I was just over at boxofficemojo.com and I thought I'd have a look at the Trek films... I didn't realise that Nemesis only made 43 mil - the lowest of ALL of them - even TFF made 52 mil. The rest were about 70 mil, FC was ~90 mil and TVH was 100+ mil.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Further evidence that Trek needs a hiatus.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Further evidence Paramount were morons to release Nemesis three days before Two Towers. They'd have done better waiting a few weeks (at least in the US).
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Not to beat the now long-dead horse again, but a hiatus won't solve anything if the people who are currently helming Trek don't, uh, move on to greener pastures themselves.
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
I liked Nem, so did my wife. We saw it three times.
Each time there were less than 10 people in the theater. However, TTT was showing on 3 screens, and the line for that movie was around the building.
Everyone I've talked that's seen Nem liked it, but there are very few of them. Everyone went to see TTT, and quite a few of my friends didn't even know there was another Trek movie out!
Hmmmm....
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I liked it too. Went to see it a second time, and there were two people in the cinema - including me. I think it's safe to say I went in there with much more of an open mind than some of our membership here. It's not without its problems, but the tings that got others here so enraged - B4, the Romulans - didn't bother me too much.
Ultimately though, I am pissed off. Because John Logan read my mind and stole my idea! I knew I should never have removed my tinfoil hat to wash my hair!
Only kidding. Let me explain. . . After DS9 ended, I was idly pondering how they could make a movie continuing the story. I came up with a basic premise that would reunite the crew - I'll go into that in more detail if anyone cares - and even a reason to bring Sisko (and Odo!) back - but not Worf, I thought I'd leave him as a NextGenner again - and a baddie, and a threat, and a MacGuffin.
My idea essentially involved a rogue sect from that race who came through the wormhole thinking Bajor was their promised land (I forget their name). This bunch, including your standard nutty leader played by some biggish-name actor, get hold of some unused Dominion technology, pretty much the Trek version of a neutron bomb that would kill people but leave everything else untouched. I even had it being used against a ship - The USS Emissary, the first ship built by now-UFP member Bajor.
Sound familiar in any way at all? The reason I didn't take it any further (the middle act needed more work, but I had a beginning and an ending, and I couldn't decide whether the Emissary should be a new class or an existing one), say as a fanfic or a spec script, was because I thought it reminded me too much of the Babylon 5-Crusade linker A Call to Arms. After Vorlon, Shadow and Species 8742 planetkillers, I though SF had had enough planetkillers for a while. So I forgot about it until I read the leaked script and thought "Hmm. . ."
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
I saw Nemesis and I went into it with an open mind and, sorry to disagree with those who enjoyed it, but frankly I thought it was a paint-by-numbers action flick with about as much depth as my flatscreen monitor. The characterization was flat, and the story logic was weak weak weak. There was potential there, but they took the wrong turns at virtually every point.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I think they ended it the wrong way, with Data dying and all the sad scenes following. It felt like the whole "fellowship" of the TNG-cast had broken, and I sat there with the remnant of them.
It made me feel like I was the only one in the world left that actually cared what happened in the "Next Generation"-universe, what with the damn Scott Bakula and all.
It's like when you rise from the table to give an honest goodbye-speech to friends who won't see you again for ten years (you're going on an expedition or something) and suddenly some other guy bursts in the room and everybody's tripping to greet him, leaving you (Nemesis) to exit through the kitchen entrance, unseen and unheard. Then you slip on the sidewalk and get a bird in the face, killing you instantly (Data).
In my opinion they could just as well have waited with Nemesis until summer 2004, that'd get everyone's attention.
Oh, wait, "Episode III: JSLP", gotcha.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I liked Nemesis when I first went to watch. Since, I've gotten the DVD, I've had a chance to watch it and think about it. A lot of the stuff in the movie I would have done differently (whether it was have been an improvement or make it worse we'll never know).
I agree with Nim, though. I know that this is the final Next Generation movie, but I do feel kind of dissatisfied with how the characters broke up and left. I'm not sure how this could have been done differently. The ending of The Wrath of Khan was good, and many elements of Nemesis tried to echo it but failed (in particular because Khan only dealt with the loss of one character while Nemesis had to deal with a loss and everyone else jetting off somewhere new).
