[ December 18, 2002, 09:01: Message edited by: First of Two ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Maybe I didn't look hard enough, but I don't see where it says that.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
"IMPORTANT NOTICE:
The April 2003 issue of Star Trek the Magazine will be the last. You will still be able to purchase back issues after this date but there will be no more new issues."
Posted by darkwing_duck1 (Member # 790) on :
Typical...first no new Encyclopedia or Chronology updates, now they take away the Magazine...us "background info" people CAN'T win!
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Hmmm, no reason given. Anyone actually know what it is? Low revenue?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe if they released it OUTSIDE of the US - they'd have some more business!?!
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Maybe if they had lowered there price, it would have done better.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
No Voyager TM, no Fact Files, no Magazine.
Seems they cut off any supplies of canon stuff we need.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
With Enterprise being a fairly small ship and with so many main features having been worked out by the designers... maybe we'll get an "NX Class Technical Manual"...
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I like the ST:TM always a good source for my site. I love the starship concept art sections. Sadly I haven't been able to keep up to date with issues anyway.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
AAAAAARGH!!!
I don't know what to say. After all I did to get this mag delivered to me (in the Netherlands).. and just as it was getting better. I really enjoyed it. Especially the new technical articles from Sternbach.
I can never forgive them.. for the death of my boy.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
My guess is that several things contirbuted to this.
1. Lack of sales 2. Lack of new info to use to write about 3. With Fact Files ending their run, they may have lost a source of their ilustration work.
Just a guess.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
A creative team with assistance from current and former Star Trek production crew could have done many more articles. They could have written speculative pieces on what life is like for non-Starfleet members or the political structure of the Federation. There was so much beyond starships and background information.
I agree with Aban Rune's reasons. However, I would like to modify one of his reasons to fan disinterest in the franchise as a consequence of uninteresting and uninvolving stories leading to a general disinterest in the franchise and any product tied to this being adversely affected.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Either I'm going crazy, you're all going crazy, or we're not seeing the same Web site, because I still don't see that on there...
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
I can't see it either. But I don't care anyway. I loved all your scans from that magazine and always got madly jealous at not being able to buy it here. So, can't be helped, they should have released it in more countries than just the US...serves them right if they have to cancel it because of lack of sales.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
At first I didn't see the notice. Then I scrolled down. Behold, I saw the notice. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
If all you did was scroll down, then it must be on the front page.
"Welcome to STAR TREK: The Magazine!
"December Issue - on sale October 29th 2002
"December's issue is a Star Trek III: The Search for Spock special and features 2 collectors covers!
"There's never been a publication like STAR TREK: The Magazine, the most complete resource of its kind.... ever! Richly illustrated in full color throughout, page after dazzling page is packed with the information you need. Whether it's the shows, the movies, the latest news, readers' forum, guest stars or the latest merchandise.... you'll find them all in STAR TREK: The Magazine
"This new, officially authorized, magazine will bring you the very best new, up-to-date, in-depth news and information on STAR TREK every month, complete with unique new pictures. Every 112 page issue brings you spectacular gatefolds with detailed technical drawings and full color artwork, plus full analysis of the characters, races, starships, as well as 24th-century technology.
"We'll be covering every aspect of all four series and all the movies, from Kirk's first mission to the latest episodes of STAR TREK: VOYAGER and STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE, and we'll be talking directly to the stars, producers, directors, writers, production designers, artists, makeup and costume designers, special effects supervisors and everyone in the world of STAR TREK - past and present.
"But this is much more than a magazine. In every issue we will bring you special new briefings containing unique, detailed and beautifully illustrated technical information on the ships, weapons and technology of STAR TREK, and probing studies of its characters, organizations, races, planets and space phenomena.
"And we'll be bringing you great new features on all aspects of STAR TREK as well as taking a behind-the-scenes look at the making of the series and movies.
"A Great Subscription Offer
"Become a charter subscriber now and you'll receive the exclusive STAR TREK: The Magazine T-shirt worth $19.95 FREE! You can't get this great T-shirt anywhere else, you can't get it in retail stores, it's exclusive to charter subscribers! You'll also get the next issue FREE and you'll save a huge 20% on newsstand prices.
"It's too good to miss! Subscribe Now!"
Feel free to point out where I'm missing it...
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Welcome to STAR TREK: The Magazine! December Issue - on sale October 29th 2002
December's issue is a Star Trek III: The Search for Spock special and features 2 collectors covers!
