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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,3,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> OK here we are a year and a half into Enterprise - and he finally admits what I, and a LOT of net denizens had been barking about well before Voyager had finished:<br /><br />Berman: 'Enterprise' May Have Come Too Soon<br /><br />"Star Trek producer Rick Berman recently admitted Enterprise may have premiered before the audience was ready for it. <br /><br />"Perhaps we weren't careful enough in giving the audience some breathing room � a year or two they could have lain fallow," Berman told Time Magazine. The magazine drew attention to Enterprise's diminished ratings as part of a feature article exploring the entire Star Trek journey."<br /><br />The rest of the article is at Trektoday - the also have a cool article - that I've only read the first part to, interviewing Ron Jones who did the scores for memorable episodes like Heart of Glory and BOBW 1 and 2. He was fired for trying to 'add' to the scores.<br /><br /><br />The Berman article:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.trektoday.com/news/171202_02.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.trektoday.com/news/171202_02.shtml</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>E. Cartman</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,5,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:01 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <a href="http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000378;p=1#000011" target="_blank">Everybody has 20/20 hindsight</a>... but Berman's myopic. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,10,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:47 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, this issue does kind of deserve its own topic.<br /><br />I myself have argued since I first started joining internet discussions in the fall of 1999 that Trek needed to rest for a while. I even wrote <a href="http://www.st-minutiae.com/cafe/article-002.htm" target="_blank">an article</a> in November 1999 that was intended to be part of my website's "soapbox" (an idea that I never really developed but still remains).<br /><br />Before anyone here who reads that commentary starts throwing jokes, I wrote that essay three whole years ago when I was still a wide-eyed fanboy, relatively new to the Internet and just starting to learn about some of its subtleties. Also, over time I've gotten a bit more cynical. And I guess it's a perverse irony that "Enterprise" arguably fills the four major criteria that put forth for the then-undetermined new series. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,11,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh my god, he's admitted that they might have made a mistake! Damn him and his children!<br /><br /> <br />MM's article:<br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The basic plot of the series should be laid out in advance. J. Michael Straczynski did this with "Babylon 5," although I don't think that the show should be plotted out so meticulously. A basic idea of what the series as a whole is about and where it is going should definitely be considered. <br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Y'know, I liked Babylon 5, I really did. But it is not a show to be copied if you're trying to find commercial success. Rathings wise, it was fairly awful. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,12,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:01 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Sorry, I meant to put this on too.<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> OK here we are a year and a half into Enterprise - and he finally admits what I, and a LOT of net denizens had been barking about well before Voyager had finished:<br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A lot of net denizens also think that the new series should have had the Defiant fleet with the type XXXXIIII phazors and I can't even be arsed doing the fake 733t speek anymore, so tired I am of it. But the point remains. A lot of net denizens are idiots, and should never, ever be listened to. Ever. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>E. Cartman</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,13,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:50 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Words to live by. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,14,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:03 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Just net denizens? Also, only awful ratings-wise? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,15,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote>"Before anyone here who reads that commentary starts throwing jokes..."</blockquote><br />And since you've stated your disclaimer, <i>now</i> we can start making jokes? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,16,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TSN:<br /><strong> <blockquote>"Before anyone here who reads that commentary starts throwing jokes..."</blockquote><br />And since you've stated your disclaimer, <i>now</i> we can start making jokes? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sure, go ahead. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <br /><br />I just wanted to point out that it was an old article, and I've gotten a little... well, I'd <i>like</i> to think "wiser," but as Liam pointed out, there are a lot of idiots on the net, and I'm still just a fan with a keyboard. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Y'know, I liked Babylon 5, I really did. But it is not a show to be copied if you're trying to find commercial success. Rathings wise, it was fairly awful.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I know it really struggled ratings-wise. And I know that a lot of things are affected by the production of a show. I meant that there should be a basic idea of the overall course that the show would take, even if a lot of the details were changed. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Masao</b> <br /><small>Member # 232</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,17,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:18 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I didn't read the whole article in Time, but I think it's interesting that the quote suggests Berman's not accepting much blame. He's really blaming us for not being ready for (ie able to fully understand and appreciate) his excellent TV show. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,22,20,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 22, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:09 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, why shouldn't he be? Has it ever occured to you that he might actually <i>like</i> it? Shock, horror! Or, even that other people watching might? Crazy!<br /><br />The Time Europe article was rather nonsensical anyway. DS9 was popular because its gooey spirituality appealed to female viewers? I believe the proper response to that claim is "the" and "hell?" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TheWoozle</b> <br /><small>Member # 929</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,11,23,8,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">December 23, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> One hopes that his admission is also a plan to ACTUALLY have a direction in the future. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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