As for the poor performance at the box office: who really knows? I think the marketing campaign for it was good enough; I saw the ads all the freakin' time. While it's easy to say that The Two Towers took a lot of the attention away from Nemesis, I'm not totally convinced that that is the main (or even really the only) reason for the poor showing.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The main reason is timing. Released too close to The Two Towers, either before or after that movie. And during the growing staleness of Trek. Within the past year, there really no was great time to release the movie keeping in mind of trying to get the biggest audience as possible. A few months later would have been The Matrix Reloaded (even though it was heavily criticized). The summer had T3. A few months after there was The Matrix Revolutions (also heavily criticized). After that was Master and Commander and recently The Cat in the Hat and Elf(though really catering to children) and finally Cold Mountain.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Nemesis had about as much marketing as First Contact, IMHO, so that isn't the answer.
My take? Simple fan apathy. Let's face it - the only people who are going to see a Star Trek movie are fans of Star Trek and those fans' husbands, wives, boyfriends or girlfriends (mostly wives & girlfriends). So when you have quite a few fans who were pissed-off and apathetic even before this movie came out, its not hard to determine what went wrong.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
And the fact that Patrick Stewart chucked a hissy-fit that the fans didn't like it was silly. It's only because he and Spiner stuck their whole fists into the writing 'pie'.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Patrick Stewart chucked a hissy-fit? I don't remember hearing about that.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Nemesis had about as much marketing as First Contact, IMHO, so that isn't the answer.
BUt First Contact didint show us EVERY cool moment of the movie either: I recall that the movie trailer foe FC didint even show the Enterprise E: just stock footage of the D blowing up from Generations and all the Borg scenes were from Picard's little "rollercoaseter" nightmare.
Nemesis' commercials nad trailers showed the Ennterpris ramming the Scimitar AND Data's jump through space: the two moments that should have defined the movie were blown months before we ever saw the film. Dumb marketing.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Pitting sub-standard Science Fiction fare like the Nemesis against, say, fan-favorite populist pieces like the Matrices and the Terminator and the Rings of Yore films, would result in a large percent of available filmgoermoney being diverted to help those causes.
"After that was Master and Commander and recently The Cat in the Hat and Elf(though really catering to children) and finally Cold Mountain."
Pitting sub-standard Science Fiction fare like the Nemesis against wildy genre divergent films like the sub-standard Master and Commander and Elf, and perhaps against critical ivory-tower snooze fest Cold Mountain would probably not have affected moviegoerrevenuemoneys for Nemesis all that much, the three beforementioned films being a triumverate of movie money making mastery.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
If you sound any more like the Riddler from the 50's Batama TV show, I may have to do you bodily harm for your own sake.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
50s?
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Batama TV show,
Who the hell is "Batama?"
Is it on DVD?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Styrofoaman:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Batama TV show,
Who the hell is "Batama?"
Is it on DVD?
A Japanese Batman??
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: Patrick Stewart chucked a hissy-fit? I don't remember hearing about that.
Yeah he had a number of comments about Nemesis and that he couldn't understand why nobody liked/went and saw the movie. He said it was great yadda yadda and that people were stupid (not his words) for not seeing it/liking it and threatening that it was the last one he'd do. (Until he needs the cash - I'm sure).
Although I read once - due to the way the residuals were set up for the Next Gen and DS9 series none of those actors have to act ever again. Cirroc Lofton must be rolling in it.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Thanks, Andrew. I can't believe that this is the first I'm hearing about that.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
due to the way the residuals were set up for the Next Gen and DS9 series none of those actors have to act ever again.
For some of them, I would have to reply: "Again?"
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I guess that would explain why you see so little of these people afterwards. It can't be that difficult to find work. . .
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR:
quote:Originally posted by Styrofoaman:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Batama TV show,
Who the hell is "Batama?"
Is it on DVD?
A Japanese Batman??
"Batama" is how you spell "Batman" after 13 hours of work and a codine pill.
Posted by Capped in Mic (Member # 709) on :
yeh tat haps 2 me when i take lots of k and then i cant typet eh stuf fi' m try int say
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Codine am freind. Codine make pain go.
Posted by Capped in Mic (Member # 709) on :
hmm.. Nemesis mightve done better if there were narcotics available at the door
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Codeine". Just so you know.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, Tylenol 3 by perscription to be exact, but thanks.
