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Posted by MIB on :

In responce to the topic of Voyager's finale. I found this at www.greatlink.org which is a Star Trek fan site that is fairly accurate when it comes to spoilers and such. Wheather or not THIS spoiler should be taken seriously or not, I don't know, but just in case.....

Spoiler in T-minus:

Enjoy!

A TGL source (u know who you are and thanks) �...was told that the first part of the plot for Endgame is that it is set 25 years in the future where Tuvok has been locked up for attacking Janeway after Voyager returned to Earth after Janeway somehow managed to get her hands on transwarp coils, although none of the crew could make out how she managed to get them. Tuvok is convinced that Janeway is a ' Borg Replicant ', a new breed of Borg which can disguise themselves physically as another human.�

�We find out that this is the truth when Janeway visits Tuvok in a Federation mental institute and tries to kill him. Tuvok kills the replicant and with the help of Janeway's personal assistant, Lt Marie Cooper, makes it to a hanger at a Federation research centre where an experimental time ship is being held. Tuvok takes the ship into space and gets ready to jump back in time to undo the events resulting in Janeway being replaced when an armada of Borg Cubes and a familiar Diamond enter Earth orbit.�

�Narrowly escaping the Borg Fleet, Tuvok jumps back to a point in time where Voyager comes across a seemingly deserted Borg ship which is unlike one they have seen before. Upon investigation they find that it is an advanced Borg destroyer which was too powerful for its own good and vaporized all life onboard...or so it seemed. Janeway orders an expedition now that the ship is dormant, but when she comes across a stasis chamber onboard and foolishly opens it, she activates a Borg distress beacon. A fleet of Borg cubes emerge from transwarp conduits around the destroyer and Voyager followed by the Queen's ship.�

�Stuck on the ship, Janeway, Tuvok, Torres and Seven are contacted by the Queen. She gives Janeway an ultimatum : Surrender herself to the Borg or watch as the fleet destroys Voyager and them as well. Weighing up the odds and knowing that Voyager cannot defend itself against the mass of Borg Cubes, Janeway turns herself over to the Queen while the time ship speeds towards them... �

To be continued...

As I said, wheather or not this spoiler is accurate or not, I don't know. What do you think? Oh and while you are responding to the forum PLEASE bow down and thank me for bringing this little tid bit to your attention! Thank you!

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Thank you, MIB, for regurgitating stuff I read at the TrekBBS last week ...

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Posted by MIB on :

TrekBBS? Never heard of it. Sorry about that though.

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

No biggie. I learned about this spoiler from trektoday.com at about the same time.

Mark

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Yep, such an ending would really fuck up a fucked up series. Thank you, Powers That Be.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

This is about Endgame part 1, not 2 (if it IS the real thing).

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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :

I've learned that when reading this stuff you need to take it with a pound of salt. I prefer to wait a and see.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

*Buries himself in salt*

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

*buries this thread in Voyager Forum*

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :

'Endgame' opens with a news clip on a TV screen, showing Voyager's homecoming. It's a very elaborate clip, even including a gorgeous shot of Voyager flying by the Golden Gate bridge. We learn that this is actually an old archive clip, and it is now 23 years after we last saw the Voyager crew.

All of the characters have gone through large changes. Harry Kim is now Captain, and Miral Paris, the daughter of Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres, has grown into a competent Starfleet officer. Previously it was also reported that the episode will featured an aged Tuvok in an asylum, claiming Janeway is an impostor.

Neelix of course is not present on Earth, as he left Voyager before the ship returns home (in next week's episode, 'Homestead'). However, Neelix will make a short appearance a bit later in the episode, when we see him playing a game with Seven of Nine over a viewscreen, back in the original Voyager timeline.

One character who outwardly hasn't changed a bit is the Doctor, who as a hologram of course doesn't age. Evidently he has been able to get over Seven of Nine after all these years, as we meet him together with his blonde bride Lana. The Doctor also finally has a name - when he got married to Lana, he decided he couldn't marry without one, and so settled for the name of Lana's grandfather: Joe.

Two characters who we will not be seeing in this first part of the episode are Seven of Nine and Chakotay. While still in the Delta Quadrant, the two got married aboard Voyager. Unfortunately, shortly thereafter Seven was injured on an away mission, and while she was able to make it back to Voyager, she there died in the arms of her husband, Chakotay. Now, Chakotay himself is also dead, as we learn when Janeway comes to visit Chakotay's grave.

Janeway herself, who always remained unmarried, is now an Admiral. As she comes to visit Chakotay's grave, located atop a hillside with a large tree looming over it, we sense the deep friendship that existed between the two. She tells him that what she is going to do now she is going to do as much for him as for herself.

What Janeway is planning to do is nothing less than travel back in time to help her past crew and self beat the Borg Queen and get home early. In order to do this, she sends Miral Paris to the Klingon Empire to obtain a special temporal device.

