If and when they begin the VOY movie series what shall it be about? I think Species 8472 would make great villians. How come they never got an official name? Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't think they can make a "Voyager" movie for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who knows how the series ended.
As for Species 8472... After they had been called that for a couple years, any change to a different name would have confused the average idiot watching the show. And, since the show was basically written for the average idiot, they had to keep the same name.
Posted by Jeff The Card (Member # 411) on :
NO! NO! NO! NO!
The horror ... !!!
Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Besides, they're friendly and philosophically superior to us and gives us roses when they want to impress us. No wait, that was just the one guy that couldn't separate himself from the human role he was playing. AAARRGH!!!
They gave 8472 too much power from the beginning, it was so obvious they had to either become allies or erase the milky way in a jiffy. Hmmm, probability check?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I don't know how the series ends... but you could - I gather say the same about the end of Deep Space Nine... it doesn't really leave itself open for movies. The thing is - they don't have to have a movie continuing on from where the series left off. DS9, would be fantastic if they had a movie that dealt with even during season 4, 5, 6 or 7... Possibly even season 3.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
What are Humans classified as? Species 47? As for the Voyager movie, they'll pobably skip it, and DS9 too, and make an Enterprise movie. Hopefully they won't, but that's the way the Berman world turns.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
I thyink they will probably make a film most likely VOY. If not what will Paramount do until Enterprise is over. They might have a movie at the end of every 2 seasons or something like that.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Well, the Vulcans are Species 3259...& I think that humans are Species 10032, but don't quote me on that.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I will not quote that, and I know you are not sure, but it's just that we only were classified after 10,031 other species seems a little off. How many can there be in the galaxy? Millions? Billions? Trillions?
Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :
Humans have a number between 5000 and 6000. It's in Dark Frontier.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Makes more sense to me.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
A seven year run on Enterprise would go 2001-2008. The next Trek film is due 2002, right?
So we could have one more TNG film in 2005, and in 2008, we'd get an Enterprise film. That's still only 3 years between films, which has happened before.
Posted by Leo (Member # 223) on :
There's an actual Species List available on startrek.com in the new Borg Culture section, check it out...
As to Voyager Movies, good and bad news for all of you depending on if you liked it or not. Patrick Stewart in a recent convention suggested, if not confirmed, that we'll be seeing the Voyager cast in movies within the near future... head on to section31.com if you'd like to read the report there.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I can't imagine Robert Beltran agreeing to do a Voyager movie.
IMNSHO, DS9 not only left itself open for a movie much moreso than Voyager, but would would make a much better movie than Voyager.
As far as going back and doing a movie set in an earlier season...uh...no. Unless you've written an opeing for such a feat within the series, you'd have to go back and try to "fit" the movie into what has already happened. I don't even want to take that chance...
I can't even think of a wide enough period of time that was left unaccounted for...but there probably is one...
[ July 30, 2001: Message edited by: Aban Rune ]
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Robert Beltran will have do something. I don't think he wants to appear at conventions and openings the rest of his life. On the matter of DS9 films the few eps I've seen I agree they should go first. I hope VOY is a flop and they will have to do DS9 films.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:I think they will probably make a film most likely VOY...I hope VOY is a flop and they will have to do DS9 films.
Uh, Phlox... You do realize you just contradicted yourself?
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
What do you mean? Are you saying I want it to be Voyager. I'm saying movie studios are one of Earths' Ferengi all they want is profit, profit, profiiit. There is more profit in Seven of Nine. That's unless Leeta becomes part of the main characters. I have my fingers crossed. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
So..You're hoping they're going to make a movie that's going to suck...so they will be forced to make a movie that's good...
Or, they could just make a good movie in the first place.
If (and this is a huge ass IF) they make a movie with either the DS9 or VOY crews, I'd hope they do it well. Both series COULD have a good movie made from them. I think DS9 has more quality loose ends to work with.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
No, no, no. I'm saying if they do film featuring the cast from the later Treks after TNG excluding ENT will probably be VOY. As someone said in a post before the average idiot watches VOY and who fills those seats up more than the average idiot. DS9 on the other hand is a more sophisticated series and well written series. Just because a film is good doesn't mean it will make money.