Posted by Capped in Mic (Member # 709) on :
correct spellings: "Tylenol"
"prescription"
"thx"
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Shut up abouaut my spellin.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Were you the one who posted about the Cambridge study of how badly we can spell and still get our points across...?
Seriously, Nemesis flopped because Nemesis sucked and they released it against two non-sucky strong competitors. I'm embarassed to see Patrick and Brent were involved in the story process. I have said several times that my scriptwriting teacher told us to not just bitch about it if we didn't like a movie -- we should do a rewrite as intellectual exercise. Try and do better. And with Nemesis, I did. In three minutes I had a better story than what was filmed. To think they were proud of the shooting script makes me wince. Is this due to the corrupting influence of B&B? Has Gene been dead and gone so long that they've forgotten what their characters were about? Are they so disconnected from the Trek universe to not know when something is inconsistent with the "feel" they established with their seven-year TV series?
*sigh*
--Jonah
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: Has Gene been dead and gone so long that they've forgotten what their characters were about?
Considering what the characters were like during "Farpoint" and season 1, I should bloody well hope so.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Season 1 was a little painful, yes. Season 2 I loved most of. Even "The Child", if I ignore the A story and focus on the far more compelling B story about Wes. *heh*
But the rest of the series did a pretty good job of establishing who those characters were, and those definitions started going out the window as the movies dragged on. There was no character evolution, as such. Just Bizzaro versions of formerly familiar characters.
--Jonah
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Agreed - I mean watch seasons 3-6 and All Good Things... THAT is classic Trek and TV.
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
All the time I sat watching Nemesis I kept thinking "Hellraiser meets Star Trek". B4 was a worthless plot twist as were the dune buggy scenes. Yes, I realize in exploration you are going to need a means of transportation but, heck, I would've rather seen them jetting around in Spock's gravity boots than that homage to Xtreme sports.
The marketing was terrible too. As was said earlier, you had seen most of the good stuff in the trailers. I had NO sense of danger or anticipation at the ending. It just didn't play well. This movie should have been released down a wormhole. It did nothing for Trek or any of the characters. It was billed as "A generation's final journey" but the ending was "And moving right along". So Data's dead, sorta, they could always find his parts and put him back together and Riker's getting his own ship. So what is everyone else doing the rest of their lives?
Trek needs an Insurrection to wipe out the First Contact with the ultimate Trek Nemesis....Berman/Braga
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Oh, for fuck's sake. Give it a year and Trek fans will be blaming them for Sept 11.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Agreed - I mean watch seasons 3-6 and All Good Things... THAT is classic Trek and TV.
Yup. And it had almost nothing to do with Gene Roddenberry at all, and a fair amount to do with Rick Berman.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
More Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor. Rick Berman is a perfect TV mid-level executive producer. He's gotten to be where he is by being the perfect chameleon. He adopts the point of view of whoever he's talking to, so they think they've got a friend and ally. He doesn't have his own notions, so much as he supports those of his colleagues. Early TNG was Gene. Later it was Mike, then Jeri. His presence was hardly felt on DS9 after the first season or two, as he was gearing up to be Jeri's echo on Voyager. And all the latter-day Voyager stuff and Enterprise has been 98% Brannon.
--Jonah
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Oh, for fuck's sake. Give it a year and Trek fans will be blaming them for Sept 11.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Agreed - I mean watch seasons 3-6 and All Good Things... THAT is classic Trek and TV.
Yup. And it had almost nothing to do with Gene Roddenberry at all, and a fair amount to do with Rick Berman.
Yes, but like the One Ring the power that he holds has twisted him over the years - those initial years he was fine. Berman or should I call him Baegol... turned into Bollum (ah is that why Porthos is a Beagle - a subtle reference?) Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm perfectly willing to give Pillar his dues. He wrote some great stuff. He also wrote Insurrection, but even the best of us can slip up. Even Taylor wrote some good stuff, although she mixed that in with an awful lot of "human interest" crap. And is that the same Pillar and Taylor who are credited with co-creating Voyager?
I really dislike the general attitude though of "There's something bad in Trek, blame Berman! There's something good, well, it's not him, give the credit to someone else!"
And do you seriously think that Roddenberry has much to do with TNG beyond the first season? Seriously?
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Where does Majel fit into all of this? Has the house of Roddenberry been entirely excluded from the fate of trek?