In exchange for the device, Janeway promises to get the Klingon she negotiates with on the High Council, but he demands more from Janeway - experimental shield technology that Voyager developed on its way back from the Delta Quadrant and that is almost impenetrable. Janeway is not prepared to give him that, and so she is forced to simply steal the temporal device away from the Klingons.

Admiral Janeway travels back into time, and warns the younger Captain Janeway about what is going to happen with Seven. She tells her that after Seven's death, Chakotay will never be the same anymore, and neither will Janeway herself. After hearing this, Captain Janeway decides she has to go home now, and Admiral Janeway joins the crew to help them in this endeavour.

Before going home, a massive battle ensues with the Borg Queen. In the end, Voyager is able to beat the Borg and the Queen perishes - but Admiral Janeway is with her, and dies as well.

Thanks to Admiral Janeway's sacrifice, Voyager is able to return to Earth, where they are greeted by an awaiting Admiral Paris and Lieutenant Barclay. After seven years of exploring the Delta Quadrant and seeking out ways to get her ship home safely, Captain Janeway has finally fulfilled the promise she made to her crew in 'Caretaker.' She got them home.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------When the 'Endgame' synopsis was published several days ago, many fans wondered about the role of Tuvok in the finale, who was shown in a mental hospital in the recent Voyager finale promo. Thanks to one of our sources, we are able to provide the first details of this sub-plot.

In the original timeline, it took the U.S.S. Voyager 16 years to come home. During this time, Chakotay married Seven and subsequently lost her after an unsuccessful away mission. In addition, Voyager lost another 20-something crewmembers, while Tuvok became afflicted with a serious brain ailment. In the initial stages of the disease, Tuvok could have been cured by mind-melding with one of his family members, but without one present, he slowly descended into insanity.

As we see Tuvok in the future, seven years after Voyager's homecoming and 23 years after the last time we saw Captain Janeway on-screen, we see Tuvok being treated in a mental institution. Admiral Janeway had been visting him every week, not wanting to leave her old friend completely alone. In the finale, we see a touching scene in which she visits Tuvok to say goodbye before going on her journey to the past.

Though Tuvok is insane, he still believes he is able to think logically. From the fact that Janeway visits him on another day of the week than usual, he concludes that Janeway has to be an imposter, and tells her that logic dictates she is not who she claims to be. Janeway leaves the mental institution, and shortly thereafter travels back in time for the sake of her crew - to save Seven, Tuvok, and the many crewmembers who died on the long journey home, and to preserve her good friend Chakotay's happiness.

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�The question here is, 'Does Janeway die?' Answer: YES and NO.�
�Admiral Janeway sacrifices herself to save Captain Janeway when she is held captive by the Borg Queen.�

�Janeway gets the transwarp conduit and is installs it on Voyager. They open a conduit to Earth. Before she leaves the Borg Queen, Janeway infects her with the Pathogen. The Queen starts to die.�

�Voyager are on route to Earth with a fleet of Borg vessels following them. They tell the Pathfinder project to get an armada together for their return.�

�As Voyager emerges out of the conduit, it flies by a sea of starfleet ships. Once out of the way, all the ships fire with some new torpeedos and destroy the Borg Fleet and the conduit.�

�Voyager is escorted back to Earth. The penaltimate scene is when B'Elanna is having the baby (like in the trailer).�

�The final line is 'Set a course for home'. (by Janeway) The camera pans out of the bridge and showing Voyager flying back to Earth with a swarm of Starfleet ships.�

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

well, Hole-e-Shite....

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I'd love to see that swarm of ships! I hope there is a new one in there. Also the Borg Diamond returns! If this turns out to be the real plot, then I won't have a problem with it.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

*sigh* I must admit, a swarm of ships would be quite pleasant. Most of us would love to see a nice big fuck-off battle fleet just once more, I doubt we'll get much chance in a pre-TOS Series V. But, naturally the mere fact that it would be so cool almost makes me doubt the veracity of this report. Since when have the producers of Voyager ever given us what we wanted?

We wanted a good show.
-Bzzzt!

We wanted the occasional stab at a bit of continuity.
-Bzzzt!

We wanted Chakotay to be vaguely effective as First Officer.
-Bzzzt!

We wanted Kim promoted.
-Bzzzt!

We wanted to see Seven of Nine with her kit off.
-Bzzzt!

We wanted an explanation of where all those shuttles came from.
-Bzzzt!

We wanted some grudging admission they might be close to, or even IN the Beta Quadrant by now.
-Bzzzt!

We want the OLD Borg back!
-Bzzzt! -Bzzzt! -Bzzzt! -Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

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Seven of Nine and Chakotay

Since when is Chakotay interested in anyone except his forefathers?