Anyway I hope it's a flop(doesn't make alot of money) or they stop at an early number. In an interview at Section 31 Patrick Stewart says there may be VOY films in the near future. DS9 is a much better show and in my opinion would make an even greater film.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I can see it now...Dukat is brought back by the Pah-Wraiths, and Sisko must play his part as a Prophet and defeat him. Their final struggle is in the engine room of the Defiant, the computer is counting down for a warp core breach, and Sisko is struggling to reach the panel to stop the breach... All this as the ship is burning and plummeting toward Bajor... Just a thought. So, what is the Borg classification for Humans?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Damn StarTrek.Com! It won't load! Does anyone know the Human classification?
Posted by Commander Paris (Member # 119) on :
From startrek.com:
quote:SPECIES 5618
The Human race, of the Alpha Quadrant. Considered by the Borg to possess below-average cranial capacity, minimal redundant systems and limited regenerative abilities. But several attempts to assimilate this species have failed.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
quote:No, no, no. I'm saying if they do film featuring the cast from the later Treks after TNG excluding ENT will probably be VOY. As someone said in a post before the average idiot watches VOY and who fills those seats up more than the average idiot. DS9 on the other hand is a more sophisticated series and well written series. Just because a film is good doesn't mean it will make money.
Nope, no idea. Read this paragraph through about 5 times, still no clue about what it means.
Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
"How many can there be in the galaxy? Millions? Billions? Trillions?"
I don't think you realize just how much a trillion is. A million millions, a couple of trillions could sum up the total amount of money present on this planet. Then there's quadrillion and quintillion, 12 resp. 15 zeros. Here's a little aid I found... ;-)
Well, good Doctor, you may be right about a Voyager movie. But I'll stick with my hope that, no matter what movie they make in the future, the movie make will be a good, successful movie. If they make a couple Star Trek movies that utterly bomb...do you really think that we're going to get any more of them?
Doubtful.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
And. . . why make a motion picture anyway? It's not like they ever seemed to move anywhere much. 8)
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I think the good Doctor was saying that any non-TNG films will feature VOY grew members. Saying "Excluding ENT" doesn't make sense, because it is before TNG, but this is not a forum for discussion on how we write things. Of course, we've probably discussed every issue known to man here.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
I mean any Trek series made after TNG Mr. Veers.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
oops.
[ August 01, 2001: Message edited by: Wes1701E ]
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
I've said it before ...
And I'll say it again.
A Voyager motion picture would suck.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I love Voyager. I really do. However, I think the prospect of Paramount making a Voyager movie are slim to none. I think the series ended in such a way that it could be possible to build from "Endgame" and make a wonderful given the writer director and writers.
But one must realize that no Voyager is going to be made. Out of the four series, Voyager had the lowest average ratings of all. Part of this is the desertion of fans due to varying reasons and the other part is that UPN was not carried in as many locations as could be achieved through syndication. Thus, a smallest audience to begin with. It'd be a financial gamble on Paramount's part to produce a Voyager movie for these reasons: there isn't all that sound a fan base that would see a Voyager movie and generate the money needed to justify it. In the end, it all comes down to profits.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Are you saying DS9 will be the first post-TNG show to enter the realm of motion picture? I think most of the Voyager series was not well written. They had a couple of good eps, Year of Hell, Lifeline, Caretaker, Endgame, Workforce, The Void and others.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
"Caretaker," "Message in a Bottle," "Scorpion," and a handful of others...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There will be TNG movies. There may be Enterprise movies, someday, in the next decade.
I sincerely doubt there will ever be a DS9 movie.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
quote:writer director and writers.
Getting a bit repetative, aren't we, Siggy?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I think it's because people think DS9 was too talky. It really wasn't, they just saw one episode and assumed the rest was boring. It's the best Star Trek series. I think that's the reason they don't wan't to make a movie. Tell them to watch "Sacrifice of Angels," "Tears of the Prophets," "Emissary," "Our Man Bashir," and so on...
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
How can you watch them if you don't have them and your city doesn't carry it??
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I'm saying, "Tell the producers to watch them."
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
No, the reason they won't make a movie is because not enough people watched the show, the storylines that make DS9 unique are too complex to be squeezed into two hours, and the cast is huge.
I'd love to be proved wrong.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
They were able to fit them into an hour, I think they'll be able to fit the stories into 2 hrs. And to say for the cast didn't Traffic have a huge cast.
