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Posted by Saboc on :

What happened to the Vorta's empathic ability? In one of the earlier episodes when they first showed Vorta, one of the Vortas sort of shot out something, telepathically. I'm pretty sure that Vorta are empathic.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I believe we agreed that the 'shooting thing' was unique to Eris (or was it Erin?), but I could be wrong...

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Posted by Individual 5748 on :

Perhaps only 'real life' Vorta can shoot out energy, where as the clones, say Eris 4 or something, can not.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Maybe they just bread her specifically for that purpose of 'first contact' with the Federation...

I would have liked to have seen Eris again - maybe as another clone?

Maybe she didn't beam anywhere in The Jem'Hadar but beamed herself into oblivion?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

*LOL* A bit too dramatic an exit, isn't it?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Hmm...are we saying that the Vorta are supposed to be telepathic: able to read minds, empathic: able to read emotions, or telekinetic: able to move objects with the power of the mind?

At any rate, it is generally held that Eris was specially designed for that specific situation.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Yes, I believe the word we're all looking for here is Telekinetic. Troi is Empathic, Betazoids in general are telepathic, Eris had telekinetic abilities.

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Posted by Saboc on :

Of all the shown aliens, Vorta is the species that I like the best. (right after Vulcans...LOL)
What happens to the Vorta now that the war is over?
All the Star Trek shows, in the beginning, invent all kinds of "cool" aliens; but as time goes on, as if cannot be controlled, they (the writters) always humanize all the aliens. I think that is not right. For example, the Ferengi (sp) now show human characterics, even the Founders. It'll be no time before they turn Klingons into a bunch of bad temper humans....

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

It'll be no time? Check out TOS! That's all Klingons were during TOS is a bunch of angry humans. I think that the development of Klingon culture have been great. They've given us insights into Klingon religion, language, and politics. Not as much as I'd like, but still...

I don't like the Ferengi conversion though although I think as far as cultural consistency goes, the Ferengi have held up the best over the years seeing as how they've been represented in all three TNG era shows.

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Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :

The Vorta will probably die - the cloning facilities are destroyed and if the if the Dominion is destroyed, the Vorta will probably be no more.

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Posted by Saboc on :

When did the Dominion get destroyed? I think they're still there, not like what it used to be but still there. And I dont' think the Vorta still be extinct. As long as the Founders are alive, they will keep on producing the Vorta. Think of it, Vorta are an important subspecies of the Dominion. The entire Dominion society could not survive without the Vorta or event he Jem'hardar for that matter. The Vorta are like StarFleet officers; and withouth StarFleet officers, the Fed will not survive. Applying the same principle, the Dom cannot survive without its Vorta.
I love the Vorta....:::sniff::::::::sob::::::

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Somebody needs a shot from the non-wuss gun, eh JH?
Wasn't Eris more like a pyrokinetic?

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Posted by monkeyboy on :

And the cloning facitlty was destroyed in the alpha quad.
While the Alpha quadrant taskforce, fleet of the dominoion was taking losses, the Gamma quadrant part may have been spared and may have made up for hte ships and forces that were sent over.

This means that the gamma quadrant Dmion would still have the cloning facilites and a full capcity fleet ready for anything.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

When did the Federation ever fight the Dominion in the Gamma Quadrant during the war?

In fact, I don't think they did. The Vorta won't die out cause they're still be made there.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

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Right. When the Dommie fleet was destroyed in the wormhole, the implication was that that event kept the Dommie from sending more ships through for fear they would be destroyed again. And the Fed had no reason to take the war to another front.

The Dominion could still be alive and well, but the issue will be what will become of the nature of the Dominion after Odo's return. My guess is that the Vorta especially will still be around (the Founders did make their ancesters a promise after all). Also, they are not dependant on the Founders for life necessarliy. They simply worship them. The Jem'Hadar are another story. It'll be interesting to see.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

"...but as time goes on, as if cannot be controlled, they (the writters) always humanize all the aliens."

Good point, Saboc. I have been pondering about it for a while. Generally, Star Trek is a show that deals a lot with human(oid) problems, conflicts and emotions. Many aliens have been initially established as "too alien" for such stories. They either don't share a common understanding of basic principles of ethics, they are non-humanoid anyway or they have seemingly omnipotent forces. The thing that bothers me is that the writers nevertheless try to force human feelings and attitudes upon them. This has been done to the Borg in FC and most subsequent Voyager episodes, Species 8472 in "In the Flesh", the Ferengi after their first occurences in TNG and, as mentioned, the Vorta.

Luckily, the opposite applies to the Klingons after TOS. This is one of the few species that has really evolved to a credible civilization.

Another reason could be that a justification is needed why humans always prevail despite the superiority of their enemies. It's not only that the enemies always turn out weaker than initially expected, it's also that they try to imitate humans in some way, but humans are the better humans.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I've been thing about the nature of alien civs in Trek too. Remember that this is a story about humanity and as such, human values will always play out as preferrable. Also, other cultures will by nessecity be contrasted and compared to human values.

If we assume that the aliens in Trek are meant to tell us something about humanity we could assume that they represent various exagerrated human values: what we might become if we took one of the sides of human nature too far while neglecting the others.

For example:
-Klingons: Our aggressive instincts and our desire to settle things by overpowering our oppent taken too far while neglecting our sense of cooperation and diplomacy.

-Romulans: Our need for secrecy taken to an extreme. The Cold War humanity.

-Cardassians: Our cruelest impulses made the norm for society

-Borg: Humanity's tend toward collectivity while ignoring creativity and uniquness. You could also argue that the Borg represent the antothesis of humanity, everything we are not. This would explain why they are so fearsome and why their way of life is so undesireable to us.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Tholians: Arachnaphobia!?!

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Unfortunately, that's one of the problems with Trek...mono-personality species just aren't realistic.

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Posted by Saboc on :

If they do anything that changes the Vorta, in a negative way or in a humanized way, I'll be really depressed.

Unlike other species, the Vorta know who above them and who below them.
Take Klingons for example, (I love them by the way) all the species who "are warriorlike and "honorable" " are desirable. Any species that do not show the same traits, they consider them as weak and coward.

Humans: this is how humans are on the outside:
"We are explorers. We seek knowledge and life forms to learn and to co-exist"

On the inside:
" We don't like your values and your view of the universe, we'll do you a favor and impose our values on you. You better like it because our ships carry type-XII phaser emitters.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Well, the Federation is like any other organization; the members have chosen a way they wish to live and certain values they wish to incorporate into their lives. Other groups or societies have other ways of living and other values. They are welcome not to join the Federation. Unfortunately, the more agressive societies feel the need to impose their way of life, forcing the groups they come come accross, i.e. The Federation, to defend themsleves and their way of life.

The Federation has proven it's willingness to work with societies that don't necessarily manifest Federation values, the Klingons, Cardassians and such. These are not members of the Federation, but alliances are formed as long as the two groups can work together.

And, no, societies aren't single faceted, but I think Trek species tend to be represented by their governments. They've done a pretty good job of showing that citizens outside the government structure can be full of variety in their attitudes and beliefs.

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