And Janeway's behaviour is just one more clue that the rank of Admiral makes 90% of them completely incompetent and crazy. And since when do Klingons have temporal gizmos?

*Lieutenant* Barclay? Still a lieutenant? How old would he be in 23 years from now? Possibly the oldest lieutenant ever (I wonder how he even got *that* rank!)

Thank god we're leaving the 24th century. It has been completely exhausted by now.

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

You know... that's actually a viable plot. And it's certainly better than any rumors I've heard so far. I dare say that it might actually be a good ep if they do this. Where'd you get this, Darkstar?

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

It's on TrekToday, at least. Or you might go to Great Link to see pointers to it. I don't know where it originated, though, and it's definitely not an official press release... But it still sounds 100% authentic.

I must admit it sounds a lot better than the originally feared "AGT" rehash. Perhaps even a fitting end to the story. Like the DS9 finale, it leaves some minor threads dangling, but then again, the series premise never promised full closure - getting the ship back to Earth is good enough.

What's YOUR pet unresolved thread? Mine, I guess, would be the fate of the Maquis. Kes we got out of the way halfway decently, and Neelix, and the second Caretaker. And the Kazon. And the ship came back. That's most of the issues introduced in the pilot. But the Maquis thing was there from the start, and never developed into anything. The finale doesn't seem to touch the issue.

Things like the Borg were introduced halfway through, and don't really require closure IMHO.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Prakesh, Barclay's never been much the promotion kind of guy, IMHO. Remember, we saw an alternate reality (we think) where Picard had only made it to Lieutenant j.g.! It's not that unheard of. Besides, Barclay appears in the episode in the current timeline, not the future timeline. Did you read or skim the synopsis?

Speaking of which, Darkstar -- I thought you were leaving and you hated us all ... ?

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Bah, give him some credit - it's only the second time he's come back after saying he's leaving forever because he hates us all. After the next time, we can start bugging him about always coming back after saying he's leaving forever because he hates us all. However, in true Darkstar fashion, he didn't quote sources or anything in the above. Gotta give marks for consistency.

As for Barclay, he *did* get promoted between TNG and his Voyager stint. And considering the actor is fifty-something, it's not awful. Some of the TNG extras were older than him at the time and had equivalent ranks. Anyone remember a certain white-haired guy in a red uniform walking around the E-D corridors? Among things, he had his broken leg set by Worf in "Disaster". His rank was Lt. j.g. as well, IIRC. Anyway, promoting Barclay to Lt. Commander would suggst he's in some major command authority, which his character certainly isn't. It's all in character, methinks.

I must say that this finale does involve all the hallmarks of Voyager: the Borg and time travel. W00t!

Mark

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Personally, I would rather see the second Caretaker be responsible for their getting home some how. The Borg were introduced later on in the series and have nothing to do with the original premise.

Plus, Voyager has ruined the Borg for me.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

For Timo: *coughcoughdelaneysisterscoughcough*

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Er.

When did Barclay get promoted to Lt. Commander ... ?

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Jeff, did you read or skim the above messages?

That was a 'what-if' situation.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

And, by the way, Darkie's compiled all the various bits that have appeared on TGL, TrekToday, TrekWeb, Section 31, Cinescape, SFX (all have reported it by now, who knows or cares who was first). . . I've seen it all elsewhere.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

And either Darky copied and pasted this report here, or his grammar skills have improved by about 150%.

(Gosh, I hope he doesn't tell us all to go to hell again after saying that...no offense, Darkstar, but I don't appreciate being told to "fuck you to fucking hell.")

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Actually, I think Jeff misread my post - I meant that Barclay got a promotion to full lieutenant. He was a junior grade through TNG, but two full pips are quite visible today.

Mark

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :

I am now better and I am now chillin.

I've got a new life outside this forum, and am glad that I am no longer a stressed person.

Tahna Los sorry about my last post a few weeks ago!

DARKSTAR

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Well, having just seen the preview for the final episode, that is DEFINITLY a new Starship we see in the Starfleet armada. We're facing its rear, but it's got four nacelles, clumped close together in pairs. Looks kind of cool ...

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Sorry Jeff, but as you never watched Voyager, you didn't know that the ship you saw wasn't new: It was a Prometheus class starship, the prototype of which was seen a few years ago.

There was also a Nova class starship, two Negh'var class Klingon ships, a Nebula, an Excelsior, a Miranda, a Galaxy, and what looked like a more advanced version of the yacht-shuttlecraft (possibly the prototype time vessel).

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

It looked more like a refitted Type-9 to me.
And it looked like there was a much more sleek Intrepid-ish type ship.

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Darkstar: Apology Accepted.

Though it would be greatly appreciated if you could post where you got this. I need an extra brain to store all this information!!!!

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