Posted by kiltedbear (Member # 1138) on :
I think one of the major factors in Nemesis's lukewarm box office returns was the scheduling. Considering how well the first LOTR film did business-wise, you gotta wonder what Berman and the rest of TPTB at Paramount were smoking when they decided to put Nemesis up against TTT.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I doubt that Berman had anything to do with the scheduling at all.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Sure, Nemesis opened againat strong competition, but don't forget that TFF opened against BATMAN, and it still made more money that Nemesis. Hell, if you adjust ticket prices for inflation Nemesis sold a LOT fewer seats than TFF.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Maybe. Although I'd tend to think that LOTR would beat Batman in a straightforward fight for seats.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Yup. He wouldn't stand a chance against the Dark Lord's army of Orcs.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
He could just plough through them in the Batmobile...
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Maybe. Although I'd tend to think that LOTR would beat Batman in a straightforward fight for seats.
Well, not if you adjust for inflation...
Check out his table, and notice that when adjusted for inflation the first two LOTR films ranked 48th and 59th, while Batman is at 44. So, TFF was up against a film of greater box office calibur and it still did better than Nemesis.
As always, no Star Trek is even on the top list...adjusted or unadjusted.
But it IS interesting to note that Leonard Nimoy's Three Men and a baby is there at 110... just a few million dollars shy of Toy Story.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
We're talking about 15 years ago. Batman was a phenomenon at the time, a hit film backed with massive merchandising profits. Now we're all blas� about such things. We know long in advance when films are coming out, and get to see a lot more about it beforehand as well, all thanks to the internet. I didn't even know there was a new Batman film coming out until Prince's theme song went into the charts. It was like that in those days. I remember not even knowing much about Independence Day until it was released in the States and had a massive July 4th opening weekend, and that was in 1996. Perhaps that's how most people go to the cinema, NOT having read all about it on the Web beforehand. But ever since the bootlegged trailer for Phantom Menace was released on the net, note how many trailers get released on the web often even before they're in cinemas? We're going to see more and more films having advance word-of-mouth established over the 'net before they hit the screens. . .
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Yeah, I don't think inflation is the only thing you should adjust for when you analyze the relative success of movies that are spaced two decades apart. The internet As We Know It is too big a medium now to cite just the proceeds and then draw all your conclusions from them, anyway.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
An opinion was stated that TFF faced as strong box office competions as Nemesis. I found data that indicates otherwise. Maybe everyone here doesn't remember, but when Batman came out it was HUGE. Massive marketing campaign. Bat logos everywhere. Even the media was commenting on how heavily hyped the film was. It was at least a media event on the scale of The Two Towers, if not more.
Furthermore, Batman wasn't the only blockbuster in theaters in the summer of 1989. TFF opened sandwiched between Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and Batman, and I believe even Honey I Shrunk the Kids opened around the same time as Batman. That being the case, one could argue that TFF was up against far tougher competition than Nemesis, and still made more money.
As to the whole Internet effect on box-office, I'd like a more concise argument as to how much effect it might have and why. I'd wager that the majority of the movegoing public isn't going to the web for information about films. They're still seeing trailers in theaters and commercials on TV as the main hype for films. In fact, I'd argue it's hardcore fanboys who get pirate scripts and Ain't It Cool news reports, not the bulk of the population.
That said, it's possible and likely that said types represent more of the average audience for Star Trek films that for many others. But I still don't think that represents the bulk of the potential audience.
I'd say it's fair to assume the following factors causes Nemesis to tank: a) Star Trek's been overdone b) It was a weak film and word of mouth slowed the returns c) Box office competition d) Bad advertising campaign that turned off many in the Trek audience and didn't attact the broader audience the film was clearly targeted to reach
c being a factor, but not the sole factor.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
e) Nemesis followed a (somewhat) lackluster Trek film while TFF followed one of the better ones.
Expectations were higher for TFF prahaps?
Not that TFF was a better film by any stretch. Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
What I had read previous to the release of "Nemesis" was that they had created a villain and a situation that threatened the entire Federation/universe. What came out was, again, Hellraiser/Tim Burton/Trek. Despite all the supposed "Threat" the Scimitar held, it was taken down by a single starship. So, the Feds had a "Fleet" waiting. Big Deal. And with a galaxy wide war weighing in the balance the Roms send TWO BB's to "Help"? I think that the general Trek audience that saw it first gave it the "Ehhhh" review and didn't go back for the second viewing of the Corpse.