[ August 05, 2001: Message edited by: Dr Phlox ]
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
All those grammar and writing classes really paid off, huh Doc? Write like that on scripts and you'll make millions... Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Get off my back! I made some errors alright! The only reason your mad at me is because I talked about Roger frigin' Ebert! Maybe I don't like critics that's my opinion and if you don't like it that's your problem. Or are you just trying to fit in? I don't care, but you don't have to get all emotional on me, Veers. Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Sorry, Dr. Phlox, but we all get bashed on the forums. It's a fact of life. You want to see bashing, there's nearly two pages of Veers-bashing on the Technology secion, in the "Symbiosis" mystery object section. What fun! Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
Veers: you left out the best episode of DS9 ever! How could you ... ?
Duet
Dr. Phlox: I strongly suggest you develop a thicker skin.
Thank you.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Everyone hug.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I also left out "In the Pale Moonlight." But those sins are gone! I am forgiven.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
*hugs Liam again*
It ain't working, boy.
Sorry about the long delay in replying, but my Internet connection died a couple days ago. Anyway, I think Sol System nailed the reasons on the head. I, personally, do not think that either a Voyager or a Deep Space Nine movie will be made. I think instead that Paramount may try a mixed cast movie or two. The simple reason is that Deep Space Nine didn't carry as much in the ratings as The Next Generation, and Voyager didn't carry as much in the ratings as Deep Space Nine. Add to that, Deep Space Nine was a very complex show with multiple subplots that weaved through a good deal of the series. It wasn't too talky or a soap opera, it was just overall good television. Translating that to the movie screen would be a gigantic task. Translating that to the movie screen and making it good would require a Herculean effort.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm loath to kick this discussion down the path I am about to kick it, but to fully explain myself I feel like I need to toss in an example or two. Keep in mind that these are my own, foolish, small-minded opinions.
Ok then. So there was this Other Space Station Show once. And it made some TV movies. Like any possible DS9 film, these were supposed to be watchable by people who had no prior experience with the OSSS. And, uh, they didn't quite work. The one that did was tied up heavily in events from the show. The other two were not. They also weren't all that good, possibly because they had nothing to do with the OSSS's strengths.
Now, there are a few differences here. DS9, while being relatively intensive as far as plot depth went, is far more supportive, at least historically, of adventures that had little to do with the overall plot structure.
Anyway, that's what I think.
Oh, and as for casts...Traffic? I'm not sure it's possible to have a film more unlike what a DS9 film would be than this. Although...a series of loosely connected viginettes about the dangers of beetle snuff...nah.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I would slightly disagree about Thirdspace. I thought it was enormous fun, and more accessable to the non fans than the other two (or three) movies. If they were going to do non-arc B5 movies, then Thirdspace was a fine one to imitate.
River of Souls though exhaled large chunks though.
But it's true, DS9 is more flexible in it's format. It can support non-arc stories easily, and usually did. But a movie about non-arc stuff might not play to the series strengths. It might, but trying to explain the backstory is an accessible manner might be impossible to do in a two hour film.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Don't keep hopes up for a DS9 film, Berman and Co. gave up on that a long time ago. Nemesis is touted the final TNG film, as Undiscovered Country was for TOS. Even though TUC had major box office business it was the final chapter in the TOS saga. I think it's time for Stewart to pass on the captain's chair, to Sisko or Janeway.
I don't think Viacom will wait for Enterprise's final season. For the same reason people say they won't make a VGR film , they won't do ENT because it's on UPN, the bad ratings network. If you put a show on U you can't hope to be a hit.
Viacom, Paramount's parent company, needs to put Trek back in syndication were it did it's best. UPN does need a cornerstone but can't they choose something else. They dream for a hit, which will probably not happen. News Corp., Fox's parent company, recently bought most of the UPN stations.
Especially in Utah. What will Carl Malone watch?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
First of all, there is not going to be a Trek film called Nemesis. Trust me. If there is, I'll...well, likely do nothing. But trust me anyway.
Secondly, no one has said anything about DS9 being eager to jump into the movie game. Have you read any of the posts here? They've all been: "Voyager film? That's as unlikely as a DS9 one." Not: "Voyager film? That's less likely than a DS9 one."
Thirdly, Voyager WAS syndicated in non-UPN areas. Enterprise is likely to be as well. And UPN is looking a lot healthier today thanks to its rather unexpected programming coup.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
How much did TUC make? Less than $200 million. Not a major box office hit, Doctor, just a godd film.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Just checked the IMDb, Doc. It seems you were wrong. TUC made $94 million. That's not major box office business. But, you were assuming the box office thing, because it was the last TOS film, and I would've thought that too. Only 94?
