I was surfing the net last week, searching for a nice picture to represent a character in an RPG (not Star Trek) and found two pictures on some site about hair.
A few days later I surfed around some more and found a few pics of an actress who played in Star Trek. When I browsed my pics directory it struck me that the two looked somewhat alike.
Imagine my surprise when I researched it some more and found out that they are indeed the same person.
Here are the two pics from the hair website. A cookie for the first person to identify her. A whole box of cookies for the persons who can mail me larger versions and/or more from the same series (if there are any). My e-mail current address is: [email protected]
[ August 25, 2003, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Saltah'na ]
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
Terry Farrell.
Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :
Nope, she played in far less episodes than Terry.
Edit: It could be just one episode, it could be more. I'm leaving that option open to give more room to guess.
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Note: From now on I use 'Michael Dracon' as nickname. You may have seen this name on various RPG related websites and/or forums like Ex Libres Nocturnis (I'll not post the link, as that may be seen as spam), that is indeed me as well.
And yes, my real name is Michael but my real surname is not Dracon.
And now let's continue guessing who the hottie is Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
She was probably just a little girl (like Nikki Cox was) when she was on trek. My guess is that she was either the little girl that had the imaginary freind come to life on TNG or said creepy imaginary freind. Do I win her phone number?
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
She is neither. And I'd like her phone number too Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I would suggest somebody edit those hotlinked images before the victimized host gets angry with Charles.
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Damn, the edit time has expired, I cannot do it... Can any of the moderators change them into normal links?
Sorry about hot-linking them, I forgot that it wasn't allowed.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I'll take a wild guess of Jennifer Lien, AKA Kes.
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
quote:Originally posted by The359: I'll take a wild guess of Jennifer Lien, AKA Kes.
*hands over a cookie*
That's correct, it's indeed her. I never expected she'd turn into such a beautiful woman.
That isn't Martha Hackett, who played Seska, by any chance, is it? Almost kinda looks like her, but I can't seem to find any pics of her w/o makeup on during a quickie search....
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It could be. If only Michael would tell us who she really is!
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
I already posted the confirmation above: It's Jennifer Lien, aka Kes.
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
AKA "Tinkerbell"
Gaaaa. Seven/Nine was much better than her. Much.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmm... it doesn't really look like her. Was this before her stint on Voyager? I think she was much more attractive on Voyager than in the pictures you posted.
I actually got to meet her once at a convention. I had done a portrait of Kes with the ship in the background and gave her a color photocopy of it. She asked me to sign it for her. I was happy.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Michael Dracon: I already posted the confirmation above: It's Jennifer Lien, aka Kes.
I know. I was (failing) to be humourous.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh, there's no way that's Jennifer Lien.
Well, OK, sometimes people don't look like themselves. But the picture linked to looks nothing at all like the pictures posted. They're different women. I'd bet...well, I'd bet a small amount of money, not being a very risk-seeking person.
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Sorry for not identifying it as humor, I've seen it several times that people were posting and didn't see a reply posted half an hour before.
She's the youngest in the on the right. Look closely at the chin area and left brow (the right one for her) on the right pic and the noze and hairline of the center pic.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
If that's her, then she has really cleaned up... Shortly after she left the show, convention photographs demonstrated that she wasn't in the best of health compared to before (assuming that matchstick-thin is overly healthy). She was in a girdle for the despicable "Fury", and if these pics are recent, then she's apparently getting back into the Hollywood groove.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Her funky eyebrows in the first pic are throwing the whole thing off. I can sort of see it with the pics next to each other... but she's at least a few years younger than in her Voyager appearances, not that she was very old during Voyager. I still think she looked her best right before she left the ship.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I still say no way, and possibly follow it up with a devastating Jose. I don't see it, at least.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I've seen other pictures of her where she looks similar to this. How the hell did you think I got it?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh, I didn't spend much time pondering how the "hell" you got it. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Also, see Kirk's advice to Spock, re: colorful metaphors.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Well I was able to figure it out since, to me, she looks like Jennifer Lien, so you seem to be a bit alone on the assumption it isn't her. The second picture really gave it away for me, not the first picture on the left.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I am alone in a disturbing number of my assumptions.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Simon's King, I am his Bishop.
The nostrils are a bit different, surely.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: I am alone in a disturbing number of my assumptions.
No you're not. Well, at least w/that pic on the left being Jennifer Lein, anyhow. Can't speak to more than that.
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Magnus: The nostrils are a bit different, surely.
Agreed. The nose is slightly different from the pic on the left when compared to the two on the right side, as is the forehead and aforementioned shape to the eyebrows. However, the shape of the eyes is considerably different between the far left and the other two. None of this means she hasn't had some plastic surgery, but the one on the left would definitely have to be pre-surgery.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It could be her, but I don't really see a lot of resemblence. The jawline, especially, looks different.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Wow... hmm... I thought she was part of the women on the planet that tried to harvest Harry's DNA.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Jennifer Lien was always VERY cute - she was even more cute with just a LITTLE more meat on her bones in "Fury".