How many people saw the other films two or three times? That counts on the boxoffice tally. Nem just didn't have the ummph to pull people back again.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
MAIN SCREEN TURN OFF!! Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Nemesis followed a (somewhat) lackluster Trek film while TFF followed one of the better ones."
Not only that, but it hit the theatres in Trek's heyday, hot on the heels of the Big Three and just as TNG was really taking off, so while TFF may have done comparatively better than Nemesis (heavy competition or not), its revenues alone are still not an accurate measure of its success.
[ January 10, 2004, 06:02 AM: Message edited by: Cartman ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Does anyone else find it suspicious that the plot of Nemesis was floating around as the supposed plot for Trek 9?
I remember reading on Trekweb's Insurrection page when it was first put up that there were rumours of a 1. Romulan movie and 2. A Clone of Picard was involved.
Why didn't they ever do a Q movie? I remember when Generations came out that the next movie (8) was always going to be a Borg movie and that that would be followed by a Q movie.
I liked the comments brought up here when "Q2" came out that they should do a Q movie... and that he should go back to his more nasty, sadistic nature that he displayed in the earlier seasons of TNG - rather than the comical Q that we got in Voyager.
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
According to the numbers Star Trek sucks ass and you should stop liking it even if you are a long-time fan.
Gimme a break, why do we care about the amount of freaking money it made?!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I would go see Tim Burton's Star Trek if he made it right after Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Styrofoaman: Gimme a break, why do we care about the amount of freaking money it made?!
My heart agrees completely, but I also know taht poor sales equals less or no Trek or Trek on a greatly reduced budget. Another film with sales as poor as Nemesis and we'll be reduced to a Gorn throwing a styrofoam rock at Picard. Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Another film with sales as poor as Nemesis and we'll be reduced to a Gorn throwing a styrofoam rock at Picard.
Maybe that's just what Trek needs. A buff starship captain throwing flimsy props are inflexible customs is what endeared many fans to it in the first place. I say we return to those roots to rebuild the fan base and make it endearing again.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Sure! Mabye Kevin Sorbo will be available...
Besides, we Flarites would loooove to see an enemy starship represented as a spinning ball of light streaking by the viewscreen again. That'd go over real well. Imagine the descriptions in the Starship threads. "This week we get to see a whole new spinning ball of light: green! It must be a Romulan ship..."
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
As much as I hate to agree with Jason, er, I do sorta agree with him:
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: A buff starship captain throwing flimsy props are inflexible customs is what endeared many fans to it in the first place. I say we return to those roots to rebuild the fan base and make it endearing again.
Actually, a series that wrote interesting and thought provoking episodes that challanged several viewpoints of the day while still containing a hearty dose of action and adventure is what attracted many fans to it in the first place.
OR
Actually, a balding European captain who worked his way out of every situation with inspiring speeches while his android officer did something amusing is what attracted many people to the franchise in the first place.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Do I have to include a smiley in my posts for y'all to understand when I'm making a funny? 'Cause having to add them would reduce my posting efficiency to 84.7%.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: ...I also know taht poor sales equals less or no Trek or Trek on a greatly reduced budget. Another film with sales as poor as Nemesis and we'll be reduced to a Gorn throwing a styrofoam rock at Picard.
I'd pay to see that! Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Well, I did think it was a joke. But it's also not far off an actual point that someone would make. Not quite in those terms, but more like:
"Well, a low budget series with cheesy special effects managed to endear fans to it. Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to return to that."
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
No, no not a series - just picard and a gorn and a styrofoam rock! Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Picard would proceed to go on and on about something or other and the Gorn would commit suicide-by-styrofoam-rock. It would suck and make no money.
And while there's a certain charm to suggestions about going back to bad effects, you can't be serious. Part of the bitch-fests about ST5 is that the effects sucked as much as TOS effects. (Having acquired the DVD for some unknown reason and thus pulled my usual frame-by-frame activity on it, I can vouch for this.)
I think a lot of the fault of Nemesis was the marketing. Watching the Star Trek V commercials, you'll note that they don't really show you anything of import. Nemesis ads, meanwhile, made the film superfluous . . . you pretty much got the whole tale, and even the better effects moments.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The Gorn would stuff that mictophone sized communicator into Picard's gob just to get a little quiet.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: "Well, a low budget series with cheesy special effects managed to endear fans to it. Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to return to that."