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
That's considered a hit in Trek films. FC only made $92 mill and Insurrection grossed only $70 million. Since reports say Paramount has trademarked Nemesis it is the only title we know of now. Trek X is just to bland.
Each latter day Trek series lasted seven seasons, you only need five seasons to go into syndication (reruns). Or maybe UPN needed the money and sold Voyager , before it's 5th season to independent stations.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Voyager was in first-run syndication. This shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp. In areas where UPN had no affiliates, Paramount made the show available to independant stations. Thus, I saw Voyager on FOX every Saturday.
[ August 07, 2001: Message edited by: Sol System ]
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
The next film after ST:X couldn't be Enterprise - since it sold only be into its 3rd or 4th season.
Even if Patrick Stewart hangs up the towel, there are plenty of available (read: affordable) TNG actors who would be great for ST:XI. Both Riker and LaForge would make great captains (timeless). Both have complex characters whom the audience has grown to love. Even Captain Kim may show up for a Cameo. Admiral Janeway may or not get a pivital role - but you can bet she'll be involved.
As I see it, ST:XI may well be an ensemble film - not just in actors but regarding the series they originated from.
Hell, let's have the whole 9 yards! Captain Archer could make a cameo - either as a historic flashback, or brought to the future by Q! Captain Braxton (freshly cured and reintegrated) could try to keep it all straight. _____________________________________
I just read the above again prior to sending it. I can't decide if I'm being sarcastic - or if it really is a good idea...
Meds!!!!!
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Captain Braxton: "No, I'll try to keep it all straight."
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You determined that LaForge would make a great captain from Timeless? Were you watching a version where he did something other than appear on a small screen and say "I'll shoot you. I will. And second now. Don't think I won't. Yes. I'm going to count to 5."
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
There will not be a Voyager movie.
There will not be a Deep Space Nine movie.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
There is no easter bunny.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Then what are they going to do untill Enterprise is over. Since this is touted the final TNG outing.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Trek X hasn't been touted as the final TNG outing, per se. It's just rumoured as such, and the actors are mumbling about it as such. A TNG-based Trek XI would most certainly be made if
Trek X makes a serious profit (it may well) and
the actors have little by way of other career opportunities lined up (most won't) and
no other cast will be available to make the film about that would bring in the public in the same numbers as the TNG cast would (none will).
[ August 10, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
People thought VOY would be a hit, look how wrong they were Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
More importantly, why on Earth can't they make an Enterprise movie while the show is on the air, if they were to choose to do so?
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
The movie would kind of be like a another season finale. THere would be to many loose ends for the average movie goer to comprehend. Also the movie would have to go along the same storyline as the show.They could do as Rugrats did and have the movies and series parallel. We'll have to see how well Enterprise does ratings wise. DS9 was prodominetly in the top 10 during it's 7 seasons, so non-trekkers or trekkies would know about it.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Top ten what?
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Ratings.
Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
Or what about a movie about a new crew and ship altogether? This may seem an odd proposal, but - IF well written - you wouldn't need as much exposition as a regular movie and surely there are many galactic adventures to be had.
There isn't any hinderance as far as writing is concerned. And one could always pull a Generations and have the first one be balanced between TNG and the new crew.
Its viable, though much to big a risk for TPTB to ever try. Would be neat though.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
This would be most intriguing. But you are right you need something that people know in the Trek film universe.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
With the possible exception of the first season, DS9 never cracked the Top 10 in ratings.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
"Deep Space Nine" Shuts Down by Michael Szymanski Jun 5, 1999, 12:50 PM PT
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine--the show named for a rickety space station--is being 86'd from television Saturday like, well, like Mir space junk.
This is the third series spin-off of the original Star Trek, and it lasted seven seasons--more than twice as long as the original. It won Emmys, earned critical acclaim and ranked, on average, ninth among all syndicated shows in the ratings on 241 stations. But for some reason, it didn't quite catch on with denizens like other Trek TV shows and films.
DS9, starring Avery Brooks as Captain Benjamin Sisko, and debuting in January 1993, will close out Saturday with a two-hour episode.
