About a month ago, I lent a former co-worker $100 so he could cover his bills. I made a deal: instead of paying me back the $100, he could just get me a copy of Star Trek TOS Season 1 on DVD. Well, it arrived Monday.
When it arrived, I popped it in the DVD player on my Dell and started watching episodes as I continued the long and boring process of sorting my Lego collection (I estimate I'll be done by the time I'm 50).
Anyway, the first episode I watched was "Conscience of the King", then "Shore Leave", then "Court Martial", then "The Corbomite Manuever" at which point I was like, "Where the hell is Scotty?" Later, I watched "Charlie X", "Mudd's Women", "What Are Little Girls Made Of", (then I went to sleep, then to work in the morning, then to my parent's house for dinner and to help them move furniture and paint, I'm cheap labor), tonight I've watched "Miri", This Side of Paradise", and now I'm on "Return of the Archons."
I'm really surprised by how LITTLE I'm seeing of Scotty. Hell, of the episodes I've seen, he's barely - if at all - in them! Sulu's not much better, and Uhura was wearing a gold uniform in like two or three episodes (I remember seeing her in a gold uniform, but I figured it was just a one episode gaffe). Okay, anyway ...
... I'm puzzled as to why Kirk sent Riley to Engineering. Kirk beams back to the Enterprise after his friend's murder, and checks the status of the survivors of the massacre, discovering that he and Riley are the only two left (and what a coincidence that of nine total survivors, two are on the same ship). Anyway, Kirk "demotes" Riley from communications to engineering. Why? This is never really explained. Did Kirk want to put Riley in an isolated section of the ship to use him as bait? Or did he want Riley in an isolated section of the ship to keep him away from Kodos?
PS - I thought this was a really good episode. Kodos' bit at the end, where he said that it was a matter of timing which turned him into the villain, that if the rescue party had arrived later, his actions might have been viewed as neccessary, and he as a leader who made tough decisions under fire. Even with that as consolation, he was still clearly haunted by his actions, and seemed relieved that with Kirk's discovery, he would face responsibility for his actions.
So, anyway, why did Kirk send Riley down to Engineering? It was never really explained.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I got a Lego Star Destroyer for my birthday.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I hate you.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, it was just a small one. Not the big bugger. I sat in bed and put it together. Then we went and climbed a volcano and had a picnic at the top.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I don't hate you as much.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You should have tossed the Lego S.D. into that volcano.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
But one of the cats gave it to me!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
My (old style and suddenly not cool at all) copy of this episode is elsewhere, and it has been awhile since I've watched it, but don't McCoy and Kirk have a brief conversation about this very thing?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Your cats give you Lego? My cats are SO not getting fed tonight.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Yup. Kate just went overboard on the present-buying. I got a CD from Dizzy, Lego from Frazzle. . . and another CD from Bump.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
My cat got me Megaman X when I was 13.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Um...off topic????
NEVER! Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
There were ten Mega...men? ...mans? Whatever?
Posted by aneurysm (Member # 906) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: There were ten Mega...men? ...mans? Whatever?
At least ten.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I'll just pretend we're still on topic.
You have to remember that Kirk, Spock and Bones were the only main characters. The rest were Mayweathers.
As to Riley's transfer 'down to Engineering', the best reason I can think of is to isolate him and make him bait for the Karidians. This episode had the idea that Engineering was largely automated and one of the least respectful jobs on the ship.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Poor Scotty.
So, if Riley was to be isolated, wouldn't he be under watch by someone, so that if the Karidians did go after him, someone would know about it? The episode leaves the impression that the only reason Riley survived was that Uhura and the guys on the rec-dec heard him going "gaaaah ... gaaaaah" and called for McCoy. Also, if Riley was being watched (by Kirk, or security), wouldn't security have intercepted Karidian's daughter as she left?
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
mmm.. coffee flavored milk..
Posted by F.G. (Member # 968) on :
My best count over the years of character absences, I of course could be totally wrong, but at one time I had a pretty accurate list so at least or possibly at most:
Season 1 (29 eps, not counting "The Cage" and counting "Menagerie" as two): - No Sulu in 11 of 29 - No Scotty in 10 of 29 - No Uhura in 3 of 28 (minus WNMHGB) - No McCoy in 3 of 28 (minus WNMHGB) - Chapel is seen in 3 of 29 - Rand is seen in 8 of 29 - Mr. Leslie is seen in at least 11 of 29 - Mr. Kyle is seen in at least 4 of 29
Season 2 (26 eps): - No Sulu in 9 of 26 - No Chekov in 4 of 26 - No Uhura in 3 of 26 - No Scott in 3 of 26 - Chapel is seen in 10 of 26 - Lt. Kyle is seen in at least 9 of 26
Season 3 (24 eps): - No Chekov in 8 of 24 - No Sulu in 5 of 24 - No Uhura in 5 of 24 - Scott appears to have been in all episodes. - Chapel is seen in 12 of 24
Most of this list, of course was collected without use of references so there may be a number of oversites. Nevertheless there's the ballpark figures.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Kyle doesn't appear in season 3 at all?
And what about Galloway? Wasn't he in a few episodes?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, the actor was, if that's who I think it is.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
Galloway played a couple of characters, since he was called a few different names and died once.
Same with Leslie. there's an awesome page that keeps track of his appearances, but i can't find the link. it was a members.aol.com page.
Posted by F.G. (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Kyle doesn't appear in season 3 at all?
And what about Galloway? Wasn't he in a few episodes?
Kyle was in at least 1 episode (Lights of Zetar) in season 3, but I havent seen that season as much as the first 2 to know for sure.