There's never been a publication like STAR TREK: The Magazine, the most complete resource of its kind.... ever! Richly illustrated in full color throughout, page after dazzling page is packed with the information you need. Whether it's the shows, the movies, the latest news, readers' forum, guest stars or the latest merchandise.... you'll find them all in STAR TREK: The Magazine
This new, officially authorized, magazine will bring you the very best new, up-to-date, in-depth news and information on STAR TREK every month, complete with unique new pictures. Every 112 page issue brings you spectacular gatefolds with detailed technical drawings and full color artwork, plus full analysis of the characters, races, starships, as well as 24th-century technology.
We'll be covering every aspect of all four series and all the movies, from Kirk's first mission to the latest episodes of STAR TREK: VOYAGER and STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE, and we'll be talking directly to the stars, producers, directors, writers, production designers, artists, makeup and costume designers, special effects supervisors and everyone in the world of STAR TREK - past and present.
But this is much more than a magazine. In every issue we will bring you special new briefings containing unique, detailed and beautifully illustrated technical information on the ships, weapons and technology of STAR TREK, and probing studies of its characters, organizations, races, planets and space phenomena.
And we'll be bringing you great new features on all aspects of STAR TREK as well as taking a behind-the-scenes look at the making of the series and movies.
IMPORTANT NOTICE:
The April 2003 issue of Star Trek the Magazine will be the last. You will still be able to purchase back issues after this date but there will be no more new issues.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Twilight Zone!
Before this thread I'm not sure I had read a single kind word directed towards the magazine. Seems a little late to show such concern.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Mike: Not on my screen.
Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
Scroll down, TSN...
Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You omitted the last sentence where Paramount says "Fuck you fans: all we care about is money."
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
How dare they not be charity service.
quote:Originally posted by newark: However, I would like to modify one of his reasons to fan disinterest in the franchise as a consequence of uninteresting and uninvolving stories leading to a general disinterest in the franchise and any product tied to this being adversely affected.
"I could never forgive them for the death of my boy, him being my offspring who was killed, murdered, destroyed by the aformentioned people of whom I am speaking about right now in this sentence which I am communicating in a succinct, clear and concise manner. Curses!"
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: You omitted the last sentence where Paramount says "Fuck you fans: all we care about is money."
That's all the have ever cared about. In fact, that's the only reason corporations exist.
Magaziens are expensive propositions, especially nationally distributed ones. It's ad revenue that makes it possible to sell many magazines as cheaply as they do. Specialized publications that have little or no advertising are tough to make a profit on. Fact is, I was surprised they managed to make a go of that magazine for long as they did...especially considering how narrow the subject matter is. I mean, the average watcher isn't interested in the stuff like tech briefings. So you risk alienating casual viewers if you cater to the techies. And even if you cater to the more causal fan, how many interviews with Michael Dorn does anyone really want to read. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Adam: That doesn't do it, either.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Don't know what to tell ya, TSN, but I can see it fine too. Your browser must have evil spirits...
-MMoM Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
It's a Mozilla thing...
No, not really. The only reason I can think of is that you have been to that page before the notice was added and that the page was therefor in the cache folder.
TSN, have you tried to reload the page?? (Ok, that's a stupid question, but it's the only solution I can think of at the moment...)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, I had reloaded back when this thread started, and it didn't work. However, it did work now. I also know that I hadn't been to that page (ever, as far as I know, much less recently) before this thread. So, all I can think of is that the page I was seeing was temporarily there when I loaded the page a few days ago, and that's the one that got stuck in my cache.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Thrills!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Chills! Spills!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Did you get over excited there, Timmy?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I think I need to change my pants now...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: I like the ST:TM always a good source for my site. I love the starship concept art sections. Sadly I haven't been able to keep up to date with issues anyway.
You use it as canon for your site?! It's chock full o' lots of pretty pictures and tons of really inaccurate informaton, like for example, this month's issue includes the least accurate ship scale comparison chart I've ever seen.
According to their chart the Niagra, Freedom and Constalation are all much smaller than a Miranda class starship and the Sabre (with it's crew of 40) is much larger than an Intrepid.
...on the other hand, the Rich Sternbach(sp?) article on the Constalation just a few pager later in the same issue gives accurate dimensions and even a great cut-away!
I always enjoy the pics of starships and schematics of alien ships (great reference once verified!), but many times the features on the ships are mis-labeled.
I'll miss the magazine a lot, but quality control could have been much better and re-hashing technical info on the galaxy class is getting really old.
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: ...and the Sabre (with it's crew of 40) is much larger than an Intrepid.
Isn't it? Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No. That was just me foaming at the mouth. They really should have used Brend's(sp?) chart from Exastris. It lists more ships too!
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Constellation.
Bernd.
