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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Picked it up today. I don't have a DVD-rom, so no screencaps from me (sorry).

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, that certainly makes you special.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Doesn't it, though?

Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :

+4 informative

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

Ok, to make this post relavent and not just a spam-fest (and I say that out of spite:)), I thought I would try to clear up or ask to have some things cleared up about this dvd.

1) The starships we see in it:

USS Saratoga (probe encounter)
USS Yorktown (Captain's SOS on screen)

When the probe interrupts power to Spacedock
we briefly see:
USS Excelsior (clearly on the left)
Unnamed Miranda (in the shadows on the right)

later:
USS Shepard (confirm? - female SOS barely distinguishable on the right of the screen)

Following the 'trial' and back in spacedock we again see:
USS Copernicus (presumably - just a small portion of its saucer and primary hull on the left of the screen)
Unnamed Constitution (presumably - you can see its nacelles perpendicular to their shuttle as it flys toward the tv screen)
Unnamed Constitution (possibly a second of this class as we get our first shot for within the shuttle we see along the top of its "windshield" a pair of nacelles running now parrallel to the shuttle, just prior to the flyby of the Excelsior.
USS Enterprise-A

2) Also, I havent purchased the DVD yet (I only have the widescreen laserdisc of the movie - anyone wanna buy it, btw?? [Wink]

), but there is no added footage to the new DVD is there? just the 6hrs of extra interviews and crap? Was there ever any extra footage to this movie?

3) On a related topic. ST6 - Is there not two slightly different versions of this movie currently available. One apparently having 2 minutes more footage than the other?

4) Lastly "Generations". The scene where Geordi was moreless being interrogated by Soran...I distinctly remember seeing that scene of the movie in the theatre...but I was reading that that scene was never available as part of any cut of the movie...was I smoking something that day or was that maybe part of some preview I may have seen for the movie somewhere? Whichever the case it was long before the scenes became available from MediaTrek or whichever site had those clips.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Star Trek VI, in theaters, was without the Operation Retrieve scene, which was put back for the VHS release. So, there are two versions, but there's only one available to watch at home. (That is, assuming the currently available ST VI DVD has that scene, which I believe it does.)

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

No, the Op. Retrieve scene WAS there - I distinctly remember laughing at the absurdity of it. What was cut out was the revelation that the "Klingon Assassin" wasn't Klingon.

In "Generations", only part of the Geordi interrogation scene was removed - specifically, the part where Soran puts a heart stopping doodad into our engineer. Later in the movie, Soarn goes to the bridge and tells the busty beauties that Geordi's "heart wasn't in it", causing most people to wonder what the heck he was talking about.

Mmm, now THERE's something that'd better be on the SP-ED DVD - all the missing pieces of "Generations"!

Mark

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

As I recall, two scenes from Star Trek VI were re-inserted for the video release. I know the revelation of the assassin's true identity was one, and I believe that Sol is right -- "Op: Retrieve" was cut from the film version. I also remember Rene Auberjonis talking in an interview about filming his scenes for Star Trek VI, only to have all his on-screen time cut.

Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay:
...and I believe that Sol is right -- "Op: Retrieve" was cut from the film version.

Correct. This scene was not present in the theatrical cut (at least, not at my local theater).

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

well i am glad we have established that...

i always thought i was missing something, hearing about extra scenes and then never realizing that i was seening more than was intended at initial release.

any comments on the ships seen?

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Commander Dan:

quote:
Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay:
...and I believe that Sol is right -- "Op: Retrieve" was cut from the film version.
Correct. This scene was not present in the theatrical cut (at least, not at my local theater).

The Operation Retrieve was the worst part of the movie:Giant printed maps with huge arrows for the aparantly stupid President.
Good thing Starfleet didint have any computer screens or anything... [Roll Eyes]

They really should have left both scenes out of the finished movie.

Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :

Well, the only computer screen in the office was the big viewer, and that might not have been a computer interface, just a communications screen. Also, maybe this president liked that kind of thing. He wore glasses, after all.

Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :

The female officer giving the SOS is Lieutenent Trylla (sp?) of the USS Shepard. The Mike Okuda text commentary mentions it.

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Any other good extra material?

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I was very satisfied, actually. [Big Grin]

Also picked up ST3-SE since I missed that when it first came out.

Actually, I was really happy with the trailer for STIV. Very well done (STIII's gave away the biggest surprise of the film: destruction of Enterprise).

(Why'd you have to edit your damn post, Nim?!)

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I noticed my question had been answered already, in part.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Even today we all know that Powerpoint has killed paper dead, and you can't even find a printer or a copy machine in today's modern office. And books? Supplanted by Palm Pilots.

Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :

One still needs paper and pen to write lecture notes. [Smile]

And there's copiers and printers aplenty in the offices of Aliant (in Saint John, anyways)

Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay:
As I recall, two scenes from Star Trek VI were re-inserted for the video release. I know the revelation of the assassin's true identity was one, and I believe that Sol is right -- "Op: Retrieve" was cut from the film version. I also remember Rene Auberjonis talking in an interview about filming his scenes for Star Trek VI, only to have all his on-screen time cut.

I seem to recall that the other scene added was torpedo bay scene featuring Spock, Scotty and Valeris. It may have been left out for one of two reasons. First, when Valeris slides down a pole into the bay, she bumps he wall, which visibly shakes. Second, Scotty recites the line, "I'll bet that Klingon bitch killed her father!" which some people feel is both out of character and rather sexist...an unenlightned comment from one of our otherwise noble heroes.

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

And Kirk's "Let them die!" wasn't? Of course, Shatner then did a reaction shot (edited out by Meyer, and not replaced despite all his pleas) meant to show he couldn't actually believe he'd just said that. . .

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

Maybe the Operation Retreive poster was something they drew up in the hallway and they kept it on paper for security reasons so that the klingons or anyone else wouldnt be able to access it. Then again that is kind of redundant considering it was the conspirators who wrote it up and then again they walked into the room with it just as the klingon ambassador (why the hell didnt they give that guy a name, even after 2 movies?!) was leaving the room, which SFC wasnt aware of as they walked into the room anyway.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Again, I'm certain it was Aberjonis' scenes that were cut. Despite the torpedo bay wall, the scene in the torpedo bay provided a well deserved moment of humor -- "That would be impossible, Mr. Scott, seeing as Klingons do not have tear ducts."

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

A fact completely ignored since. Good thing they kept to the pink blood though, eh?

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I don't know, have we ever seen a Klingon cry?

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Well, there was a reference to Khaless's tears making the seas overflow. And Worf may have cried when Jadzia died, not sure there.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Since we're talking about Klingons, "tears" probably means blood -- fits that they'd see their oceans as blood not water!

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Perhaps lack of tear glands and pink blood had something to do w/ whatever made the Klingons look different in the 2260s than at any other time. As they regrew their ridges throughout the late 23rd century, they also were regrowing their lachrymal glands, and their blood was gradually turning back to red.

Or something.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Not a bad bit of rationalization, really.

Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :

Hmmmm, on a tangent...an ocean of pink gooey blood would really be an amusing thing to see.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I didn't literally mean that the oceans on Quo'nos were pink, but that the Klingons were likely to make comparisons of water being as essential to the "life" of their world as blood is to a body, and hence, the "tears of Kahless" line.

Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :

"Daddy, your stomach's crying."

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Krudge cried a bit in ST III when he murdered his girlfriend.

Aren't they a romantic bunch?

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

No he didn't. He said, "you will be remembered with honor." Then he ordered one of his minions to feed his little beast (I think the minion got eaten, which is why Kruge only had a total crew of 11, including himself, instead of the usual dozen. Of course, Sulu was just guesttimating).

Even after he lost half his crew on Enterprise, Kruge wasn't crying, just sitting with his head in his hands, probably thinking, "crap, now I gotta pay their families death benefits."

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Alexander has probably learned to simulate crying, I'd bet.
Worf didn't cry at Dax's death, he just took it out in anger and then started incanting some Klingon pseudo-lamentation.
I don't think any klingon has cried onscreen.

They need a visit from Nienna.

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

quote:
Alexander has probably learned to simulate crying

Or he really cried. He's partly human.

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

[edit]

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

Who'da thought the human "wuss gene" was so prominent in Klingon hybrids?? [Wink]

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mucus:
Hmmmm, on a tangent...an ocean of pink gooey blood would really be an amusing thing to see.

If you watch Ghostbusters 2 you can see a whole river of pink gooey stuff.
Not as amusing as an Ocean I know but it's better than a mere stream.

Regarding Kruge; I think he was actually more upset at loosing his pet (it wasn't a targ) than having to blow up his girlfriend.

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

His eyes appeared glazed over a bit when she said "understood" right after he informed her he had to destroy their ship as if he was a tad disturbed, but there was no visable tear flowage.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

That's what I remember. His eyes seemed to well up a bit.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

I'd just like to take the opportunity to point out that, to be physiologically correct, a tear duct is merely the passageway that allows tears to drain out through the nose. The tear gland is what actually produces the tears.

Obviously, Spock was every bit as lacking in his knowledge of Klingon anatomy as Dr. McCoy... [Roll Eyes]

-MMoM

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I never understood why Kruge didn't just beam her over.

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

the novel went into it in more detail.. the whole thrust of the scene was that it was a big mistake for her to have viewed the tape herself, Kruge had no choice but to kill her.. the whole duty and honor thing, blah blah blah..