Now now, don't be so dismissive. It worked for Babylon 5, so just think of the wonders it could do for Trek. B)
*ducks*
[ January 12, 2004, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: Cartman ]
Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: I would go see Tim Burton's Star Trek if he made it right after Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
That would be the one where they travel to Betelgeuse.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Burton on Trek.....hmmm....mabye with a nice Wynona Ryder yeoman....
mmmmmm....Wynona.
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
UGH.... The sure sign that a show is a bomb....
WIENIE RIDER
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Well, Nemesis has reached a new low.
Walmart just marked the DVD down from like $19.99US to under $10US...
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
Soon they'll be packaged with your complimentary AOL disk.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Hey, I have to check a Walmart in Germany... ;-)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You could always order it from Play. Only �7.99. I don't think it's any different to the US version, but I'm not sure.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
It doesn't have a German audio track!
And even though I prefer to watch films in the original language, I often have friends around who don't want to watch a film in any other language than German.
So there goes that option. And anyway, Paramount is currently releasing all the Star Trek films in the Special Edition format. That's why the old versions sans bonus material are sold at giveaway prices. I agree, Nemesis already has some nice extra features, but I still guess it will get the S.E. treatment nonetheless.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"I often have friends around who don't want to watch a film in any other language than German."
Tie them to a chair and tape their eyelids to the top of their heads, then subject them to Spock's Brain and repeat that episode until they are cured. B)
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
They wouldn't be cured as they wouldn't understand what is said in the episode. (And I haven't got THAT episode on VHS. let alone DVD... )
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: "I often have friends around who don't want to watch a film in any other language than German."
Tie them to a chair and tape their eyelids to the top of their heads, then subject them to Spock's Brain and repeat that episode until they are cured. B)
You've watched "A Clockwork Orange" too many times my Droogie. Now crank up the Ludwig Van! Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"Holy triplets, Beethoven, he's getting away with the original score!"
"Quick, young Wolfgang, to the Ludwig Van! We'll mute their trumpets once and for all!"
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Should I point out that Mozart came before Beethoven?
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Don't bother. It's not worth the effort.
And while you're in Munich, visit Colin Mozart's "Rodent Extermination Boutique"! Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Watched it? A Clockwork Orange is my LIFE, man. Say after me: there is NO free will. B)
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
"Time to do a li'l Ultraviolence"
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Got some milk-plus for me, sir?
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
Vitamin D...straight from a D
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Should I point out that Mozart came before Beethoven?
I know. But at their respective peaks, Mozart was the younger. Plus, Batman didn't drive around in the Robinmobile, did he?
Now stop talking and go and make me tea.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, instead of Mozart, you could have used Wagner or something.
Ha! I win! You make me tea! And then drink it yourself, because I don't drink tea. And it would be cold by the time it reached me, anyway.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I couldn't remember Wagner's first name.
And not drinking tea is just another one of the many, many things wrong with you. It is full of flavanoids! I assume they are good.
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
Richard.
Flavanoids? Android flavorings?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Antioxidants, I believe. Also found in dark chocolate.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Interesting. Because I'm not too much a fan of chocolate, either. Especially the dark variety.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Also found in dark chocolate."
And apples. Yet another kind of food that Timmy will not eat.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
So, that's, what, two now?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, I eat apples, so I guess that takes out that theory.
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
I thought you just sucked the life out of inhabited planets....like "GALACTUS"
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I thought you just maintained the database for New York's vampires and they brought you whatever you ike to eat.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: I couldn't remember Wagner's first name.
Richard? Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Echo?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Wagner's first name was Richard.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
A better first name than Echo, certainly.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Am I the only one who can see WizArtist's post at the top of the page, then?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Yes, but only because you're blocking the view for the rest of us.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Bending the light around him would be a better way to put it.
I shall now, however, yield the floor to Liam to crack any further jokes at Tim's expense, lest I step on a certain someone's toes again. B)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Don't worry. I think Tim has already cracked the floor.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
LOL Liam!
Indeed Richard is better than echo - but echo has it's charms... I mean it once was part of a music group! Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Yes, but only because you're blocking the view for the rest of us.
Someday PsyLiam is going to have one of those drummer rimshots play when someone reads his posts.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Well, coming lately to this thread I can tell you that apathy was the reason *I* didn't see Nemesis in theatres.
If someone had told me back in 1993 that someday I wouldn't BOTHER to see a Trek film...
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