Sorry. I just though the name was kinda funny, that's all. 8)
So what's it gonna be? A re-imagining? A step into the future? Or just a way for him to sneak his Romulan War prequel in under the radar?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Continuing to say that Nemesis was a good movie despite what fans thought will never make that statement true.
I don't know exactly what's meant by reimagining. How much reimagining can you do with something that's got so much established backstory. I'm not saying that there aren't good, interesting stories to tell within the Star Trek... err... realm. But if they go and change things too much, it won't really be Star Trek anymore.
It's like how they "reimagined" Batman to make the '60s TV show. Was it good? In a way. But it bore no resemblance to the Batman from the comics.
I think there needs to be some connection to other events whether the movie focuses on established characters or not. We can't just have a completely random movie that tries to be a new Star Trek in an hour and 50 minutes.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
He may even want to have the 11th movie without any of the establised characters. While this is actually not a bad idea in itself, this would be harder to achieve. What I am saying is that within a 90 to 120 minute movie, you have to establish the history of the characters, the ship and the villian (if any).
I support the idea of not using the cast from just one season, but slected cast members from each of the three series for a 24th century film. Maybe start off with the Titan, have the E-E, DS9, and Voyager make an appearence. This way you have the fans of all three series going to see their favorite characters again.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Uh...with EE, Voyager and DS9 all making an appearance, you get a biiig clip show- not a movie.
Shades of Gray on the big screen is a bad idea.
It would be better to do a Titan series with an almost all-new cast.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
I feel if Mr. Berman had put as much energy as he is doing into this film over into Enteprise the show may have lasted. I pray there is no more Trek for a long while and certainly no Berman-trek at that. He has been a disaster for the franchise in not recognizing a good quality from a mediocre product.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I'm in agree with Aban. Except for the part about Nemesis, which I found to be an okay film. I know I'm in the minority on that one, though.
As far as a Titan series or movie goes, I give that idea a big "meh". I can't quite put my finger on it (or put it into words), but there's something about Riker that makes him a less interesting person to watch in action than the likes of Picard, Kirk, or Sisko. It's probably the same reason that I doubt a Sulu series or movie would work very well, also.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
*brushes dust off his CSI: Risa treatment*
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
They're bringing in one of the people responsible for the "Inspector Gadget" movie? Isn't one good idea ruined enough for one lifetime?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Now, now. The only two bad things about the Inspector Gadget movie were the portrayal of Dr. Claw and the Gadgetmobile. And the Gadgetmobile bothered me more.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
That and the fact that the only connections it had to the TV show were the character names and the fact that the guy had gadgets in his body.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Was there much else to the series?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
So, among the crazy ass rumors from AICN some time ago, we now know that at least the rumor about Kerner is true.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote: "You could see it with the performance of the last film, which was a wonderful movie." -Berman
I agree with Aban, how many times is this guy gonna try and make people belive that Nemesis was a good movie and it was "the fans'" fault for it not doing well.
Maybe it had a little something to do with a little movie known as "The Lord of the Rings" which it was opening a week before!?!
Moron.
The movie too was pretty craptacular. Not really a "rewatchable" movie - and most of TNG is rewatchable.
Stewart and Spiner should not have been allowed the POWER they were given. Both admitted they never watched the bloody show to begin with!
The movie had too many fingers in it's pie.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
No, it had zero to do with Lord of the Rings.
Well, I mean, OK, maybe in terms of box office; but mostly it was because Nemesis managed to be the least Star Trek Star Trek movie. I think. I am sure I have ranted and rambled about this at length elsewhere.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Or, I don't know. That is why it was bad. I imagine there are a host of reasons why it underperformed.
I'm also a little skeptical about people who are not movie producers who claim to have all the movie producing answers, but since I often indulge in such, uh, whimsy, myself, I am not one to judge.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Gawd, Sol - you're definatly at the wrong place to complain about such things, infact - i'd just log off the internet right now!
Remember what Homer said about the Internet, "Homer: The information superhighway showed the average person what some nerd thinks about Star Trek.
Or Bart for that matter:
"Milhouse: We gotta spread this stuff around. Let's put it on the Internet! Bart: No! We have to reach people whose opinions actually matter!"
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh, OK?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Really, the problem with Nemesis (all the TNG movies except Insurrection really) is that they went more for a "big hollywood treatment" instead of starting with a story that would have worked as part of the TNG series but would need a movie budget to pull off.
First Contact was a great movie but Generations and Nemesis really are not.
I dont think there was ever a serious thought given to a Titan movie or series- they would have done more with Riker in Nemesis if there was.
..and really, they should have done more with Riker: with Frakes not directing, they missed a last chance to get Riker out from Picard's shadow.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
yah ok. (it was a lighthearted post Sol).
Generations was OK, probably better than Insurrection - or maybe on par.
First Contact Generations Insurrection Nemesis
Maybe one-word titles weren't the go?
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Ignoring the Sing along with Data, Klingon acne and floating androids, I liked Insurrection best of the TNG era movies...
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
And the god-awful ship battle with E-E going in 50mph straight forward, and two crustacean warships pursuing in 50mph. Firing and returning fire, you know, whenever they feel like it.
Enterprise vs Reliant was two times better.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I always thought the ship battle was probably edited to death: it seems really choppy.
Probably because we never see what's going on aboard the Son'A battleships.