The Voyager producers and writers did great wrongs by her - and should have done everything they could to hold on to her.
Why didn't they get rid of Chakotay before Jennifer? He was the one who was always complaining.
The season 2 episode "Persistance of Vision" was ABSOLUTELY amazing and her defeat of the Bothan and his subsequent reaction would have been a fantastic arc to follow through with.
"Before and After" was another brilliant episode - but by that time - I believe it was the beginning of the end for Kes.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah... they started giving her more to do towards the end. Episodes like the one where she thought about leaving the ship with that uberStud. She looked alot better with long hair, though I'm still confused as to how it grew out over the course of one episode.... I've always believed that Jennifer Lien showed up one morning and refused to wear those friggin' ears again.
"Fine... Kes will just have long hair from now on..."
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Hmm . . . I was firmly entrenched in the "No way, Jose" camp, but upon careful review I'm not so sure.
The jawline of the hair pic is wrong . . . JL was not jowly, but certainly didn't have a chiseled chin arcing down like lightning from a chiseled jaw.
The eyes of the hair pic are wrong. The hair pic girl has eyes whose outer points are at least level with the inner points, if not drooping altogether. JL's outer eye points are significantly higher . . . far too much to allow any sort of angle change to account for it. That having been said, it's possible that advanced eye makeup technology plus bad lighting could produce that effect, but I rather doubt it.
The little lines going from the outer nostril region downward and outward toward the mouth are wrong. The hair pic girl's little lines aren't really lines at all, but such as they exist they are on a straight shot to the corners of the mouth. JL's, on the other hand, take a more gentle course, giving room for the delightful corners of her lips, with their graceful, playful curving . . . oh, right, sorry.
Measurement doesn't work. The two left-hand pictures in Dracon's JL.jpg, despite the hairline similarities, also show a differing forehead height. Measuring from center hairline to chin (with stops at the line of the inner eye points, nose, center-of-lips (i.e. opening), and then chin), we have the following distances:
Note the ratio of hairline-eye to the total . . . in the first case, it's 65 to 149, or 0.436. In the middle pic, that's 45 to 111, or 0.405.
The ratio of eye-nose to total is also off. Hair pic girl rates 0.1677, while JL gets 0.198.
Then there's eye spacing compared to the total. In the hair girl pic, the eyes are 25px apart for a face of 149px total length. In the JL pic, the eyes are 23px apart for a face of 111px total length. That translates into 0.1677 and 0.207, respectively.
Even if the length of the face and its pieces-parts were highly variable based on angle and lighting and age and whatnot, I do not see how her eyes could've gotten so much closer together for the hair pic.
Last but not least, there's the upper nose area between the eyes. In the JL pics, if you trail your way up the nose (ew) you can see how her nose reaches its thinnest point just below her eyes, then starts to spread out again, carrying us right along to the eyebrows. The hair pic girl, on the other hand, has a nose which is not so graceful . . . hers just sort of collides with the forehead, the thinnest point being very high between the eyes, with a hasty expansion above that. I suppose that this could, somehow, be a trick of light, shadow, and make-up, but I don't really see how based on this cursory examination.
It is my opinion that the two parties are not one and the same, or that, if they are, the photographer and lighting director of the hair girl pic should be beaten.
The primary evidence is the width of the eyes . . . even plastic surgery can't change that, so far as I know.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Terrifying.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
This is getting way too weird. I picture jennifer lien finding this on the internet and hiring bodyguards.
Sorry Jen.
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
Well, what did you expect from a guy who has an anal-retentive obsession with analyzing RGB values and comparing them against those of real-world skies to determine if it's night or day on Coruscant, so that he can then put an upper limit on the speed of the hyperdrive? B)
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Coming next on ST-v-SW.net: The Jennifer Lien fallacy! Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Darth Scott: *looks at Lien pictures* "I feel a great disturbance in the phallus."
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartmaniac: Well, what did you expect from a guy who has an anal-retentive obsession with analyzing RGB values and comparing them against those of real-world skies to determine if it's night or day on Coruscant, so that he can then put an upper limit on the speed of the hyperdrive? B)
Hey, don't look at me . . . I only had to take it to such extremes because that nitwit on TrekBBS was ignoring the facts and declaring me a liar for not ignoring them as he did.
That having been said, though, the underlying concept is the same. After all, the thread had quickly devolved into pages of people saying "yes that's her" or "no it isn't", much as the ST vs. SW argument can devolve into something similar. By applying a more rigorous analysis, better conclusions than "X is true because I think so" can be drawn.
The kind of things I mentioned about the faces . . . the placement and size of parts . . . are the same thing people unconsciously consider when identifying a person. I simply elucidated those.
If you consider such a maneuver "anal-retentive" . . . well, that's your problem.
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