"It's very obvious why this show didn't take off, it's very sedentary," says Roger Nygard, director of the fan documentary Trekkies. "It's about a space station where people came to them, rather than a moving spaceship that took them to a new planet and new scenario each week."
Although writers tried everything from creating a wormhole that zapped ships across the galaxy, to sticking some of the cast on a starship called the Defiant, the show never ignited like The Next Generation (which also lasted seven seasons, but like the original, spawned a series of motion pictures) or even Voyager (entering its seventh--and many believe final--season on the UPN).
Still, Nine had its supporters.
"It was the most political, most cohesive and most revolutionary of all the Star Trek series," says sci-fi writer Andy Mangels, of Portland, Oregon, who co-wrote the Star Trek comic series and answers questions daily about the shows on his Hollywood Heroes Internet site (www.anotheruniverse.com/amhh/amhh080197.html).
"This show had a lot of misfits. It was dark, edgy and unsettling, and it could have reached a wider audience if it didn't have the Star Trek name attached," assesses Mangels. "It will be known as the black sheep of the series, but some of the characters will undoubtedly find their way into other shows, maybe even the movies."
Indeed, in terms of imagination, DS 9 pulled out all stops: spats with the big-eared Ferengi, wars with the Dominion and an errant holographic lounge singer.
"This is the first time in Star Trek history that the story is really over," says 16-year-old Gabriel Koerner, of Bakersfield, California, who was featured in Trekkies--and who already saw the final episode. (According to docu-director Nygard, Koerner was recently on a radio show with William Shatner and got more calls than Captain Kirk himself.)
"I'd say when we're looking back 10 or 20 year from now," Koerner adds, DS9 will be viewed as the Star Trek that dared to be different, that it took chances, that it was good and got lost in the shuffle."
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Ninth among all syndicated shows. What you're saying about Deep Space Nine is akin to considering a football team "in the top ten" when it placed ninth in the Arena League standings.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Worst article ever.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
You know what? I see enough reviews about trek stuff that I think are utter bullshit to make me sick. I could care less what other people say. I liked DS9 and thats all that matters to me. )
Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
Well the author does have a point. It was different and for better of worse this is the way it ended up.
DS9 has become my favorite upon rediscovery (I'm watching it right now) and if the show never has the popularity of TNG, then oh well. There's an episodic nature about starships and a new planet every week, and DS9 did a great job with the story arc format that has become the recent trend in television. One might say (bearing in mind that I am not making a definitive statement) that DS9 was ahead of its time.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Is it bad because it said Ninth or because I posted it?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
No, it's bad because it's writing about Trek from a non-Trek perpsective, and therefore doesn't really 'get' it. It's also bad because it speaks some home truths about DS9 that most people would object to. The article says the show was sedentary and didn't go anywhere; they say it allowed for arc episodes and therefore more realistic storytelling which really allowed for the characters to face the consequences of their actions. The article dismisses the addition of the Defiant as an attempt to broaden the show, nothing more than a gimmick; they say TEH DEFINAT ROOLZ AND IS THE KULEST SHP EVER AND TEH WAY IT BLOS UP THE DOMINIONION SHIPZ ROKZ!!!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Latest rumours are that Janeway will have some cameos in STX talking to Picard on a computer display.
Posted by Conundrum (Member # 702) on :
I'd like to see a movie that gets back into The Traveler and um... I can't even remember his name but the Doctors son from TNG...
I remember he left with the Traveler... then I think they had a real brief spot with him on like the last episode i think then nothing more was ever said of him in the movies... Where'd he go? __________________________________________
And a movie all about the borg... You know you only see them in the episodes every once and a while... but what are they doing the rest of the time... could be interesting...
_______________ ^ same for the Q... Like who are they anyway? Do they have some weird technology that just makes them seem to have such awesome power, are they God? If they're powers are illusion that would be my guess...
Posted by PopMaze (Member # 302) on :
His name is Wesley. And many of us don't want to see him again.
And we already had a movie that featured the Borg heavily. It was called Star Trek: First Contact. You may have seen it...or at least heard of it. It came out in 1996.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Wesley "I saved the ship so many times, even though I'm just a kid and the Enerprise is full of Starfleet's best and supoosedly brightest" Crusher. I'm glad he left in "Journey's End." His mother should have thanked him and thrown a party when he left.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
You want a new ship and new crew to make a movie out of? Well, how 'bout this?
CHAKOTAY AS CAPTAIN!
