucks voyager sucks voyager sucks voyager sucks voyager sucks ... (and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on ...)

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Posted by dih1138 on :

So does nobody like Voyager? I do not really like it but I will watch the last episode. I can't wait to see how sappy it will be.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I'm so tired of bash-threads... There should be a flame-board for Trek too.

I like Voyager. I like the ship, the environments ("Night", the coffee-nebula), the other powers they've encountered ("living witness", "Dragon's Teeth"), the fights (Voy vs. Krenim, voy vs. Equinox, voy vs. malon), the feeling of sailing through uncharted territory. Traveling through the alpha quadrant again will feel like a really long busride.

I admit I'm a bit biased, when I started with Voyager I had many friends that liked to watch it and DS9 with me, and that was fun. Watching them together for the first time, ripping the tape out of the plastic wrapping. We made an event out of it, picking some friday night here, one saturday evening there, with popcorn and soda and everything.
Not just casual zapping, "looking-over-the-shoulder-from-the-computer-at-a-tuesday-evening" kind of viewing that many people here describe.

Besides, I always considered DS9 and Voyager to be the same show; Star Trek. After an episode with one, I thought "I wonder how they're doing over there"...

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I am in agreement with Nimrod. Who obviously isn't in this case. Well said.

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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :

I'm one of those lucky people who doesn't have to wait to watch the new episodes. I personally like voy and am getting sick and tired of all the people who continually bash it. Great we understand that you don't like it now sit down and shut up, nobody is forcing you to watch it. Every show out there has its good points and bad points. And personally the acting does not suck on voy I have seen a lot worse and voy is no where near it.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I like what Voyager could have been I am patiently waiting for the enthusiasm I had for it in the first few seasons to return. I really hope they get some ooompf back into it in these last few eps. But, if they wait until the last episode to do anything with getting them home, as some have hypothosized, I'm afraid it'll be too forced and rushed.

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Acting doesn't suck, some of the stories suck. The show overall is in my opinion the worst of the 4. I don't think any of the shows needed to hire a new regular with big boobs to raise the ratings. Not only that Voyager is bashing the Borg! The Borg WAS the best bad guy on Trek. I watch it because some of the stories are good. But some are bad but I still watch it because I like the Trek universe.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

*whinny*
*BANG!!*

Okay, the horse is definetely dead. You can stop beating it now.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Ok, can we do it my way now? I think there's still some dignity left in there somewhere...

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Posted by letsalope on :

i really hope there is some dignity left.
i fell that the episodes are getting weaker.
i do like voyager and enjoy wahtching them.and i really think that distant origon(i think thats the episode)is one of the best episodes ever made.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

It's actually 'Distant Origin'.

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[This message has been edited by Ultra Magnus (edited March 11, 2001).]

Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

I like Voyager too. Yeah it has some real shit episodes but so do the other 3 series and every other TV show out there.
My only gripe is continuity doesn't exist and they ruined the Borg's image.

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

"Continuity doesn't exist and they've ruined the borg's image."

Outright lying won't get you anywhere, there's a lot of continuity in Voyager. And it's very hard to portay a person or group for long without repeating yourself or, as someone said earlier, expose their vulnerabilities.

I still think the Borg rocks, and Voyager has been forced to work with the newer image of the borg that "First Contact" established.
Before that, the borg didn't have an image, they were just a force of nature. Very entertaining to blow up one borg cube every other week without a motive, you're just "pruning" the galaxy. Like the indian-slaughters in crappier western-flicks...

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

The problem with the Borg was different writers interpreting them differently. When we first saw them in "Q Who?", they scared the piss outta me. But even as early as their very next appearance, their image and methods had started to alter. With the exception of "I, Borg" and its 'sequels', the development of the Borg was a long, slippery slope from implacable and scary to slimy and brainless.

*sigh*

--Jonah

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :

I am not trying to bash Voyager, but there's a lot of descrepencies and screw ups (like Tuvok's rank in earlier seasons from Lt to Lt Cmd and back again I think) and the Borg don't seem all that scary or threatening anymore.

[This message has been edited by TLE (edited March 13, 2001).]

Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Well if you don't like it don't watch it, I am one of the few that do like to watch Voyager, and it's pretty sad when the two most frequented threads in the Voyager forum are Voyager bashing.

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

I think it's because its least liked show of Trek. One amazing thing however is that alotof women like it more than men. In my school, there are fans (majoriry of them are Preppy girls too) and then there are the people who have no clue what Star Trek is.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Wait a minute!!! You'd choose The Animated Series before Voyager????

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

Well, it WAS the only time you got to see any pussy on the bridge. 8)

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

I didn't say that! All I said it's the least liked show of all the series. However I wasn't clear on whcih series. I was hoping that you would have figured out that I meant the 4 "live action" series.

I never saw the TAS, there actually was sex on the bridge?

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Ok, what is so wrong with voyager? Continuity? TNG and TOS were very different shows, they were just out there exploring, they weren't trying to get home, it's different. Voyager is a unique series, and if you're gonna watch it, just shut up and enjoy, i guarantee you'll like it. But if you analyze it to death and ruin everything good about it, well just don't watch it, you'll be doing everyone a favour.
This is not intended to a specific person but to everyone that decides to bash voyager, read this first and think about it for awhile before posting and wasting our time.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

*LOL* Matrix, TAS had a bridge officer who was Caitian (I think?). They're humanoid cats. :-)

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Not to be confused with Cats, the apparently have Cyborg evil leader from Zero Wing, whose Base he has were belong to you. Once.

I do think this, however, if it was intentional or not, is the most entertaining sentence I have ever read:

"I never saw the TAS, there actually was sex on the bridge?"

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

*ahem*

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"I never saw the TAS, there actually was sex on the bridge?"

- Matrix, 14/03/2001

Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Kinda makes me feel special.

Nah, it wasn't intentional, it was a semi-serious question.

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

I'd like to take you up on that sig. My credit card number is 4611-3270-9154-0010
it's a visa, and the display name is Roger Beck.
expiry date 12/01/03
dd/mm/yy

The display I want in your sig is:
All your base belong to Infinity

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Please tell me you're not stupid enough to actually post your credit card...

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Done and done.

Just to let you know that came out to $1,300.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Allright, Rio here I come! Where should I send the bill? For the credit reference?

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Hey, cool, I got my own ad in other people's sig. This rocks.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Yeah, nothing's more imaginitive than a rewording of the Zero Wing intro.

Someone should do that more. I don't know why anybody hasn't.

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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."

-Darkstar

Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Oh, sorry you misspelled it, I'm afraid I'm gonna be wanting my money back now.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

And you misquoted it, anyway. What do you expect? :-)

Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

I cannot believe Infinity just did that...

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

It was not a misquote per-se, because I utilized the original quote and adapted it to suit my own purpouses.

What can't you beleive I did?

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :

I forget.

Oh, I remember now! That thing with your credit card thingy.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Well, you did misquote it, because the original is:

All your base are belong to us.

Yours was, even with your super-hyper-uber creative replacement of 'us' with 'base', (This quote needs so to get used more. Nobody ever uses it. And it's so funny!)

All your base belong to infinty.

You missed 'are'. Therefore, you misquoted it.

BUT YOU DID ADD THE FUNNY INFINITY!!!!

HA HA HA HA HA!

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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :

Get over it man, that was a joke with a fake name and number, nobody beleives that kinda thing

oops, maybe you do

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Fake name and number. Aww that sucks.

I spelled it wrong?

Hey I'm only cashing on something that's for free!

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