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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

I was wondering in wylb was the ship that Admiral Ross used mentioned in the episode or in the novelisation?

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

His ship was not mentioned in the episode. It might have been mentioned in the novelization because I read bits of the book and it mentions a ship beginning with "N" but I don't remember the name or if it was his ship. Although the name Nelson pops into my head.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

I believe it's the Nebula-class ship. I don't know about a name. Actually I would of thought the Intrepid-class USS Bellerephon should of been his ship. Plus it would of been nice to see in battle with the other Federation ships.

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Posted by grb on :

The novelization mentioned the USS Faragut as Ross' ship. However, the neaubula-class farragut was destroied by the klingons several years earlier. There was a re-comissioned excelsior class farragut seen in an epssode taking place after the destruction of the first. However, i doguht that the admiral's ship in a battle like the Battle of carddassia would be an excelsior calls ship. Maybe the excelsior class farragut was destroeid, and was replaced by another farragut.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

A Farragut was mentioned since the Nebbie one was destroyed. Whether or not it was an Excelsior is a matter of opinion.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

While I'm no big fan of having the latter-day Farragut be an Excelsior, it would be fitting to have a ship of this class serve as the flagship of Admiral Ross. So far, the vast majority of flagships in TNG and DS9 have been of Excelsior class, at least per the Encyclopedia.

The Bellerophon of "Inter Arma.." fame probably wasn't in any way related to Admiral Ross. Instead, she was probably the preferred long-range courier vessel of Starfleet Command at the time because of the high inherent speed of the Intrepid class. Such speed would be meaningless in the final DS9 battle, since the fleet had to move at the speed of the slowest Miranda relic anyway.

And if it was somebody aboard the Bellerophon who was doing the transporter trickery that saved Sloane, we could assume the ship was at the beck and call of Section 31. The organization might not have wished to sacrifice the ship in the "WYLB" battle, and would covertly have arranged for her not to be used there.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Mirandas aren't slow. Besides speed being a non-issue in space, they kept up with the Defiant in SoA.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Er...speed a nonissue? Clarification, please. (I think I see where he's going, but with Frank it is never safe to assume.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

I mean, ships won't have a maximum speed, since they can accelerate until they hit the speed of light, or any other set limit (like the .25c impulse one). With regards to maximum acceleration, the Sitak and Majestic didn't seem to have any trouble keeping up with the Defiant.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Haven't you seen that the rear of the torpedo launchers on the Miranda Classes were fitted with extra impuls engines?

Also the Galaxy classes were running on 3 impuls engines.

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Posted by spyone on :

The Treknobabble explanation for the Excelsior-Class Farragut (in case anyone cares) is that after the Nebula Class Farragut was lost the retired Excelsior Class Farragut was brought out of mothballs and returned to service. Given the "Frankenstein Fleet", I'd say Starfleet was putting just about any ship that could make warp onto the lines, so that explanation flies with me. I'm just wondering why the Constitution Class ship in the Fleet Museum wasn't reactivated.

(I'm not serious about that last bit: IMO the Constitution Class ship in the Fleet Museum is the USS Excalibur, and it was never fully repaired after M5 killed the crew. This would explain why Picard instantly recognized the pre-refit bridge (he commented that there was one in the Fleet Museum). Another ship likely in the Museum is the Enterprise-A as an example of a _post_ refit Constitution Class. That ship will not reenter service unless it is absolutely vital, will not have it's name changed under any circumstances, and will probably not be reactivated as long as there is a ship named Enterprise in service.)

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Altair - were you serious about those impulse engines on the Miranda torpedo pods? This is highly interesting.

How do they manifest? As constant red glow identical in color to that of the main impulse engine nozzle glow? What episode would you recommend? Any screencap sites?

Could it be that this is just the "loaded torp bay glow" we saw e.g. in the Klingon ships in TMP? TNG-era torps are deep red, after all, and could glow much the same as impulse engines. OTOH, why would the ships be flying with the doors to loaded aft torp tubes hanging open?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Yes I'm serious! They manifest as similar red glowing.

I recommend viewing 'Sacrifice of Angels'. ALL Miranda's seem to have these two extra impulse engines in this episode.

These are two examples:

In fact, as you may see, the two extra impulse engines are bigger than the standard two.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

For the Miranda discussion please go HERE

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

I believe the ship in the museum may actually be the abandoned USS Exeter.

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Posted by spyone on :

I'd thought of that, but it seems silly to abandon a ship just because the crew diesd of diease. Expose the interior to space, spray in some disinfectant, and have the haz-mat crews cleen it out. But USS Excalibur took damage that killed the entire crew without destroying the ship. This just reminded me of the USS Massachusetts, a WWII battleship that was badly damaged. Instead of repairing it, they poured concrete to cover the holes in the deck and tuned it into a museum in Fall River, MA.

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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :

I think the old constitution class ship is the republic.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Well, if we assume that because of the mention in "Valiant", than the Republic can't be in a museum as it is still being used by Starfleet.

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