...
What?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Chakotay In Charge."
Ha. I slay me.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
If you don't, someone will. 8)
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Chakotay in charge would kill the whole purpose for a new crew.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
As long as he wasn't driving, eh? Now but about ST movies. I worry that the studios want to make blockbusters. I suspect that the audience is changing. Slowly but surely the blockbuster paradigm is petering out. How many movies came out this summer and made a huge impact the openning weekend only to disappear the next weekend? It was a lot. I think 'Legally Blonde' (I know!) was the only one with some staying power (albeit mercifully brief). If that isn't saying something...
I dunno, are we rating the success of films on the basis of how much money they make now? In that case pretty much the whole Trek franchise might be considered a dismal failure. I certainly wouldn't call it that. These films are made for a niche market. Blockbusters generally aren't made for a target audience other than people who go see movies. We are the ST niche market. We decide whether we would pay money to go see a Voyager movie. Were I a studio I would look here and places like this to see whether we could make any money with a DS9 or VOY film and if this board is any accurate representation (opinion reserved) I would have to say no. I happen to think that fantastic movies could be made from either of these series (or even both together!), but I don't think enough people feel the same way and so there isn't an audience for it. The idea is gone. Simple as that.
That being said, now here's how they could keep the budget down a bit and make a little noise for Trek (schilling for ENT, maybe). They might even make it a special project for an "indie" sub-production company. I would personally love to see an arthouse adaptation noire conspiracy film shot mostly on Terra Firma with 8472 infiltrators running amuck in human society. Maybe a surprise twist traitor amongst us. 'Manchurian Candidate' meets 'Species' There'd only be one or two space battle sequences, a smaller cast (if Beltran indeed said 'no') and it might have kind of a horror touch. It could be scaled way down, and if it looked like it was gonna tank, they track it to a TV movie of the week for TNN and wouldn't be out that much. If they wanted to do it super cheap (and maybe capitalize on some of the production spillage from EP2 'Attack of the Silly Names'), they could even shoot it on HD DV. I'm not that up on DS9, can't think of anything specific, but I'm sure something similar could be done (The Cardassians are SUCH great bad guys)
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Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Didn't the Cardassians join the Federation?
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
quote:I worry that the studios want to make blockbusters.
NOOO ... you think?
Phlox, by the end of DS9, the Cardassians hadn't joined the Federation. They'd just barely survived the attempted genocide of their race by the Founders, and half their fleet got blown up before they defected. I'd assume that Cardassia will be a Federation protectorate for awhile, and may someday join the UFP. Even if it doesn't, they'll be close allies.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
I should have said '...I worry that the studios only want to make blockbusters...' Meaning to the exclusion of smaller films...
[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: Balaam Xumucane ]
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Um...
I skipped a few pages of this because it got wierd. Everyone bashing each other.
The Cardassians didnt join the Federation. In fact, they just got their asses kicked in a huge war BY the Federation. Just because they switched sides in the end doesnt make them Federation quality. The Klingons have join our side again and again but are an independant culture and do not join the Federation. The Bajorans arent even in good yet. That would be like Germany becoming a US state after World War II. Nope, but they are an ally not an enemy now.
I think Voyager would make a great TV movie, theyve already shown they can make well-planned two hour shoot-em-ups on a TV budget (Dark Frontier was advertised as a 'Voyager movie') I just recently got to thinking on all the plots they would tackle. Would Chakotay and B'Elanna have to face up to their crimes? Or were all the Maquis pardoned and repatriated for the War? Would Janeway try and keep the crew together? After an ordeal like that they wouldnt just say.. 'oh hey, look ive been reassigned to the Lexington, isnt that great?' but would starfleet let them keep their command structure? Is Starfleet going to take the ship apart? its full of borg sh*t and future sh*t they probably really want to know about.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"I think Voyager would make a great TV movie, theyve already shown they can make well-planned two hour shoot-em-ups on a TV budget (Dark Frontier was advertised as a 'Voyager movie')"
Actually, that's true. For all their continuity issues and what not, Scorpion, Future's End, that third season time travel one that I can't remember the name of, and so on were all very entertaining. Not necessarily deep, but a lot of fun. More fun than "Birthright", at any rate.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
OOh, that was our big crossover though.. Julian Bashir, do you believe it! On the Enterprise!
And he was wearing tennis shoes because it was his day off
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