It's odd that you mention the speed thing: most of the gripes I hear abot the NX-01 is that it's "too agile" and "doesn't move like a capital ship"...fans seem to want lumberinging STII-ish space battles with exceptionally weak-ass weapons at point-blank ranges.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I think the problem with the Insurrection battle was that it looks like the effects department either ran out of money or ran out of time...or both. Some shots look VERY unfinished (the collector deployment for one) and I'm almost certain that the bit at the end with Picard inside the collector was meant to actually have the blue screen replaced with something...anything would have done. That whole sequence was just stale.
Mind you that movie had plenty of problems, even without the dodgy effects.
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
All I have to say is that if any of the NG characters come back in this, I hope to Kahless that its a good movie, they leave Raindata out.
"Yes I am a good driver, good driver. Captain Picard lets me drive the shuttle in the holo suite because I am a good driver, yes I am."
:{)
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
Well I hope they they leave out the manual phalic control in the next one.
:{)
quote:Originally posted by Nim': And the god-awful ship battle with E-E going in 50mph straight forward, and two crustacean warships pursuing in 50mph. Firing and returning fire, you know, whenever they feel like it.
Enterprise vs Reliant was two times better.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
If the manual control was like that of the NX-01 it would have (mabye) worked. The Radio Shack joystick was assinine.
It would have been FAR better to have just has Riker at the touchpad controls for helm.
Posted by thesonofodin (Member # 1025) on :
I think the Trek franchise should take a break for 5 years to build up the hype, and come back stronger. And get rid of B&B, they are show killers.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Standard "Yeah, the rapid collapse of TNG after season two should have clued everyone in" response.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Exactly. Berman in particular is villified as worthlesss when we'd have all likely lost intrest in Roddenberry's version of TNG after another season of such nuggetts as season one produced.
Hate him or not, TNG would not have become as good as it was without him.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
But, is too much a good thing? He may have done a good job ONCE but after more than a decade, his "work" has become stale, trite and uninteresting. Manny Cotto has breathed new life into the "franchise" (I hate that word) and now they are pulling the plug. Maybe Bermaga didn't like the attention that Cotto was getting!?!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Yes. Yes, it is a forced conspiracy you are on top of it.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
He's also on to the lizzard men from the earth's hollow center and their plans for...well, you'll find out soon though.
As you dont have a tinfoil thought-deflector beanie.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
We've been through this every time. Berman and Braga have contributed some of the best Trek out there. They've also contributed some of the worst Trek out there. Fan favorites like Piller and Moore have contributed some of the best Trek out there. They've also contributed some of the worst Trek out there. No person is going to be perfect.
However, the point Andrew made about length of tenure is an excellent point, in my opinion. When you're in charge of something for so long, I think one's judgement is going to become clouded and disconnected from the reality of the what needs to be done. We saw this once with Roddenberry, since we usually agree that the later Trek he was in charge of (like The Motion Picture and early The Next Generation) was not that good. The same, I think, can be said about Berman's leadership. The Next Generation and First Contact were pretty good. Early Voyager and early Enterprise I found to be pretty good. Later Voyager, the last couple The Next Generation movies, and middle Enterprise became hit or miss. Coto has made this last season of Enterprise pretty good.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The good points are lost in amoungst the conspiracy and out and out wrongness. Someone here (who should have known better) said last week that "Voyager was good for the first couple of seasons, and then Braga stuck his head in and ruined it", ignoring that Braga was pretty much there from the beginning.
Likewise Andrew's point about length of tenure is mixed up with "Maybe BerSUCKA cancelled Enterprise because Cotto was really popular and they HATED it!" So, no.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Sometimes you just gotta separate the wheat from the chaff. And then you got to just ignore the chaff because it has been debated ad nauseum for the better part of ten years now.
I'm in no means supporting the conspiracies and a lot of nonsense that gets spouted out about Berman and Braga being the joint anti-Christ who's out to kick out kittens and eat little puppies. But I think there is support for the idea that Berman and Braga have been at the reigns of Star Trek too long. Unfortunately, the subject of their tenure seems to degrade into a flame war within about fifteen posts, making such discussions about as relevant as your typical political thread.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Well, if you will vote Republican...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Yes. Yes, it is a forced conspiracy you are on top of it.
Your sarcasm is uncannily refreshing.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Likewise Andrew's point about length of tenure is mixed up with "Maybe BerSUCKA cancelled Enterprise because Cotto was really popular and they HATED it!" So, no.
Give me SOME points Liam!
*sigh* lack of smiley strikes again - the comment is an absurd one - maybe it wasn't CLEAR enough. I stand by my 'length of tenure' comment as Siegfried so nicely put it.
What I WILL say about the Cotto v Bermaga thing is that - well - although they DID start the series, the current people in charge should have been allowed to finish the season themselves.
I mean Braga and Moore didn't write Encounter at Farpoint but did a fantastic job with "All Good Things..."
Indeed it's not all 'bad Braga' or 'Bloody Berman'. I don't like seeing Berman though, still, trying to put a good wrap on Nemesis when it just didn't (ok it wasn't a woeful film), just didn't meet the standard of what went before.
People were calling for 'new blood' Cotto brought it - it's a shame that NOW of all times they had to pull the plug.
Is the saying "It has better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all" deemed appropriate here? At least we GOT a season of Cotto and cool Enterprise stories, than having the series finish with, say season 2.
Andrew
P.S. Sol, TSN, Liam - you have to understand that my posts aren't always serious, I mostly like to have FUN posting on this board. So read between the lines (not all the time) when I post something.
Andrew
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Then make sure there is actually something between them next time.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
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