Camp Khitomer. Is it me, or is that a modification of the Starfleet emblem on the right flag? And if you look closely at the yellow flag on the building, it looks like there's a Romulan symbol there. WHY? (Silly side-note: wasn't this building also used in the Power Rangers!?) http://fleetyard.virtualave.net/temp/tuccaps/089.jpg
So, the final word on the different groups attending Khitomer: Blue is the Federation delegation (split up in a diplomatic corps and a Starfleet delegation). Red are the Klingons. Yellow are the Vulcans and Green are the humans.
Posted by Just Harry (Member # 265) on :
The "room" in this picture looks to me to be a TNG corrider with something placed down the middle. It looks similar to the protection-screen thingie the Transporter room had in this film.
It's possibly the corridor that leads into Engineering on the Ent-D, since that was fairly wide.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
Interesting that Romulan ambassador Nanclus wears a yellow sash as part of his normal costume... the same color as the Vulcans. Perhaps a casual observation of same between Spock and Pardek led to eighty years of attempted reunification.
Also, the "Deltans with wigs" aren't wearing wigs, those are some sort of goofy headdress... they probably are Deltans.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
No, the sash of Nanclus is quite different. The colour is more like sand gold than yellow and it's more detailed.
quote:it looks like there's a Romulan symbol there. WHY?
I think Khitomer is a Romulan planet. The Klingons didn't want the conference on Earth but on a neutral planet. A Klingon planet wouldn't be any more neutral than Earth.
Maybe the Klingons conquered the planet sometime after the conferecne. That would explain the Romulan attack in the 24th century.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
That partition in the middle of the room kind of looks like it has a warp core diagram on it. Whatever it is, it seems like a funny place to put a huge slab of metal and glass.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
About these different "delegates" at the Khitomer conference... remember we had a big-arsed thread on it last year? Where we pointed out there was a whole 'human-looking' section etc. etc.
And that building was also used as the break-away Lore-controlled borg headquarters in "Descent parts 1 and 2"
Andrew
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, seeing as it's a wide "K-corridor" with display panels on both sides and a (plexi)glass display panel with a schematic of a warp core along the middle of the corrdor, it's the E-A Engineering. (Also noting that the rest of the E-D set was redressed as the E-A Engineering. And the isolation doors did go down in the movie right after a view of Scotty looking at one of the displays showing shield strength)
Posted by Red Ultra CaptainMike Pym (Member # 709) on :
actually i believe that scene was aboard the Excelsior
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
How would you possibly be able to tell that? Eh? Eh?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Yes, the Khitomer building is the one from the Power Rangers. Or at least they are very very very similar.
And I was under the impression that the yellow sashes were on the Romulans. After all, the Romulan banner on the exterior was yellow.
Posted by Just Harry (Member # 265) on :
That's what I thought initially too. But that would not explain the big-arsed IDIC symbol hanging behind them. And they don't seem to wear anything particularly Romulan looking (no padded shoulders).
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Yes, the symbols represented the various delegations. The UFP symbol for the blue sashes, IDIC for the yellow sashes, this Star symbol for the green sashes, and the Klingon symbol for the red sashes.
And the Khitomer-conference was about peace talks between Klingons and UFP. The Romulans weren't involved.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK, I'm guessing that we have an 'old' Romulan symbol. (no bird piccy)
I believe the planet was not Romulan either, I believe it would have been something like Organia or even uninhabited or something like Cestus III.
I don't know why but, yes it seems as if the Romulan delegation and the Vulcan delegation are sitting together (maybe there were separate talks?)
I think looking at the audience and going right to left we have, Starfleet, Federation reps, Vulcan reps/Romulan reps, Klingons then possibly the Khitomer delgation or just a group of non-aligned overseers? Or even press.
Or are we sure that the 'Romulans' aren't ALL romulans and Sarek has just decided to sit with them?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The guy on the right - one of the 'freaky-wigged-deltans' - I reckon looks like one of those aliens with big 'helmet-hair' from "Journey To Babel".
Also maybe the 'human looking people' are Organians?
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
Do you have any screenshots of Journey to Babel. Or could you make a few?
They could be Organians, but 1) they didn't seem that interested in interstellar politics, apart from what happened in their space and 2) the script wants us to believe they are humans.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
I don't remember seeing that alien guy in "Flashback". He does look a lot like this unknown alien from The Art of Star Trek.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Crewman Dax sorta looks like the Fishy Guy� from the Bar in Star Trek III: The Search For Spock.
And I believe that 'mysterious alien' portrait shot was a background alien from DS9... not that I ever saw him on DS9, but I think there is a picture in "Star Trek: A History In Pictures" With Quark, Rom, (Quark's regular waiter Grek or what ever his name was), Morn and this guy looking at a PADD.
What was Quark's waiter named again? (And yes he was given a name)
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Can I just express how incredibly cool it is that there's a United Earth logo after all? Probably the strongest evidence yet (aside from the meaning of the word "Federation") that there's a separate planetary government (or system government, more likely) based on Earth for local affairs.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Oh, and Andrew: The was a "Grimp" in Bar Association. He had speaking lines, but didn't seem to appear again, or at least not per IMDb.