As for Lt. Galloway: David L. Ross Lt. Galloway - Turnabout Intruder (1969) Lt. Johnson - Day of the Dove (1968) Lt. Galloway - The Omega Glory (1968) Guard - The Trouble With Tribbles (1967) Lt. Galloway - The City on the Edge of Forever (1967) Lt. Galloway - A Taste of Armageddon (1967) Guard - The Return of the Archons (1967) Transporter Chief - The Galileo Seven (1967) Lt. Galloway - Miri (1966) Guard (uncredited) - Dagger of the Mind (1966)
I seriously overlooked a number of 'Leslie' (and 'Connors' in 2 eps) apppearances..this is much more accurate:
Season 1 - 22 appearances (of those: 2 as 'Connors', 1 as 'Eminar Guard') Season 2 - 17 appearances Season 3 - 4 appearances So thats 43 total.
If you are really interested...and this was quite a reach to find but if you go to: http://www.eddiepaskey.com/
There you can find the following facts:
quote:Eddie Paskey rarely had anything to say, but as Lt. Leslie he appeared in roughly half of all the original series episodes. If you don't know who he is, watch the episode "This Side of Paradise." He's the guy waiting to transport down to the planet who commits mutiny in front of Captain Kirk. Eddie had a great career on the Enterprise. He's been seen wearing a gold, blue, and red shirt. He died and came back to life in the same episode (Obsession). He's been Spock pinched. He's been the navigator and is one of only a handful of people to ever sit in the con. He even played "Mr. Connors", one of McCoy's medical assistants!
But, how did he get the name "Lt. Leslie"? This was a result of his friendship with William Shatner. During a scene in which Eddie was at the helm, Bill felt that he should have a name since he was to issue a command to Eddie. Thus, he became "Mr. Leslie" named after Shatner's oldest Daughter, Leslie!
and
quote: In "Where No Man Has Gone Before", he was a background actor, playing a guard. When the series sold, he began appearing regularly. This led to him being used in actual scenes, as a stand-in for William Shatner during scene set-ups, and often as a stand-in for Shatner in long shots.
He can be seen in nearly every episode from the first two seasons as well as a few from the third. He played many scenes as a "red shirt", usually the first to die when exploring a planet. He is the only one though, to have died in one episode ("Obsession") and returned in the next! This was due to to the fact that a scene from the script that was never shot indicated that the victims were brought back to life!
It was during the third year of the series that Eddie decided it was time to retire from Star Trek. He had been having cluster headaches that were further aggravated by the set lighting. In a scene in which he received a "Spock pinch" and was thrown against a railing, he felt his back go out. At this point, Eddie knew he could no longer handle the job's activities.
There is also a list but Im not sure it is as complete as my own...but then again, i wasnt there, so who knows.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I should point out that Galloway dies in "The Omega Glory", but is still in "Turnabout Intruder". At least that explains why no-one was too upset when a red-shirt died in the original series...they'd just assume that bad continuity would bring them back to life at a later point.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, perhaps neither air date nor production date produce the proper viewing order.
(On edit: "nor" always seems stuck-up to me.)
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I just watched "The Naked Time" ...
Two things. The crewman who first contracts the disease, and then kills himself, has only the dotted-band rank insignia. Could this be a lieutenant (jg) marker?
Second: at the end of the episode, when the camera pans up, if you look to the left, you'll see that the crew pulled away the bridge walkway, and you can see the wood structure underneath the set.
I didn't notice either of these bits before, but I'm sure you all have and will now ridicule me. Asses.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"On edit: 'nor' always seems stuck-up to me."
Well, there's always "xor"...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Or Xon.
Wasn't Kyle on the Reliant? or was that Leslie?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
It was meant to be Kyle, I believe. He's even credited by name I think.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Not just credited. He actually says in the film "Captain Terrel, this is Commander Kyle, please respond...." One thing I thought was cool about this cameo was that he had a little beard, nice continuity with the animated episode "Beyond the Farthest Star," in which Kyle sported a moustache.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
He probably had a beard because he had a beard. And they probably gave him a moustache because it'd decrease the animated character's resemblance to the actor and it would therefore be cheaper.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Tsk. It's a well known fact that when a man grows a moustache, he will then inevitably grow a beard.
Fact of life, in fact (wit!)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, unless he's a cop.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Did they leave "sarcasm" out of your dictionary, or what?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Well, unless he's a cop.
Or a gay porn actor.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
ok, so a moustache is eventually followed by a beard, but a beard doesn't necessarily have to evolve from a moustache, as i went from goatee to chinstrap.
BUT HITLER NEVER GOT PAST HIS MOUSTACHE DID HE
The 1701 was awfully deficient in LTJGs. Besides Tormolen, we must assume that all LTJG redshirts were killed offscreen or assigned to areas of the ship we never saw (maybe wearing rank-insignia-less jumpsuits)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Did they leave 'sarcasm' out of your dictionary, or what?"
No. Yours?
Posted by F.G. (Member # 968) on :
I have no faith in the wrist-band insignia...Lt. Marla McGivers (Khans bitch) was surely a Lieutenant, as was mentioned a dozen times, but she wore a stripless.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Woulda been nice to see her strapless. Brrow!
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
The same applied for Charlene Masters in "Alternative Factor" -- both the strapless thing and the fact that she was a lieutenant but wore no Lt. rank insignia.
The Franz Joseph tech manual posits that the women's rank as ensign might be derived from the shape of her collar -- bizarre!
Also, Lt. Harold in "Arena" wears no Lt. rank insignia -- and wears a shiny beige tunic with a black collar, and one of the Mirror Universe McCoy's decorations sideways as a uniform patch.
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