Ex Astris.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Rick Sternbach
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
According to their chart the Niagra, Freedom and Constalation are all much smaller than a Miranda class starship and the Sabre (with it's crew of 40) is much larger than an Intrepid.
"The Defiant Sabre is this long!!!"
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
LOL! Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
BOLD! Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Now if we could just put bubbles into a Starfleet uniform... Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Couldn't we just get Worf to fart?
(Ha! I with the funny!)
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Give me a uniform type/colour and rank.
Troi's grey outfit. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Actually I used the concept art stuff on my site.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Styrofoaman:
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Give me a uniform type/colour and rank.
Troi's grey outfit.
You quoted after I changed that. Fool!
Plus, ewww...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Now if we could just put bubbles into a Starfleet uniform...
Tsk, you people and your sick fetishes.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
As fetishes go, that's pretty tame. I once saw a man crucified in front of a dozen or so hardcore fetish goers at a private party..... (please don't go there with bubbles! I was onnly making an observation!)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I don't need to go there. The wonderful world of the internet has surely already done that. Cartoon paedophilic porn for all!
Posted by E. Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"I once saw a man crucified in front of a dozen or so hardcore fetish goers"
I knew that Jesus had a bunch of wacko followers, but I must have missed the part where he went from simple carpenter to object of fetish.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It's the sexy beardy stubble. Gets them every time.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
More of a pain and submission thing. ...BTW, he was nailed up through the fleshy part of the palms, not the old style roman way of between the Radius and Ulna. Sissy. Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
God, I have too much free time on my hands. And an uncaring audience.
If that was an Akira-class ship, you would care!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
We care, but would bubbles really need to phaser a tribble? Not that I'm complaining, mind you.... Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
Jesus Christ had nails nailed into his wrists. This was to prolong the suffering and the dying. If the nails were placed in his hands, his weight wouldn't have been supported.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
A bit of ropework would solve that problem.
For that matter, the nails in general are superfluous to the act of crucifixion. Any suspension of upper body from shoulders or above will be lethal in the long term, leading to exhaustion asphyxia as the muscles necessary for breathing face unbearable strain.
Any hope of mercifully suffocating this thread, too? While this may not be the fastest topic drift in Flare history, it certainly is one of the most extreme...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Thats what I said. Radius and Ulna are the two bones in the forearm and the romans nailed people at their juncture just at the wrist. ....anything else will eventually tear out from the body's suspended weight. That classic paintings and images of Christ nailed through his hands is not really accurate.
...by the way, did you know the Star Trek Magazine is gouing to cease publication? My fault for this bizarre tangent into torture. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Thats what I said. Radius and Ulna are the two bones in the forearm and the romans nailed people at their juncture just at the wrist. ....anything else will eventually tear out from the body's suspended weight. Those classic paintings and images of Christ nailed through his hands are not really accurate.
...by the way, did you know the Star Trek Magazine is gouing to cease publication? My fault for this bizarre tangent into torture.
Posted by E. Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Ahh, the physics of crucification. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
....now if Jesus had Inertial Dampners and a antigrav belt he'd have lasted longer.... Was that wrong? I have no moral compass to guide me... Psyliam: want a job?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: We care, but would bubbles really need to phaser a tribble? Not that I'm complaining, mind you....
I think she's just trying to change the channel on her round, fluffy television.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Or she's trying to turn down the volume on it's purring..... ......or she's scanning it for explosives.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The best suggestion I had was that she' thinking "What's profliflic mean?"
I have to get a job soon. This scares me.
I thought that it was common practise to simply hold the cruxified people up by ropes at the wrists. The only reason that Jesus got the nails treatement is that he was singled out for extra punishment. Presumably, he'd have had the ropes as well. The nails would have been mainly for the pain.
Or maybe he did just have the nails. He had superpowers, didn't he?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
No picture this time? No cookie for you!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
A picture from ST:TM?
Where's my job then? Eh?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Good point. Mabye you could do an online version with acurate information and ship scales.....you'd be rich beyond the wildest dreams of avarice then baby!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I think the only bit of the bible that says Jesus was nailed to the cross is toward the end of the John gospel, when Thomas says he won't believe Jesus resurrected unless he sticks his fingers in the nail-holes.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Does he really say that? That's like me saying "I don't believe you have prostate cancer unless I reach up there and feel the lump!" Those cwazy deciples! I personally think Jesus skipped town and was disentigrated by Boba Fett.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Hang on, you want an online version showing the average length of your standard Bubbles, or the average length of your standard Jesus being cruxified?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The adverage length of Bubbles crucifing Jesus, of course.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
170 metres.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
...but the on-screen evidence clearly shows it's 120 meters!
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