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
So the question is, WHERE is the Earth President!?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Or the High Commisioner of the Executive Assembly, or Premier, or Prime Minister, or Secretary General, or Chairman of the Cabinet, or somesuch.
Hell, there's no reason every government body in the galaxy needs to have a leader, per se. I mean, it's a common enough principle in Earth culture, so it stands to reason there'd be one in the Earth government, but who's to say there's actually is someone who holds the title of Vulcan Chancellor or Andorian First Minister?
More importantly is the question of why Earth and Vulcan get to send their own delegations to a peace conference in addition to a Federation one. Here's a bit of speculation: perhaps there are grandfathered ceasefires and treaties and so on and so forth dating back to Archer's day between the individual planets Earth and Vulcan and Qo'noS. Because these Khitomer Accords could swallow up all the old agreements on peace between these now-Federation worlds and the Empire and consolidate them into a new treaty, Earth and Vulcan end up becoming negotiating partners again.
A final obscure Khitomer question: Why only Federation emblems on the desk thingies for what is supposedly a bilateral peace conference?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
If there's an Earth president, shouldn't it have been him, and not the Federation president who declared martial law on Earth in "Homefront"?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Watching "Shadows Of P'Jem" tonight, I noticed that the compound for Starfleet in San Francisco flew a blue flag with an emblem upon it that's extremely close if not exactly the same as the 24th-century UFP seal. It was definitely NOT the UN emblem.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
The guy in the center of the picture looks like Pardek (yes, I know... ). Is the blue guy supposed to be an Andorian? I didn't see them in the room.
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
I don't know. It could be the old "The Cage" insignia with some olive branches.
And no, I don't think they are Andorians. First, no Andorians we ever saw wore such elaborate garments, and more importantly, they don't have antennea(ae?). There is actually another blue race attending Khitomer. They have greyish hair, and the completely different clothes probably means they are not supposed to be the same species.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
The antennae could be hidden under his hat.
Posted by Mr. Pink (Member # 621) on :
Bad antennae day?
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
Could be, but the fact is that the make-up doesn't include antennae, and the intention is that they aren't Andorians.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I noticed something today when I watched an old TOS-tape (blame Commodore Dominguez): The 'Deltans with wigs' did appear in the background of 'Jurney to Babel', too. Or, at least, very similar looking guys. Do you remember the guys from 'Encounter at Farpoint' (Denebians?)? IIRC, they had a similar looking funky wig.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
That building turns out to be (or be at) the Brandes Institute religious retreat in Simi Valley, California.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by The_Tom: Oh, and Andrew: The was a "Grimp" in Bar Association. He had speaking lines, but didn't seem to appear again, or at least not per IMDb.
That guy was actually played by Aaron Eisenberg... not him There was a 'regular' short guy that (I don't think ever had a speaking role) but was yelled at by Quark a few times. I remember him (I think it was him this time) in an episode where Quark was doing catering for some event and had his 'staff' lined up holding trays and one of them was nervous and shaking and Quark yelled at him then... too.
He seemed to be mostly the other Ferengi that was around (actually waitering/in the background)
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Actually that middle Romulan/Vulcan DOES look like Pardek. I remember reading where TUC and Unification 1 and 2 were filmed round the same time, and Unification, of course referred to the Upcoming film. (At the time) So maybe they sliped Pardek in there as a little bit of continuity (that may have been extended apon in cut scenes from the movie (of which we know there are) for instance there was a HUGE entrance procession sequence that occured, according to Michael Dorn, who said it was pretty impressive.
ALSO the blue guy with no (as far as we know antennae, might be a Troyan?? Some blue-skinned race from "Elaan of Troyius" who were supposedly related to Andorians, but had no Antennae.
Considering there was a TUC 'slant' on what we think are Tellarites seen in the Art of Star Trek, maybe this is a TUC spin on Andorians (except we can't see it's antennae?). I can't see any white hair - he might be bald, but doesn't his hood look a little 'peaked' at the top?
And what is that symbol on the back wall, to the right of the Vulcan IDIC symbol? It has Green, Red and Yellow incorporated in it. Maybe this was an earlier Romulan symbol. I have seen a Red/Yellow/Green rectangular symbol on some Bird of Prey photograph of a shooting? model on the net. (It is also on my hard drive somewhere) which could be from when they thought that the Klingons were going to steal it from the Romulans in TSFS.
quote:ALSO the blue guy with no (as far as we know antennae, might be a Troyan??
IIRC they had green skin.
quote:And what is that symbol on the back wall, to the right of the Vulcan IDIC symbol?
On which sreenshot?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
The extended conference scene: There was also a short scene included in the trailer. I remember seeing it, the President and his wife (?) entering the hall, followed by several of the ambassadors and staff.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Andrew: Do you mean the banner in this picture? It's just another Vulcan thing. It has an IDIC symbol on it, as seen here.
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